The suborning of American intelligence

Suffolkbor

I would personally have more faith in the Womens Institute Of Great Britain to defend the West against Islamic Jihad .

Now there are some fine ladies who can smell bullshit / taquiya/from 20,000 leagues under the sea .

They gave Tony Blair a rough ride some years back did they not ?

Edward McLaughlin

The problem is that, the more effective our intelligence services are in foiling terrorist plots, the more convinced our public - and our myopic media - become, that we are worrying unecessarily; that there is in fact no threat.

C. Gee

The intelligence agencies are borrowing the Arab view of reality: facts are in the speaking thereof.
Just as the Arabs can turn a defeat into a "victory" if it is not an immediate rout, so the intelligence wallahs can make a partnership out of enemy infiltration. They "know" that Islam is a religion of peace, and that "the vast majority of Muslims are moderate."

Every FBI agent now has to declare, after the oath of office:
"There is no Islam but peaceful Islam, and the moderate Muslim is its spokesperson."

Darwin Akbar

Unfortunately, the only institution that the CIA is capable of undermining is the American security appartus.

YA

To enter Al-Qaida, the "candidate" must present a documentally verifiable proof of loyalty to the cause, and that's more serious stuff than citing Koran. In the West, such "proof" should mean life in prison, as minimum. So, -there are no double agents. Now even CIA knows that.

Separation, siege, technical intelligence, robotic warfare, spec-ops raids.

Global Gaza (even if it metastasizes to Luton and Manchester). Anything less won't suffice.

St Bruno

Being a grumpy old sod, and a silver surfer (patronising bast’’rds) I feel I am well qualified to say: I don’t believe it! Well, I do of course, I do really.

I would point readers of the blogg to my other posts on this truly wonderful rag but, for some reason, maybe bad spelling or grammar, they have not been posted (or the use of passive voice) I wonder why?

More to the point look at this monster of a palace of diversity and enrichment, coming to a town near you soon,. I want to see one on the Sandringham Estate. I don’t stand up for a Judge I only stand up for allah! Contempt of court or what?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=426369300563&ref=mf

Raymond in DC

It reminds us of that routine where someone is trying to present a painful truth to another who chooses not to hear. "I'm not listening," he insists. The first persists, the second puts his hands over his ears, singing "La la la, I'm not listening."

Sun Tzu writes, "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

Where radical Islam is concerned, those who we in the West count on to protect us would just rather not know that enemy.

John

Odd, Mel, that you should quote that Washington Post piece. The main point of it is to say not (as you appear to be suggesting) that the CIA is finding it hard to do its job and is putting its people in danger because of infiltration by Islamists and a misunderstanding of the Islamic world, but rather because they are no longer being used as an intelligence and counter-intelligence agency but increasingly as a paramilitary support group. A huge number of new recruits, quickly trained and with little experience are sent off to do what was traditionally a military intelligence role in support of the armed forces. That's a result of the US starting ill-conceived and unwinnable wars in two countries in particular. But you support both those wars. The CIA men died in Afghanistan because they were ill-equipped and in a place they had no business (or training) to be.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

The UK government and the police use them as advisers on combating Islamic extremism, this is wrong why anyone would hire member of Islamic brotherhood to do a sensitive job like this? the government is putting our life and our human rights in danger,
hiring muslim extremists is like hiring a Taliban men

elixelx

Bruno: You write, quoting a dead Chinese cliche merchant: "If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
So what happens if NEITHER OF THE COMBATANTS knows either himself or the enemy?
You assume that C21st. "intelligencers" can really "know" the enemy, or they "know" us, in this global battle. The truth is that the enemy in this case is not only ignorant, stupid and maladroit, he is also in a mindset which is opaque.
You don't need a mind for philosophy to hack off heads, as you don't need a mind to hack off the heads of head hackers!
The Spanish discovered this to their cost. No amount of talking schmoozing, allying, imitating accepting or bribing could change the fact that ISLAM DEMANDS SUBMISSION! And got it for 800 years! It took the force of relentless arms, no thought, no philosophy, no quarter, to throw the Islamists off the Peninsula!
Let me close with a combative quote from a philosopher for the perplexed, Maimonedes. "If I knew him, I would BE him!" He might have added "...but who wants to be HIM?"

Rachael

The UK and US ‘security services’ are now hell-bent on appeasement to the extent that they seem to have made themselves wilfully blind to concepts such as taqiyya, the Islamic doctrine of deceit to advance the global reign of Islam.

As these insiders demonstrate, this is an institutional failing.

Even if officers can see what’s going on, there’s precious little they can do about it.

Once you’ve got the veneer of being a respectable Muslim group, you are treated like royalty.

Oh, well, makes good practise for the Caliphate.

On your knees, folks.

Highlander

Melanie - the PJTV interviewer is Bill Whittle. If you haven't read any of his essays on the net, you should. He's very much worth the read.

Dixon

Did Sun Tsu actually win any battles?

That said, and notwithstanding Elixkls comment which I also agree with, I think the problem is indeed failure to aknowledge truths about the enemy.

Of course, most people not in government organisations can see these truths about the enemy for themselves. Increasingly, from personal experience in their home-town. The problem then is the disconnect between our public and our elites.

Rachael

John (January 15th, 2010 6:39am)

“Odd, Mel, that you should quote that Washington Post piece. The main point of it is to say not (as you appear to be suggesting) that the CIA is finding it hard to do its job and is putting its people in danger because of infiltration by Islamists and a misunderstanding of the Islamic world, but rather because they are no longer being used as an intelligence and counter-intelligence agency but increasingly as a paramilitary support group.”

These seven officers were blown up on their base by a traitor. Traitors are entirely the business of intelligence (or in this case the lack thereof). So how is Melanie Phillips wrong?

You go on: “That's a result of the US starting ill-conceived and unwinnable wars”

Here's who started it, chum: “Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.”

“The CIA men died in Afghanistan because they were ill-equipped and in a place they had no business (or training) to be.”

The CIA men had every damn business trying to stop terrorists from planning another 9/11 from Afghanistan.

Frank P

Highlander

Just to add to Bill Whittle's credentials, I think this exchange between Bill and a commenter about the AGW debate shows the mettle of the man:

http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/2009/12/01/ikes-response-to-climategate/

David Thompson (always a shrewdy) also makes a very good comment - at No.22 of he comments of that link)

Sadly, the phenomenon of weakened and infiltrated police and security services has been present in the UK for many years (under both political stripes, I would add); hence the slide into our current parlous state of law enforcement and the bewildering antics of the Funnies. We need more whistle-blowers over here, but with the Stasi in control it's a dicey business. Moreover, the Constabulary has been stuffed with the product of the Bramshill Brainwasher and MI with the leftovers of Academia and the MSM who fancy the sideline in their travels, and more latterly from the 'moderate' Muslim sector(ostensibly to create inroads into AQ) - Ha! to both the 'moderate' coupling of that phrase and the purported direction of the 'inroads'). We are by now pretty well fucked, I'm afraid. But if there is an awakening States-side, maybe the 'sleeping tiger' will be prodded into a snarl again - vide Pearl Harbour. Wouldn't bet my hovel on it, though. It may need a bloody revolution now and though I'm not sure that the complacency that blankets the West is fireproof - it is certainly heavy and saturated with a powerful sedative, apparently.

Sam ARMSTRONG

And of course if the US and UK are courting radical Islam, then you can bet your bottom dollar that Australia, NZ and Canada will follow suit if they aren't already (we all know that Canada is gaga).

Goodbye Western World.

Augustus

The Muslim Brotherhood's ultimate purpose is, in its own words, charged with:
"eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within
and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers..."
Their objectives coincide exactly with those of al Qaeda
and every other Islamic jihad organization in the world today:
Re-establishment of the caliphate and imposition of sharia over the entire world.

President Obama's counter terrorism policies are not only
ineffectual, they are in many respects designed to be that way. That is basically because of the infiltration and influence that the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) holds, and by turning the true purpose of jihad in the Administration's eyes into a holy struggle merely for a moral goal, and any related terror to be regarded as only occasional man-made disasters, dealt with only as one would deal with any other civilian misdemeanors. True Islamic jihad
either doesn't exist, or it's a
legal problem for the courts. According to some sources CAIR's penetration of Capitol Hill, and inside law enforcement and congressional offices is rife. America must act and prove itself capable of
appointing and electing officials to its top security ranks who both understand and reject the influence of Islamic jihadi groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, or else it will become incapable of effective defence, and jihad by stealth will be the inevitable result, with the certain demise of liberal democracy in the America of tomorrow.

just Louise

Meanwhile (as I tried posting more fully this morning) the hideous Brown government is bringing the equally hideous MCB in from the cold (see the "Jewish Chronicle" website).

Derek BLADES

I see that Augustus is backing a new conspiracy theory - infiltration of Capitol Hill by the Council on American-Islamic Relations. If he wishes I could point him to any number of websites that believe Michael Jackson's death was a stunt or that Jack Kennedy was killed by the CIA. The world is full of whackos.

Unlike Augustus, President Obama understands the fundamental truth about Islamic terror groups. They are to a large extent motivated by the West's shameful support of Israeli aggression against Arabs. Solve that problem and Augustus could stop hunting for non-existent conspiracies.

Gary Wintle

Fact is, the CIA serves Corporate America, not America. It has always been a corporate shill. It has never defended the American people, and has profited from the drugs trade.

Iran would be a democracy if the CIA had not instigated the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.

In the Wilderness in America

Augustus

You are perfectly correct about the Congress appointing and the people electing those in command of the CIA and FBI who understand the Islamic jihadist threat. The only problem is that when you have an administration that has banned "terrorist" and "war on terror",then you are not putting a name on the enemy and that enemy then recedes into the background. The latest insane report of some 84 pages from the Army on the Fort Hood massacre, for example, did not once use the phrase Islamist terror.

But, Augustus, your point is well taken. The American people have to rise up and defeat the loons in Congress who have consorted with terrorist groups like CAIR. My feeling, though, is that the system is so infiltrated, and the unrealistic attitude about the "peaceful religion of Islam" so pervasisve that we are heading for a catastrophe.

C. Gee

Derek BLADES:
You say:
"President Obama understands the fundamental truth about Islamic terror groups. They are to a large extent motivated by the West's shameful support of Israeli aggression against Arabs."

This is a "fundamental truth"?

The presence of the infidels on holy Islamic land, Saudi Arabia, which was cleared of Jews by Mohammed and his successors long before the Saud family was presented with the kingdom by the West, was a grievance articulated early on by Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders. Later, they added the Palestinians' grievance against Israeli "colonialism", knowing it would gain them some sympathy from the mostly leftist anti-Israel/pro-Arab factions in the West, and help them recruit Western or educated Muslims who might need a "human rights" justification in addition to religious fervor to join the cause. (The ACLU "anti-colonialist" defense sounds good for their day in court.) But, make no mistake, the cause is a religious one. Jews - whatever pre-Islamic conquest claims they have to Israel - are on holy Islamic soil, which extends beyond Mecca and the Arabian peninsula to any land conquered by Islam at any time. Islamists do not give a stuff about aggression against Arabs (or Muslims of their own or other sects). Islamic terrorists - Hamas - despise the PLO and its ostensible ambition to set up a secular (socialist) Arab state. Arab secular states, or insufficiently Islamic states are also enemies. Hamas wants the land for Islam. Hizzbollah wants Lebanon and Israel for Islam. Iran funds terrorism to spread Islam. Political Islam is indifferent to state boundaries and ethnicity and terrorists acting in its name are indifferent to the nationality or ethnicity of those they murder.

Arab states, in the cause of their own national ambitions were the aggressors against Israel in 1948. Britain (part of the West) connived at it. Arab nationalism then was a useful stalking horse for Arab Islamists (the Mufti of Jerusalem), but is now its target. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria (all Arab states set up by the West, all enemies of Israel) are more afraid of Islam than Israel.

So what is "shameful" about the West's (belated, wavering and grudging) support of Israel's self-defense against Islamic imperialism?

The "fundamental truth" about Islamic terrorists is that they are motivated by Islam, which gives them better authority to erase Israel - or any state - than championing Arab refugees displaced in by wars waged by Arabs. Islam also stirs the heart and soul of the Islamic terrorist far more successfully than the "plight" of the Palestinians who are despised by their fellow-Arabs, and who, as eternal wards of the West, are richer and enjoy more civil rights than many devout Muslims in and out of the Middle East.

Beer Moth

Derek Blades

These here whackos who believe Michael Jackson's death was a stunt: do they all recognise and hold to a central text which insists that all people outside their belief system are to be thought of as animals? Further that there can be no peace until the whole world is brought to their heel?

John Birch

Augustus: Based on your post can I assume you oppose the escalation of drone attacks in Pakistan against al-Qaeda that have occurred in Pakistan under Obama? Was that policy designed by the Muslim Brotherhood? I guess the terrorism arrests and convictions in the UK and the US are further evidence of how well the plans of the Muslim Brotherhood are proceeding.

Augustus

@ C.Gee - Well posted my friend!
You are spot on.

@ John Birch - No, I don't oppose the drone campaign, and I'd like to think that, because of their video technology they are making it easier to kill the enemy and less civilians, but as the militants live among the population and don't wear uniforms, they will have every incentive to claim that all casualties are civilians. But if it proves successful in sorting the bad guys from the good, I don't oppose it. BTW I never said that all CIA policy was designed by the MB. What I said was that US national security policy is to a quite astonishing and dangerous degree being formulated under their influence. The question is
how great is that influence, and how close the relationship between CAIR, the MB, and the Obama Administration? After all, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano seems to have a very
strange view of who or what the
enemy is. They are either oblivious, or deliberately refusing to acknowledge, the whole threat of Islamic doctrine and law.

Dixon

C.Gee, regarding Derek Blades comment, you point out that AL Q intitially cited US boots on Saudi soil as their very narrow grievance, expanding it later to include support for Israel. But we should also remember that AL Q has now added to their expanding self-appointed remit the recovery of Al Andalus. They have made several statements in which it has been stated that, in effect, their struggle will not end until Spain is not merely an Islamic state ( as, in time, it will in any case like the rest of Europe be, simply down to demographics ) but part of a new Caliphate.

In fact, they know they are making demands that are impossible to satisfy: stop supporting Israel, but also give us Spain! Its as though they want to be doubly certain that noone can claim they havent made the underlying message clear. That is, that nothing we ever do will make them choose to end their war against us.

Al Q must find it hilarious that their "useful idiots" like Blades cannot understand this even when it is so clearly spelled out to them. Such turkeys really do celebrate the coming of Christmas!

In the Wilderness in America

Augustus: "What I said was that US national security policy is to a quite astonishing and dangerous degree being formulated under their [Muslim Brotherhood]influence. The question is how great is that influence, and how close the relationship between CAIR, the MB, and the Obama administration?"

Ay, that's the rub, isn't it? Their influence manifests itself in changes to profiling, rules of engagement, the priority of diversitry over safety, to name a few psychological attitudes that have made Americans less safe. A few of these contributed to the Fort Hood massacre.

When, the Obama administration doesn't even address the fact that they contributed, you know that the mind-set of the movers and shakers has been compromised.

Carl

"intel-gathering assignment" - What are they picking up microchips now? I suspect you mean "intelligence".

Frank P

For those seriously interested in the evolution of the communist threat and the implications of its generally perceived implosion in 1991, a serious piece by Jason McNew, published on American Thinker blog on January 16th, will interest them:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/did_communism_fake_its_own_dea.html

The major problem posed by the complexities of the eternal struggle against the modern American hegemony by varied inimical, sometimes-conflated - sometimes-disparate, interests, is that there are a very limited number of objective analysts in the West capable of visualizing the complete picture, synthesizing it and then describing it for public consumption.

The phenomenon also requires eternal vigilance as the enemies and the threats are constantly adapted in the face of counter measures by Western intelligence, which itself is constantly subject to partisan political interference, sloppiness and infiltration.

Moreover, the ‘free world’ abuses its own freedoms with gay abandon and for the sake of expediency and with craven stupidity, holds out its hand in friendship and smiles benignly on those who not only wish to undermine Western power, but kill those who oppose them, in order to replace it with their own ideologies - each thinking that their own will prevail in the end albeit forming unholy alliances for the time being.

It’s a wicked old world and unless more of us make an effort to understand our enemies – as enemies, rather than as potential friends if we stop provoking them - we will be annihilated.

A few posters here don’t seem to realize that the posited ‘grievances’ of the various inimical forces are a just a ploy in the eternal struggle and adaptable by the second. Or perhaps they do realize it - and are part of the problem?

Anyway, Jason McNew seems to have pulled some good shit together and deserves your attention for doing it, as do his links in the essay.

Melanie's dissemination of well analysed intelligence relating to the various enemy alliances and subversions, has been a very valuable contribution to enlightening those with receptive ears and eyes to the cultural dangers that we face. Long may she continue! Those who constantly attack her know much her enlightening essays damage the efforts of those who would undermine Anglospheric and Israel interests.

Emmanuella Marques

When I see muslim group holding posters saying muslims are going to dominate the world I just think this is crazy they can't even dominate peacefully 1 country so how they are going to dominate the world?
Derek BLADES if you are intelligent and educated man you will know by this time the reason why so many muslim countries are having problems is not because of the west or Israel, the west and Israel are not even present some of those countries where there is poverty and wars, in the west I mean Europe and North America many muslim people are respected more then they are respected in their own countries we help them give them aid, donations, education, health care, security, equality, what they do give us?

Jack R

Just as there is dangerous Islamic infiltration in US government, so too, no doubt, a similar phenomenon exists with the UK government.

Neither government has a real understanding of Islam's supremacist intent through such bodies as the Muslim Brotherhood and Hizb ut-Tahrir, and so the Islamic infiltration continues.

Elise

We in the US know we are on our own. When the CIA came out with that stupidity that Iran wasn't trying to build a nuclear bomb, you know that they are either politicized and wanting to harm the present US gov't or even worse, down right stupid. Heck its why the world turns to Israel and at times to England to verify their intel not the US.

Derek BLADES

Dixon (17 January) displayed his customary sparkling wit in calling me a "useful idiot".

Anyone who does not understand that America's support for Israel's war on its Arab neighbours is a cause of the Moslem world's antipathy towards America and its allies is not even a useful idiot. "Plain potty" better describes them.

Original Tony

Don't you people smell a rat?

Radicals can do what they want, a panty bomber is escorted onto a plane even though he had been turned in by daddy, the nutter who shot the soldiers was being watched and a dozen or more nutters got in planes and buses and trains and did horrible things to people and our agencies that work WITH the muslim brotherhood are not informed of these atrocities in advance?

Wake up and smell the roses, terrorism is being used by a body of people far more sinister than AlQ to bring in control of your life and my life. That is the true goal of all of this nonsense and when the true aim, our enslavement to a paternal, elite, dictatorial rulership has been achieved, the terrorists and their ilk will be wiped out.

Wait and see! Watch details from carbon footprint stats be used against us. Watch cash disappear soon.

Tom the Redhunter

"People in America are often shocked to discover the extent to which the authorities in Britain have been taken in by the Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood"

Actually, I doubt most people know who the Muslim Brotherhood are. Perhaps the biggest failure of the Bush Administration was a failure to educate people about the Jihadist threat. Unless you read Walid Phares, Steve Emerson, or a handful of others, you'd never know. The papers certainly won't tell you.

More people have figured out that CAIR is a front for Jihadist groups, but unfortunately most in the MSM still treat them as a civil rights organization.

Derek BLADES sounds like one who doesn't get it. The current Jihad is the resumption of their thousand-plus war against the infidels. Israel is only a propaganda tool they use to gather up recruits. As such, "useful idiot" fits him just right.

John.

In the meantime Muslims and everyone else are treated with equal suspicion in airports - elderly native British grandmothers get the same treatment as they do, for instance. Isn't it time that religion and ethnic origin were made to be compulsory items in the personal descriptions in passports? Naturally there will be the usual outcry from the left and from Muslim organisations about discrimination. In this case the discrimination is fully justified. The airport staff need to know on whom to concentrate their attention for all our sakes. Who is going to blow us all sky high if not Muslim fundamentalists and who can tell the difference between a Muslim fundamentalist and a less than fundamentalist Muslim? And in the same vein, how wise is it to employ Muslims in airports, railway, bus and tube companies and in ferry ports and ships, in the armed forces and even in ordinary schools and in universities? Once another successful terrorist outrage takes place in one of these places or organisations everyone will say, "why was nothing done to prevent it". Unfortunately because of political correctness and fear of offense being caused hundreds, even thousands of lives are being risked daily because no such discrimination is countenanced.
To change the subject - what right do the Muslims have to claim Spain, a Christian country almost entirely overrun by the Muslims from 711 onwards, and slowly regained by the Christians over the succeeding centuries. It was never theirs by right and the Spaniards would be mad to credit the Muslims with any rights whatsoever over their country. Every inch given to the Muslims results in them taking a mile.

catesby

@ Derek Blades

Anyone who does not understand that America's support for Israel's war on its Arab neighbours is a cause of the Moslem world's antipathy towards America and its allies is not even a useful idiot. "Plain potty" better describes them.

Care to explain how US support for Israel accounts for Islamist attacks on the people of Bali, the Philippines, Casablanca, Kenya or Spain?

Liz

Derek BLADES (sic) "They are to a large extent motivated by the West's shameful support of Israeli aggression against Arabs."
I would suggest, Sir, that the only thing shameful here is that comment. Please do yourself a favour and study modern middle east history - starting with the Balfour Declaration. Perhaps then you'll feel disinclined to spew forth this sort of 'right-on' uneducated tripe which only politically indoctrinated polytechnic lecturers and Jew-hating terrorists really believe.

Derek BLADES

catesby, January 18th, has asked me "to explain how US support for Israel accounts for Islamist attacks on the people of Bali, the Philippines, Casablanca, Kenya or Spain?"

Happy to oblige old Chap.

Bali was an attack on Australian tourists, Kenya involved blowing up the US Embassy, Madrid was revenge for Spanish support for the US war on Islam (now happily withdrawn). The people of Mindao have been fighting for an autonomous state for over fifty years and Casablanca was an attack on a repressive dictatorship.

I did not say that the Israel Palestine conflict explains every problem in the world but it clearly lies at the heart of many of them.

That is why Bin Laden, in his first cave-man speech after 9/11, listed it as his number one complaint. Infidel soldiers in Saudi Arabia came second.

Don't join the plain potty brigade, catesby. Look at the real world.

Derek BLADES

Liz, January 18 has asked me to "study modern middle east history - starting with the Balfour Declaration"

I am not sure how "modern" the Balfour declaration is, but one thing is clear. It dates from an era when the western powers believed they had the right to distribute bits of the Middle East, Africa and Asia among themselves and their chums as they thought fit.

Times have moved on Liz. I suggest you review Middle East history from 1948. You might learn something.

Adam B.

No Derek Blades, the problem lies with radical Islam. The Arab-Israel conflict is but one facet of it. You seem to be under the erroneous impression that if the Jews of Israel lay down to die then all would be well in the world - the Arab and wider Islamic worlds would become beacons of human rights, social progress and democracy.

Such is the parallel universe of Blades.

Adam B.

Sorry Blades, just realized that democracy and human rights mean squat to you, in light of your professional work for the murderous tyrannical government sitting in Beijing.

hadrian

Honestly, there never was a truer saying that there is none so blind as those who will not see! D. Blades' problem is that he cannot get the balance correct in all this. However provoking the Jewish state may be to Bin L. etc., it is lunacy to deny that there is no 'pure' 'bare' Jihadist motivation behind the terrorism and outrages. That is why these madmen turn to the sword- they folow the delusion of ALL self righteous nutcases that violence, intimidation and bloodshed are the way to advance civilisation ( in this case, the one word caliphate) and right perceived wrongs.That's why Islam is so internally strife torn, or hadn't you noticed, you dough-ball, Mr Blades? They bloe up one another in the name of their vile deity.