The thin blue line of jihad

C. Gee

-"our British values"-

What are they, when they're at home?

David

Muslims dont take responsibility for anything...everything is always everybody elses fault [ie...non muslims]

John A. Davison

We have the same problem here in the USA. Barack Hussein Obama refuses to treat captured Muslim terrorists as prisoners of war and insists on giving them civilian rights and trials in the very cities they attempted to destroy. Obama is the only truly dangerous person ever to occupy the White House. He hates Democracy in any form and has all his adult life.

Alcuin

There is a very lively discussion of this issue on Harry's Place, in which many pertinent points have been made. Melanie is right, these people are not fit to wear a police uniform.

What should happen is for any policeman expressing such views to be put formally through the discipline procedure. His supervisor should tell him in no uncertain terms that his job is to police British Law on our streets, and that further such parochial activity is incompatible with his further employment.

Frank P

The only thing that surprises me is that you seem surprised, Melanie. And there are those who want Police Chiefs to be elected.Who will stand and by whom will they be elected, I wonder?

From the day that Police Chiefs, presumably under the dictate of the Home Secretary, allowed two extreme political associations to be officially permitted inside HM Constabularies: The National Black Police Association (NBPA) and Lesbian and Gay Police Association (LAGPA) – both militant and predominately left wing bodies; it was inevitable that the next stage would be a National Association of Muslim Police.

I can confirm that this policy flies in the face of all previous practice in British policing which traditionally was apolitical, with officers banned from political membership of political parties or militant factional groups.

Gramsci's methodology of infiltration and defeat of the Western hegemony from within its own institutions has been adopted by militant Islam's chief propagandist Yusuf al Quarawadi. As with Gramsci and the Left - so with Qarawadi and Islam.

The Left and Islam are an unholy alliance, each treating the other as ‘useful idiots’ and each believing that in time the other will submit to their ideology/religion when Comintern is established/The Caliphate restored.

The stranglehold of these insidious groups inside the police services of the UK represents the final nail in the coffin of traditional policing in this country. The populace is being betrayed by its own government and by a very sizable percentage of the Quislings that make up the electorate.

Those within the police who disagree with the aims and objectives of these groups are not allowed to express dissent; on the contrary, they are specifically debarred from so doing on threat of discipline proceedings or even prosecution ‘hate crimes’.

Ergo, we no longer have a police force that can possibly be wholly effective against terrorism; the ultimate subjugation of Britain to Sharia Law and demographic annihilation of the indigenous Judeo/Christian traditions is also now inevitable. The transformation is taking place at breakneck speed, aided and abetted by those who run this magazine. Both Question Time and This Week tonight provided political bellwethers on just how far down the road we have travelled already.

The nation has been stripped of common sense and patriotism. It does not deserve to survive. And the erstwhile credentials of this magazine, as the voice of traditional conservatism, are now worthless.

Roy

Excuse me! Am I hearing correctly? There is actually a "Muslim Police Force" in Britain? Admittedly I'm some distance away but this isn't a mistake? I’m not dreaming, surely this can’t be right. There is a part of the police force of Britain that is Muslim controlled? This must pass the Guinness book of records for stupidity of the highest order! This takes the cake! The British people have become mesmerized; they have become as thick as two planks. They are idiots and have lost all rational behavior. I'm thinking I've heard it all, but I dare say there'll be more.

Sam Armstrong

Well said.

Nicholas Swan

This is simply incredible. They are almost actively announcing treason - and I bet your government won't do one thing about it. Nor the Tories if they gain power.

What has happened to Britain?

Taipei Exile

Absolutely obscene. We've had to endure a great deal under this government but this really takes the cake. It was bad enough when Ian Blair politicised the police service but now we have political islam attacking it from the inside too with the tacit agreement of our repugnant government. No doubt the NAMP, which shouldn't even exist, enjoys a high level of funding courtesy of you the taxpayer.

David in Canada

the National Association of Muslim Police

the what? you british have really lost your minds. there's not much to complain about when you've offered your heads on a silver platter to the islamofascists who are surely going to take over and destroy your country. you are the canary all right and your on life support, prognosis not good.

Andre

Britain has to accept it is at war with radical Islam terror. Repeat the mantra about peaceful muslims all you like the fact is we, the Christian west, are struggling with a religion that wants to destroy us. There can be no place in our armed services or police for politicized followers of that religion.

Austin Barry

An appalling situation about which our weedy, enervated ruling elite will do nothing. An elite which has been cowered into submission by our domestic suicide bomber's injunction not to "..mess wiv de mooslims".

Why don't we just haul the green flag of Islam above our institutions and get it over with now?

Taipei Exile

Surprisingly can't find any reference to this on the beeb website.

BritZek

So the inevitable result will be that police in muslim areas will be muslims and have these sort of views. So when indigenes get arrested in these areas they will have the feeling of being dealt with by an alien force. But worry not, there will be yuman rites to protect the poor dears from excessive mistreatment beyond their suspicious feelings. So they will be living under a deep gnawing sense of alienation in their own country with only pathetic foreign laws devised to avoid barabarism that we never committed - in their own country - which they will not be allowed to call so. So, remind me, what is the limit of the social contract again?

Ray

Contrast all this with the Christian Police Association, founded in 1883, whose members categorically do NOT regard themselves as a political lobby group (even though, goodness knows, of late police forces have occasionally engaged in some dubious harassment of citizens who hold Christian beliefs).

Instead, the CPA exists primarily to pray for each other, for their forces and their communities, and to offer practical support when their fellow officers are in need.

Shouldn't that be what the NAMP confines itself too instead?

Prester John

Of more interest will be to see the official (Dhimmi?) response to this threat.

In a sane country they would be given the finger, not recognised and membership made a sacking offence.

Isn't it funny though how it is a sacking offence to be a member of the BNP, an organisation that is established to protect the interests of native Britons, and yet the Police Force positively encourages the establishment of an Islamist police organisation with links to Iranian Jihadi activities.

There WILL be blood on the streets of the UK unless the government gets a grip. We are moving inexorably towards massive civil unrest - perhaps civil war - within 50 years

Harold

Just out of curiousity, is there a Jewish equivalent of the NAMP in the UK?

Bhaskar

I am afraid Melanie's analysis is simplistic. Yes, ideally the police should be politically neutral but has this ever been the case in reality? Under Thatcher the police federation, representing the rank and file police officers openly espoused a centre right agenda. The federation was contemptuous of Labour and only Tory MPs (such as Eldon Griffith) were invited to be their parliamentary advisers. As far as Melanie's assertion that the threat from the far right is limited to low level thuggery, tell that to the victims of the Soho nail bomber. Only last week a man from Yorkshire with far right connection was given a long prison sentence. Moreover, there has usually been clear links between racially motivate crimes including murder and far right activity. I would advice Melanie to subscribe to the excellent anti fascist magazine 'Searchlight' where instances of far right violence and terrorism (not low level thuggery!) is clearly highlighted.

cuffleyburgers

Granted the statement is dangerous nonsense, and I fully agree about the undesirability of "identity policing".

However you then go on to recycle all the crap about global war on terror- which is no such thing.

There are of course of number of groups of terrorists, but recent developments indicate that they are more a threat to themselves than to anybody else.

Western governments are doing Al Quaeda's work for them by hyping a low-to-medium level threat as if it were the armagheddon which it plainly isn't.

The biggest threat to western values is the behaviour and overreaction of western governments.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Roy I feel the same, Muslim Police Force in Britain?
I didn't know they had things like that but anything is possible in the Islamic republic of Great Britain, I am not surprise, Islam is taking over Britain now 25% of the population is muslims "religion of peace" and they are already creating alot of problems I wonder how this country is going to be when there is 50% muslims?

Larry

Alcuin writes:
"There is a very lively discussion of this issue on Harry's Place, in which many pertinent points have been made."

Harry'sPlace is a dhimmi PC blog. Just because they are not nearly as bad as the rest of the British Left and most UK conservatives when it comes to Islamic extremism and Israel (which let us be honest isn't saying much), doesn't mean they get it at all. They don't.

HP is living proof that there is no such thing as a decent Left left. Melanie herself has been attacked there for not being PC enough like HP. I could come up with several examples of their dhimmitude and PC moral relativism but this is just a comment on a blog and I don't want to go on forever...

HP now censors/moderates comments from anybody who criticises/shows them up on the PC moral relativist front, on the Middle-East at least.

just Louise

Wise words, Frank P (as usual!).
NuLabour banned police from being Freemasons - remember how Lab MP/minister Chris Mullin embarked on an anti-Masonic witchhunt some years ago? - yet they permit this divisive organisation?!
The Trojan Horse springs inexorably to mind.
As WSC's grandson asked not so long ago, in warning of the installation of extremist Saudi-style Muslim imams in British mosques (Call Me Dave appears to have had wax in his ears that day) "Who will save the Homeland?"

Mike

Put simply, when was the last time a member of any Far-Right group blew up some trains and a bus. The problem is with Militant Islam, full stop.

Barry Larking

The NAMP document (memorandum) delivered to Parliament is astonishing.

Serving police officers criticise British foreign policy from the perspective of their responsibilities as police officers.

"1.2: The initiative has been led from the start by issues that included International matters namely Foreign policy, yet this was largely ignored in strategic term's and was only part acknowledged after all the strategies had been devised . The impact of Foreign policy is still not really addressed neither are grievances nor the sense of duplicity and double standards."

And again, elsewhere in the Memorandum:

"Our foreign policy appears to be based on established pressure groups and some would say double standards i.e. Israel's breach of countless United Nations resolutions along with its possession of Nuclear Weapons shows a lack of honest brokering by key players including the UK as all have failed to take any action here but this is contrasted with similar occurrences elsewhere. There appears to be in consistency in our approach to matters such as the lack of any real actions in Gaza in comparison to our rapid action in Iraq and Afghanistan."

This from serving police officers! It is quite literally jaw dropping.

If this is the result of recruiting from ethnic minorities then the policy is deeply flawed.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmcomloc/memo/previoex/m7102.htm

Derek Pasquill

These people are not fit to wear a police officer's uniform, neither is this Government fit for purpose.

Liz

If this is true, it's tantamount to national suicide. Absolutely appalling to read that England is throwing away its national interests in a frenzy of, what can only be termed post-colonial guilt. There will be civil unrest - it's only a matter of time. Of course, whether or not the police force will be able (or willing) to contain it is another matter. Is Melanie really the only person in England with the vision to see where all this is leading?????

James Murphy

Sack them. simple.

BritZek

Cuffeyburger - stop it with the 'move along nothing to see here' line. Those of who disagree with you have more brains than you credit us with. There is a tension of course in the use of terror from the islamist point of view in that it could radically galvanise the target/enemy (us -the people NOT mainstream politiicans) before we are beaten. They rely largely on the fact that the first reponse to any violent attack (even of the size of London or Madrid) is restraint - we don't call 'youth' mobs out on the streets to threaten muslims in a mirror image of the cartoon riots. They know that. But a bit of infidel slaughter can be used from time to time and the threat of it on a mass level must give them a feeling of power which they must find satisfying and nourishing. It is of course possible that this controlled strategy could at some point be upset by some group going off message and seriously threatening or even hitting us with a weapon of mass destruction. This is a real threat in the coming years. The tension is that the real stategy is demographic/immigration and political encroachment (like this police issue)and violence can be counter productiive to this end - hence its usual low level, but this is no comfort to the hundreds still suffering after 7/7. One commentator very usefully points that the left-islamst 'alliance' each think they can neutralise the other after the 'right' (you and your children's birthright) has been finished off. Both must be defeated.

Ken

"The biggest threat to western values is the behaviour and overreaction of western governments." No CuffleyB. I strongly disagree.

The biggest threat to western values is the crawling and cowardly, Marxist-espoused appeasement of Islamist infiltration.

Its war indeed, a battle of attrition and we'd better win.

Noah Aaron Bashi

Fire them, and don't ever rehire them again

Graham Howells

This police organisation is rather reminiscent of what I think was called the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League (championed by F. Sinatra among others) that claimed there was no link between Italian origin and the Mafia.

John A. Davison

Obama and Brown are both in congenital, ultra-liberal denial. They deserve and admire one another. Fortunately, each is doing himself in. I say - leave them alone.

"Never attempt to murder a man when he is attempting suicide."
Woodrow Wilson

Bill

These people may be police officers, but they are Muslims first. We must accept that Islam is a supremacist, totalitarian, and violent ideology that, when push comes to shove as it appears to be now, brooks none who do not submit . In the situation that has now come to pass in Britain today, either Islam has no place here, or the rest of us don't. And we all know it. Say it.

Frank P

Graham Howells

Yes, it was organised by Joe Colombo; didn't do him much good though when he upset Joey Gallo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Colombo

Mind you Joey didn't fare much better - eventually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Gallo

Such is the way of the world. Hubris and Nemesis.

Come the counter-counter revolution ....

We can only hope?

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

We must also have BASH (British Associatiion of Sex Offenders and Murderers).

Frank P

Btw; there was trial going on last week of a senior Muslim Police Officer with some rather hubristic characteristics. Why has it fallen off the MSM's coverage? Anybody know how the trial is going? Naughty me! Sorry, I suppose I shouldn't be drawing attention to such peccadilloes , it might upset 'moderate' Muslims as I'm sure the NAMPOs would agree.

FMOBB!

GaryO

One-step closer to full islamisation.

What is absolutely ridiculous is that this government and politicians of all shades, and not just in Britain but in the whole of Europe and the MSM also have bent over backwards to do their utmost to appease, tolerate and even encourage islam among our midst. There is no doubt in my mind that Islam as a faith and muslims as its adherents demand and are granted favourable treatment, even to the detriment to other faiths, norms and long standing customs of our countries.

And they wonder why some of us vote BNP!

Neil Craig

I regret to say Melanie is entirely right on all points here.

Nick

Margaret Muller-Johansson is being rather careless with her use of statistics. One suspects that she did, in fact, simply make the numbers up.

The 2001 census data reveals that Muslims make up 2.8% of the UK population.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=954

Perhaps she'd like to reveal her source for the '25%' figure?

Michael White

There really is no need to be so concerned. Within a century or two Islam will be the only religion anyway - simply owing to everyone else being out-bred.

blue_&_white_avenger

Our government seems completely unaware of what's going on. Here's GB, our prime-minister the other day describing a country as: "an incubator and potential safe haven for terrorists".
He actually thinks he's talking about Yemen (& has therefore acted to curtail air traffic between Britain & Yemen).
In actuality, Britain fits the bill perfectly.

Suffolkbor

Sheikh Omar Bakri warned of this situation a few years back when he said that the British government were making a mistake in recruiting Muslims into the Police and goverment departments .

They will turn against you he said .

Prescient chappie wasn,t he?

There has been a trend recently of Muslims in the media to keep mentioning "Our British Values".
As they grow ever more confident they appear to be hijacking the public forum as to what constitutes our values which are entirely based on their own version of it, of course .

Oflife

Not quite related to this column, but note that within...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8475053.stm

... it says "A press officer said the men had been offered assistance by consular staff on the island."

Assistance?

What exactly does that mean? Are these men victims or criminals?

-Ed.

Well, at least the foxes won't be harmed.

dominic lennon

Spot on Mel. No more black, gay, Muslim special interest groups in our police. Just police adhering to the law of the land. And sack those who object.

Linda Smith

Is there a news blackout in the UK on the Geert Wilders trial? Seems like it. If so, why?

FedUpIndian

The solution is obvious - GB should extend dhimmi status to all Muslims living in GB, with all the protections and obligations that dhimmitude entails. And any violation of the law by Muslims should be dealt with as prescribed by sharia law for dhimmis.

Dixon

I think their makimg this statement is a good thing. It exposes their true stripe. I am loathe to bring up that tedious qoute-engine Sun Tzu except here with a tint of irony: if you cannot win a war without knowing your enemy, this is good, because now more people will realise that their enemy includes sections of the police force.

Moreover, we can see that those who made this statement have clearly not read the taqiyya playbook, otherwise they would not have made the statement, but kept quietly permeating the system until they had good control over it before declaring their colours. "War is deceit", said Muhamad.

The one thing they have used from the Jihad debating points theory is to keep referring to Islam as conforming more to "British values" than its criticism. This use of that phrase is now found everywhere that Islamists are active in public debate.Thursday night it was being used repeatedly by a strident young woman, a posh white convert to Islam, on Newsnight. Look out for it, we are sure going to hear a lot about "British values" from the most un-British people. Then askl yourself whether they all started using the phrase together by coincidence, or because they share a common influence. Then ask yourself whether it is healthy that that same common influence is shared by both Islamist groups like Islam4UK and a "brotherhood" within the British police?

Dixon

Are you aware also that inn Bristol Policewomen have been issued with "faith scarves" ( ie, hijab ) to be worn when visiting Muslim homes or places of worship?

logdon

So it has come to pass. A Fifth column of subversive Muslim Police Officers openly defying what is plain for all to see. Defying their remit of working for broad and inclusive British interests and subverting the messages into an Islamic correct posture.

In the interests of openness here are five links which disabuse the abuses our indigenous non Muslim citizens are by now accustomed to.

Those abuses are tantamount to discrimination against the majority, lying to that majority and covering up what is the greatest threat now facing Western civilisation.

The prospect of civil unrest grows nearer. The Islamists provoke and provoke, testing our mettle and resistance.

So far our politicians with an eye to Muslim voters have ignored these provocations and inch by inch, step by step have acquiesced in the relinquishing of our heritage, customs and above all our principle of fair and equal free speech.

Hordes of Islamist agitators can prowl our streets hurling insult and threat with impunity knowing full well that not one police officer will intervene. However when it comes to our freedom who steps up to the plate? We were intimidated into silence over a few cartoon pictures and not one mainstream publisher would dare to print or televise.

So much for our vaunted democratic ideals. Pummelled into submission by a toxic mix of political correctness and political expediency.

It cannot go on. It will not go on and as more and more awaken to the fact that these immigrants place their religion above all else including allegiance to the state they or their forebears took as their dwelling place we are witnessing the emergence of resistance.

The comment pages are on fire. Frustration and despair is morphing into a verbal challenge.

We, quite simply have had enough.

youtube.com/watch?v=EAXhLxxsKHI&feature=player_embedded#

youtube.com/watch?v=det7TUsLy8U&feature=related

youtube.com/watch?v=FtO5Zo9grz4

Frank P

A glimpse of the day after tomorrow:

Engerland swings like a pendulum do;
Bobbies with scimitars two by two;
Westminster Mosque and the Muezzin's call;
Infidels stood 'gainst the firing squad wall.

(Apologies to R Miller, esq.).

Suffolkbor

I wonder how long it will be before Muslim leaders in Britain start agitating to have their own religious police to patrol "Their"areas to reinforce Islamic propriety?

I am sure that they would be readily accommodated by our slimy elite under the strict proviso that non Muslims were to be exempt from their ministrations .

That is, of course until Indigenous British people and other British citizens were brought to heel beneath the Islamist boot and the powers that be would then whistle dixie and look the other way ,
all in the interests of social cohesion and the substantial Muslim block vote .

I would suggest a trial run for this , preferably in one of the wealthy London boroughs choc full of left /liberal media types.

It would be rather enjoyable to watch the camillas and Poppies receive a bamboo stinger across the back of their Kaiser Bondi stockinged legs for displaying immodesty in public.

vanderleun

Think about the implied overlap between NAMP and Jihdists in Britain. If Britons do not purge these people from their police force, these people will purge Britons.

YA

Geert Wilders' speech in court:

http://europenews.dk/en/node/29245

Geert only mentions two simple points:

1) necessity to defend freedom
2) necessity to know truth about Islam

What an utter brilliance is this man, and what a pity that there is no such politician in the UK.

To address point 2),
he suggests to invite to the court a large group of Islamic scholars and practitioners, including.. the killer of Theo Van Gogh.

Another thing, is his seemingly innocent mantra "I have no problems with Muslims, I have problem with Islam". It seems naive but what it ultimately does - it places person's own humanity versus Koran, and suggests comparison.
This simple phrase might mean the beginning of the end of political Islam. Because - be you thirty times a Muslim Policeman, - you can't dodge the thought.

Prester John

We have lost the battle - or rather freely given it up.

A few months ago we were confronted by the "spectre" of the English Defence League. Shock, horror. English people defending their right not to be subjected to creeping Islamisation.

Now that the police have gotten around to searching for the criminals who rioted in the streets of Birmingham we see they have issued a "most wanted" list.

Funny but with the exception of one lad they all look like Islamists and UAF thugs to me.

http://bit.ly/5nvboh

Where are the headlines about them? Where the outraged politicians?

Raymond in DC

Each of our efforts at "outreach" and understanding comes at a price. Baggage handlers and airport screeners in London, Toronto and Detroit are increasingly Muslim. The US Army insists that even the Fort Hood jihadist murders (oops! can I say jihad?) can't be allowed to undermine the all-important "diversity". In the meantime, the CIA is recruiting among the Hizbullah-friendly Arabs of Dearborn, while the FBI is inviting Muslim Brotherhood linked groups to provide sensitivity training (that is, when they're not asked to review our policy toward terrorists).

Meanwhile, over at the State Department, they're extending more visas to those from "underrepresented" populations (usually Muslim), and now welcoming Tariq Ramadan (terror sympathizer and grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood) to our shores.

Clearly, there's no cure for "stupid". What it will take is a wholesale replacement of our current leadership.

D.Smith

I would not take the Muslim police missive so seriously. Naive and counter productive it certainly is. It will merely reinforce the negative view the majority have about Islam. Looked at from the viewpoint of an ordinay Muslim the situation must be quite depressing. Regarded with increasing suspicion and now not regarded by the indigenous population in the same way as Sikh, Hindu or African Christian immigrants are but as somehow alien and almost second class. Unpleasant I should think and this may have influenced the actions of the Muslim police.
So it is with the ongoing controversy over the burkha.
Why the outrage? If you wear one you become "invisible" in a society where face to face contact has always been the norm. The wearer is the one disadvantaged and excluded. Again a second class status.
All the equality laws in the world are not going to alter this. Militant Islam is not going to conquer the world. It may cause us all havoc for a while but we need to calm down and wait for the movement to pass.
However that does not mean we should make any concessions to Sharia or permit groupings like the Muslim police to exist. We are the majority and this is our way. It is the confusing signals sent by the governing classes that cause so much trouble. There is little confusion in the minds of most of us and once the militants get this into their heads I feel there will be a rapid change of attitude.

Edgar Sammon

Throw them all out, I say. Let them go to Bangladesh and Pakistan. See if anyone cares about their 'sensitivities' there.

Paul Pemberton

I think there are about 140,000 police officers in the UK.

I did a simple search to establish just
- how many these identify as 'Muslim' and
- how many members are there of the 'National Association of Muslim Police'?

From Annex 1 of the constitution and structure of the NAMP.

"Currently, the association has over 1000 members and has established branches in the following police forces:
British Transport Police
Cambridgeshire Police Service
Greater Manchester Police Service
Hertfordshire Constabulary
Metropolitan Police Service
West Midlands Police Service
Humberside Police Service

In addition to this branches are being set up in Scotland, Yorkshire, Wales, Hampshire, City of London and Avon and Somerset."

JOHN ROOSEVELT

Is it not time for the UK to take its cue from the US, yet again, and realise that the tyranny of "yes we can" "Pcdom" are numbered??

This is not about a shift back to the days of the Neo Cons or Bush or militarism per se etc..This is, rather, a call for common sense about how to deal - in the context of our reality (a challenged capitalist system etc) - with radical Islam against which - on the one hand - we are spending billions of GBP to fight and allowing our youngsters to die for - and, on the other, against which we are emasculating and diffusing the clarity of our efforts by allowing ourselves to be seduced by a dangerously confused potpourri of the values we seem to hold dear.

We are not going to achieve some Chomskian or Obamesque dream - at least in time to avoid our collective beheading at the hands of the Holy Warriors. We need to wake up to that.

Changing the system as a prerequisite to the successful fight for "survival" just wont hack it - at least, in time. Can you imagine if we listened to the Left, only, when Hitler's war was fast descending on our heads??

It's madness that we are allowing mainstream media to lead the way in absorbing and coopting the principal elements of Jihadi propaganda and shoving them down our throats constantly - the only result of which is not the vaguest hint of the furthering of the purported ideals of, say, human rights, egalite and fraternite or the rights of the downtrodden masses. It only plays into the hands of those who have realised that one great weapon against the West - is to exploit its values by pandering to them by claiming that radical Islam has consonant values to it. The Gaza war and the plight of the Gazans is a case in point. Perfect grist for the Islamist mill; and the poncey West fall the disingenuousness of the radicals every time!!!

"Give me your tired, your poor, / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free", reads Emma Lazarus's poem on the Statue of Liberty. Lazarus was a Sephardic Jew and the poem, like so much of her work, was a call to stop the persecution in Russia and elsewhere of Jews.

Makes you think, doesn't it...Plus ca change...Obama would do well to pay the Statue a visit and then huddle, once more, with his Generals...

Anth

Is there a "White Heterosexual Police Association" ? It's a rhetorical insult waiting to be hurled at this insane crazy-paved PC police force.
Excellent, timely article, Melanie. If you didn't exist, you'd have to be invented.

Harold

The real 'enemies of British society' are the workshy and bone-idle white working class, with their massive dependence on state benefits, ignorance, casual violence, fecundity and alcoholism. The Muslims, on the other hand, tend to be model citizens, hard-working and law abiding.

Dixon

"Harold
January 23rd, 2010 12:58pm
The real 'enemies of British society' are the workshy and bone-idle white working class, with their massive dependence on state benefits, ignorance, casual violence, fecundity and alcoholism. The Muslims, on the other hand, tend to be model citizens, hard-working and law abiding."

You watch too much telly Harold."Shameless" isnt meant to be taken as factual. Nor is the "news".

Dixon

"JOHN ROOSEVELT
January 23rd, 2010 12:17pm
Is it not time for the UK to take its cue from the US, yet again, and realise that the tyranny of "yes we can" "Pcdom" are numbered??"

Errr....you mean the US where the Pentagon report of the Fort Hood massacre refuses to acknowledge that the killer was even a Muslim, let alone drivenbu Jihad ideology. Or that colleagues had already reported as odd his giving Jihad lectures to his patients! Where the Pentagon insists that they "need" to increase a cvast number of Muslims. Wjere the CIA is already foing that, including, as recently shown, double-agents who wait until the time is right to kill their colleagues.

Or do you mean the US where law enforcement agencies are banned from entering or even observing mosques?

Or the US whose leader insists there is no war against us and that terrorists are just unconnected random nutters like the "youths" burning cars in Paris?

On the whole, they arent doing anything less stupid than we are.

Drakken

Everyone here is afraid to say what is on their mind,, civil war is now enevitable. The left will go willingly to the slaughter , while patriots will have to take up arms. Again the US will be the arsonnel of Democracy, and we on the other side of the pond will again come to your aid.

Sylvia Howard

Oh Harold.
For a start, unemployment if rife in the Muslim community, mainly because a high proportion cannot even speak English, owing to the fact they insist on chain migration, and some think working for the ‘unbelievers’ as a crime against Islam. So I fear your thinking is rather skewed. Nice try though.

JOHN ROOSEVELT

"JOHN ROOSEVELT
January 23rd, 2010 12:17pm
Is it not time for the UK to take its cue from the US, yet again, and realise that the tyranny of "yes we can" "Pcdom" are numbered??"

"Errr....you mean the US where the Pentagon report of the Fort Hood massacre refuses to acknowledge that the killer was even a Muslim, let alone drivenbu Jihad ideology."

Err..I think you get my point cmpletely..Err..I was referring precisely to the reaction - now - to Obama...in the hope that the Administartion may, at least, realise that it's political bread is not buttered with this crass policy of appeasement..

In short..we agree.

Lynn

The reason why there are so many internal police associations is that the Police service has historically been the preserve of heterosexual white men, who have not taken kindly to others joining their ranks. The well-documented systematic level of discrimination experienced by officers who do not fall into the aforementioned category has meant that such associations are needed to offer support and protection from such bigotry.

However, as the Muslim Association has chosen to ignore the fact that this current terror campaign has been waged solely by people claiming to hold the same religious beliefs as they do demonstrates their inability to speak impartially on the subject. If an Irish Police Association had made similar claims “that ministers were wrong to blame [Irish nationalism] for being the ‘driver’ behind recent terrorist attacks during the IRA bombing campaigns, would their views have been given any credence?

Frank P

The correlation between this post and this link needs to be made:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2010/01/the-pentagons-war-on-reason.html

It is important as similar issues discussed there could well emerge in the UK as the result of infiltration of militant Muslims into the British Police.

Augustus

Since when did the NAMP become involved in political judgements about which image of 'British values' is the correct one? Why does the Government allow police forces to ally themselves with Islamists, rather than setting a strong values-led approach of their own which the police would then have to follow?

JOHN ROOSEVELT

Why all the soul searching and debate on this?

It is all pretty simple, in my view: Britain is still reaping the whirlwind for its long history of pro Arab and pro moslem policies - since the post WW1 period. Self interest and a soupcon of romantic fascination for the flowing white robes and vast desert sands have been the lynchpins of the successive British Govts' love affair with these "brethren".

Of course, there has also - very often - been a soupcon (to put it mildly) of anti semitism characterising the Foreign Office and British politics in general. Our dear friend Aneurin Bevan seems to jump off the pages of history in this regard.

So..there we have it. Now, and for many years already, we are in our friends' firing line...and we have our knickers in a veritable twist.

Why don't the police consult gorgeous George on this, if the Egyptians don't hang him first...or a real "thinker" like Peter Osborne..though, on second thoughts, he might just claim it's all the fault of the Jewish Lobby..

Dixon

John Roosevelt, you say you were being ironic, but like a lot of commenters these days, Im afraid that the irony overlooks the fact that so many other commenters are stating literally the things that are being parodied. Im afraid you subert your own message. This I would say of your comment a bout "a real thinker like Peter Osborne". Had it not been for our earlier exchange I would take it you meant that that man was really a "real thinker". Instead of, as I think you imply, a raving "Protocols" believing nut-job!

As for the rest of your last commenmt, I can of course agree. Only this week-end on BBC2 we had another piece of romanticing tripe about that phoney T.E.Lawrence. A man who described himself, in his own words, as a "...counter jumping opportunist". It was presented by that biggest ( or smallest, if we are being physicalist about it ) Orientalist phoney of the present, Rory Stewart. A man who, briefly whilst with the British Army was given the role of regional governor, and who, on the strength of this, now refers to himself as an expert on Islamic affairs and "former diplomat". His phoneyness extends to stating on Newsnight that he "lives" in Kabul, whereas, patently, judging by the frequency of his appearances on UK television he does nothing of the kind.

However, the true measure of Rory Stewarts phoneyness is only apparent if one has watched him on TV since his earliest appearances through to the latest. When he first appeared, a handful of years ago, he was a zippy young ex-soldier. But in his latest appearances it is evident that he has studied bofy language and now affects the mannersims, both physical and vocal, of some super-annuated ancient wise-man! The really nice touch being his affectation of a stoop that is visible even when he is seated. This man is a fraud. a complete charlatan. But he says what media folk like to hear and seems to be doing very nicely out of it. His one and only message, very "deep", very "profound" is basically that "you cannot win"...in any theatre, against any foe..."You are bound to lose...and I all myself an ex-diplomat and drawl with a ridiculously posh voice, so Im therefore an expert."

I bet American useful idiots are in thrall to him!

Derek

I think JOHN ROOSEVELT probably meant to refer to Ernest Bevin rather than to Aneurin Bevan.

logdon

Suffolkbor
January 22nd, 2010 5:08pm

I wonder how long it will be before Muslim leaders in Britain start agitating to have their own religious police to patrol "Their"areas to reinforce Islamic propriety?"

The ones on this thread defending the right of Muslim police to have their own association miss the point.

If Muslims in Britain had no history of killing us on the transport system of our capital city. Yes

If Muslims were not creating discontent and uproar by the extreme provocation we saw during the cartoon demo's. Yes.

If their representatives were not haranguing returning soldiers or their casketted bodies with not one thought of the upset caused to wives and widows. Yes.

If we had no self segregated no go, Muslim only zones in major cities. Yes.

The list goes on, including the worrying silence of the so called moderates.

It’s not as if they have no form, that is evident in spades. So why should we as a majority put up with this obviously self serving claptrap of their denial of Islamic terrorism, which is a joke in itself?

Suffolkbor is on the nail. It’s the next logical step and I can hear the reasons put out by ministers as I type.

They, like this bunch of opportunists are either living in a fantasy land of denial or, and here we go again, Neather was the most ignored and possibly most important revelation of the decade.

When the next wave of Muslim riots occurs which side will these police officers take? Will they be granted abstention on the grounds of religion?

This is serious stuff and those who should be defending dither as if it were a minor uprising in some distant corner of our Empire.

I’ve got news for those dhimmis. The Empire has gone and Britain will follow pretty sharpish unless we get a handle on this escalation of shariah and islamic infiltration.

Mark Steyn understood. For that he was hounded from pillar to post. Geert Wilders understands and is fighting for his career and freedom.

Kurt Westergaard, Flemming Rose, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Phyllis Chesler, David Horowitz, Robert Spencer..... all with first hand knowledge of what is at stake and all living under heavy security just because those homicidal bastards will kill anyone who critisises their religion. And those bastards are living here snug and tucked in within our western civilisation, taking whatever is on offer and offering not one jot in return.

Surely that says it all?

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Well Done logdon, Bravo! you are a good thinker you said it all...

Michael McKee

If the Chief Officers of Police do not take steps in this matter to correct what appears to be blatant incitement then truly the state,nation,society is lost.People who care about their country should write,phone.text.e-mail their MP also local councillor and demand a proper accounting of the behaviour and utterances of this quasi facist NAMP group of so called public servans. Remember this article in the coming months and at the general election.

Suffolkbor

Beautifully put Logdon!

Michael McKee

I had not read the comments from other readers before I sent my first observation, it is very interesting and if one may say exciting that so many people are outraged at the information disclosed in the article. Perhaps there is need for further thought and iscussion on the overall picture.

Chris lancashire

It has long horrified me that we have a Black Police Officers Association. We would, rightly, codemn a White Police Officers Association for racism.
These Associations are bad enough as separatist organisations which are looking after their members' interests. They are insupportable when they move into the political arena.
They need winding up - and fast.

Bart

I live in the Netherlands and witness the same agressiveness of Islam in my country. It is invading all aspects of everday life in a way we are not used to, nor ever should. Europe must wake up NOW. We hardly have any time left.

van doorn sr

I am from the Netherlands and i am have no respect for the government how they solve the problem with Islam. Did you not learn about the bomattacks? Islam is not a religion but a political way of thinking

StephenA55

Excellent, insightful, accurate antidote to the complacency of all those who take an ignorance-based position on Islam and the growing threat it presents in this land. Everyone should read this. Also this is another indication for those who don't yet realise it, that there is no benign, tolerant Islam which can be used to destroy malignant 'Islamism', but that it is all the same thing.

ZZMike

"Let us pinch ourselves: these are British police officers, subject to the same disciplinary and professional codes as any other police officers."

Well, almost. Not too long ago, a Muslim woman graduating from the policemen's school refused the traditional handshake with the commander.

I would be surprised if we could not find other instances where Muslim policemen and policewomen placed their philosophy before the Law.

St Bruno

Well said Melanie

Will anybody of power to change things read it and think it’s time to do something…….No!

The subject is absolutely taboo and biased.

The BBC daren’t say a word out of place to upset the agenda of a diverse Britain, whether the Brits want it or not doesn’t matter a jot. Just like the other con-trick: the divine global warming saga. Where is the debate? I sure BBCs Security Correspondent Frank Gardner has a few things to say on the subject, but don’t hold your breath, even he would be out of a job if he said things that were reflecting the article in the Spectator. The mess up over WMD and the consequences of a wrong word is feared by the BBC glitterati.

Can a kind person please tell me who the moderate Muslims are?

N. Ailer

I see now how you lot managed to lose an Empire. If you had been this tough back in the late 1700s we could have won our independence with a harshly worded press release.

Best of luck with sharia law and all the other trappings that will define "British Values" in the future.

We still accept immigration applications from the UK here in America you know. Just saying.....

Bill Corr

It is disgraceful that there are so few religion-focussed and sexual-orientation associations for police officers. It is right and proper that there should be a National Association of Muslim Police, but is there a Zoroastrian Police Association or a Jedi Police Association? Are there any Scientologists in the police? Or Wiccans?

Again, there is a Lesbian and Gay Police Association but are there associations for necrophile, paedophile, gerontophile and zoophile police officers? Would the paedophile police be kept away from school duties? Would the zoophile police be trusted to work with horses and Alsatians?

Just saying.

hadrian

Dixon-

I think Harold has a very pertinent point about the oafish, casually violent, innately aggressive, lazy, low life types that welfarism has bred in the last few, liberal brave-new-world decades. If you think it all fiction, you clearly don't regularly have to share public transport with these scum. That said, it does not mean the threat from an ascendant and increasingly shamelessly 'radical' Islam is not extremely great. When the devil comes in as a bearer of light and specious justice, it can be a far more potent force than mere anti-social yobbism. That Islam is yet a relatively small percentage of the population and mostly discretely confined geographically does not mean in the least it can snatch the levers of power.Small, driven ideological groups time and again have done so. Eternal vigilance, as ever, is the price of peace.
As for treasonous moslems, they should be dealt with by the rope. Treason is still a capital offence, is it not?
It was chilling to see young U. K.Moslems on TV the other night blithely and proudly exprsessing their support for Jihad and their 'Moslem brothers'( laughable concept- who do they think is blowing up mosques, fellow moslems in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc??!!) as far as their circumstances would allow. Our nation is indeed a mess.

Suffolkbor

Unfortunately Hadrian ,
treason is not still a capital offence .

As mentioned before by various people commenting on Ms. Phillips articles the treason act was repealed by New Labour when Tony blair first came to power .

One wonders why?