The media is struck all but dumb in neatherworld

Derek

I wonder whether a thought or two on the topic might occur to the editor of the Spectator and he be gracious enough to write them down and publish them in the magazine?

S.G.Pillai

Can a member of the public bring these people involved in this act of treason or treachery bring them to court.

Frank P

Perhaps you could have a quiet word in the ear of the esteemed editor of this magazine; his promises to write on the subject were broken despite many entreaties from the readers. The word immigration seems to strike fear into the hearts of Mr Cameron, his shadow cabinet and those like Mr Nelson who are allegedly helping to shape 'conservative' policy.

Thank you for raising it again Melanie, perhaps it will now be addressed by himself.

R Mitchum

When are the "Tea Party" going to open a British Branch so that the people can openly and collectively discuss what concerns them while giving two fingers to the political and media fire blankets who stifle "unacceptable" debate.

Rob P

Norman Tebbit covered it in his blog at the Telegraph yesterday, and the Mail published several pieces, including Sir Andrew Green's article, but it has, unforgiveably, been studiously ignored by the BBC and most of the mainstream press, including of course Fraser Nelson. Curious...

Lord Monkington-Smythe

I know this may sound naieve, but maybe the plan is to keep quiet about this until a week before the elections and then to use it to "unleash hell" on Labour. However that would require a determination to win, not something Cameron has shown much of.

Fergus Pickering

Well, if you looked you would find it on the front page of Thursday's Daily Telegraph. Apart from that, I concur with everything that you say. Cameron only has to concur with it too and the election's in the bag. Where did I read that 80% of recent immigrants vote Labour. So he doesn't have to worry about pissing them off.

Fergus Pickering

Sorry. Wednesday's Daily Telegraph

Derek Pasquill

Neatherworld - not a multicultural society but a pluri-cultural hell with every conceivable identity group jostling for a slice of the action - reference the ludicrous police associations which no doubt are one short of the full jedi knight.

Thanks Labour and the Left for disarticulating the UK so comprehensively: the loony left have never had it so good and as a mark of their success they have even managed to infect the Tories.

Rachael

This is how we live in Orwellian Britain. The truth is just airbrushed from the BBC, Channel 4 News etc, etc. It doesn’t fit the propaganda they’ve been selling all these years, so just pretend it doesn’t exist.

I wrote about your October article over on the Coffee House Wall [February 10th, 2010 8:24pm] this week, so I won’t repeat what I said there here.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5759968/coffeehousers-wall-8-february-14-february.thtml

This is bigger than all the MPs' fraudulent expenses put together.

Watt Tyler

Lord Monkington-Smythe

Still thinking that the Conservative party are going to surprise you, eh? Still think that they are hoarding secret conservative tendacies yet to unleash them?

I cannot expend any more energy explaining what is right there in front of the eyes of the dunderheaded or wilfully ignorant. I don't know how Melanie keeps doing it.

Graeme

I have discussed this issue of immigration many times with people and the Labour Govt. does not seem to realise the sheer anger it has created over immigration. I have spoken to a Pakistan workmate, who thinks that the reason why the Govt. Relax immigration control was for votes at election times. When he came to this country in 2001, he went into Newham Council offices and found that 70% of the staff working there were fellow Pakistanis or other minority groups and he soon learned that most minorities were Labour Party voters and that Newham Council favoured minorities for that reason.

Graeme

an addendum to my previous post. The central tenet of Marxist Ideology is the 'withering away of nations' as Karl Marx wrote. There are two ways to wither away a nation; one, mass immigration, two, unite your country with another. Both of these are Labour policy. Why is the Labour Party dominated by recycled members of the Communist Party or Socialist Workers Party from he 1970's.

Ian C

Part of the answer to the question of 'why?' is because the beneficiaries will be BNP and UKIP.

There is a clue there for where the future political centre is headed because Labour and Tory voters are united in this. But not until a) Cameron is elected (by the skin of his teeth) and b) he wakes up to what is staring us all in the face.

Fabian the Fabulous

About now, in threads that mention this subject, there usually start to appear posts that include the phrases "tin-foil hats", "window-licking" and "swivel-eyed".
So far,as I write, none has appeared. Still, it can only be a matter of time before the evangelists of multiculturalism start dusting the cliches of abuse.

YA

"..there was indeed a conspiracy.."

WAS?!

Jerry

Two mentions in the comments section explain the Left's position properly. Most immigrants vote Labour. That is the most important understanding anyone can have of why this immigration has been encouraged. Nothing whatsoever to do with making Britain multicultural. Fighting it on that level is what the Leftists want. Do not be naive. Taking the fight to the "multicultural" level will only force more good people of colour to vote Labour. The release of this information at this time is another ploy by Labour to garner votes. Think about it: if most immigrants did not vote Labour, would these policies be in effect?

Bob.India

Stephen Glover - today's "Mail" (Maybe Fraser could give us his two pence worth?):

Remember that in large parts of England Labour has long been losing ground. In 2005, the Tories actually won more votes in England than Labour. As the party’s traditional bases in Scotland and Wales begin to weaken, so it needs more people in England who will naturally vote for it. As they don’t exist, they must be found.

Even as I write these words I can scarcely believe them. That a political party should have put its narrow, selfish interests above those of the country on so enormously important a matter is deeply shocking. To me it is a thousand times more shocking than all the MPs’ expenses fiddles about which we have learned recently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-1250096/Using-immigration-turn-Britain-nation-Labour-voters-shameful-I-hardly-believe-it.html#ixzz0fELIYYWH

Suffolkbor

The revelations of this document which I believe Migration Watch obtained by an freedom of information request should by rights be screaming headlines throughout the media.

The media , however , are part and parcel of the same conspiracy and to expect them to vigorously pursue this is akin to asking a criminal in the dock to advise the jury whether to find him guilty and then recommending the length of their own prison sentence .

According to the article by Sir Andrew Green in the Daily Mail an estimated one million three hundred thousand immigrants are eligible to vote in our country .
No prizes as to who they will be voting for.

DougS

Labour deserves to be kicked out of office and kept out for as long as it takes to get their policy makers to align with the ordinary people of this country and then stick to the truth, not spin/lies.
'Call me Dave' should take note.
I won't be holding my breath on either count!

Michael White

But don't worry; the BBC has a massive headline today regarding....er, debt in Greece.

TomTom

The USSR is alive and well reposing in Great Britain with its Politburo, Central Committee and slavish organs of the Press and Media ready to engage in AgitProp on causes such as MMR, Global Warming, Paedophilia, Swine Flu, SARS, to create the grounds for yet more State Expansionism into the private sphere.

Substantive issues evade our Media - Lison Treaty, the collapse of the PIGS in EuroLand, the Islamification Agenda, and of course Neatherland Replacement Politics of Colonisation

Neil Craig

Watch BBC "News" censor any mention of this - again.

just Louise

One day - whether from the sunny climes of Australia,from the chilly regions of Canada, or from the slits of burkhas in Blackburn and Brighton, in Bradford and Bromley, and all points east, west, north, and south - our children and our children's children, the ones who had the sense and the opportunity to quit this rat-infested vessel, the ones who lacked the foresight or luck, will look back on our generation and conclude that we were not only stark raving mad but that we betrayed ourselves, our ancestors, and our progeny.
Or, rather, our lily-livered politicians did. (That's you too, Call Me Dave!).
Blair, btw, abolished the Treason Act. I wonder why.

RobCon

Of course the USA is in the process of its own multi-culti transformation.

London Calling

I agree Melanie, it gets Dumber
& Dumber.

David Cameron has quietly demanded an enquiry into this explosive revelation from the Government, the very group who's peers instigated this social engineering plot at a cost to the British people
which is beyond repair and contempt of our civil liberties, don't hold your breath.

If social engineering is the crime, then it should be treated as such and those guilty held accountable in a court of law, the British people Vs the accused, the evidence also backed by the impact social engineering has had on British life socially and economically...

The expences saga looks like a Tea Party compared to this...

Simone

I doubt if we're going to see a Panorama special about this.
Of course the BBC admitted that it too is committed to promoting multiculturalism, so this won't be a major issue for them. It's a massive issue for voters though. Perhaps the Conservatives are worried which way the voters will jump? A swing to UKIP at this stage would affect them badly.

Mr. Mabutoh Afunfa

This multicultural thing is all about making money, immigrants are coming here specially from muslim countries the left let them in i wouldn't blame the labour government only but also the British society the young British people care about making money quickly and they think muslim immigrants give money easily that is why they allow many of them to come here

Carl

Of course, what is very cleverly overlooked is the fact that this Government has actually tightened up on just who, from outside the EU, may come to live and work in the UK. I can't imagine why the Daily Mail would have missed this incontrovertible fact.

Derek Pasquill

Perhaps Melanie's blog page could have a Neathergate National Social Engineering Counter similar to the Coffee House National Debt Counter on the main page.

Possible ticking boxes or flashing counters:

- Immigrants arriving per second;

- Social engineering benfits per square kilomentre (hard to quantify I know, and where would one start?);

- Column inches/broadcast media per minute per week;

- Net gain to marginal constituencies;

- Net loss to social cohesion and national well-being.

Compare before and after the General Election, as it were. Adjust parameters according to political persuasion or class.

Fearless Frank

Mr. Mabutoh Afunfa ...young British people care about making money quickly and they think muslim immigrants give money easily
I don't know anyone - young or old - who thinks that

logdon

It saddens me to say that this is not a Left thing but Tory also.

During Thatcher's time The Satanic Verses was published. Riots followed and this from Wikipedia...

"But the United Kingdom was the country where violence against bookstores occurred most often and persisted the longest. Two large bookstores in Charing Cross Road, London,(Collets and Dillons) were bombed on April 9. In May, explosions went off in the town of High Wycombe and again in London, on Kings Road. Other bombings include one at a large London department store (Liberty's), in connection with the Penguin Bookshop inside the store, and at the Penguin store in York. Unexploded devices were found at Penguin stores in Guildford, Nottingham, and Peterborough.

The bombings meant that hardly a single bookstore sold Rushdie's novel openly in the UK."

If appropriate action been taken then would the seeds of what is going on now have taken hold?

Iqbal Sacranie, troublemaker and insurrectionist at the time got away scot free. He's now Sir Iqbal!

Say's it all, really.

In the Wilderness in America

RobCon

You're so right. The U.S. is extolling the virtues of multi-culturalism big time. The key word, however, used in America is "diversity." It is rampant in schools and at work, and politically it is the "third rail" of politics if you dare to question it.

The amnesty bill in Congress for illegal aliens is an attempt by the Democrats, like Labour in Britain, to overwhelm the country with new voters who will vote Democrat at least 90% of the time and make the country a one party state for generations.

logdon

Mr. Mabutoh Afunfa
February 11th, 2010 5:48pm
British society the young British people care about making money quickly and they think muslim immigrants give money easily that is why they allow many of them to come here"

Eh? Shurely shome mishtake.

Andrew Temple

The cultural Marxists have been planning this since the 1950s and since their first objective was to covertly take over the media, universities and education systems, and corrupt them from within is it any wonder almost no one protests in the left-manipulated media? The destruction of each culture is the only way they can bring in their Marxist world view that we are "all the same", and then a one world government (read dictatorship) that Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot all dreamed of can come to fruition.

What is amazing is so few people realise what is happening and was planned for decades and worse, even fewer seem to give a damn, until of course all their lives are turned upside down and they've lost all their historic culture, rights and freedoms they took for granted, but then it will be too late.

Augustus

Carl, it is true that the Government have now, as you say, tightened up, on non-EU immigrant and student vetting procedures, but it's a bit late in the day for that. It's like a five-month pregnant woman trying to seek abortion. The Labour government has plainly sanctioned and promoted a vast increase in migration to unprecedented levels. For 20 years before Blair became Prime Minister immigration levels averaged 54,000 a year. It then rose steeply; 97,000 in 1999; 333,000 in 2007; and so on. Then there are all those illegal immigrants, probably a miilion, with half of them in London. When the Lords Economic Committee conducted a review of the policy in 2008, they concluded, contrary to all the Labour propaganda by Blunkett et al, 'immigration has had little or no effect on the economic well-being of Britain, and offers insignificant benefits to the existing population'. This 'rich cultural diversity, of which labour have been so fond of promoting has been purely at the expense of indigenous English people, who have been made to feel, not only marginalized, but also deeply disorientated in their own home towns.

terence patrick hewett

There are areas of discussion where the liberal mainstream press display all the sensibilities of a Victorian maiden aunt; Cif and the NS are the worst offenders but the DT and the Times closely follow.

Try bringing up the subject of the effects of population displacement and the resultant destabilisation upon country, society and liberty. Try the classical Christian doctrine that the promotion of pederasty and sapphism are anarchic, sterile, hedonistic, and socially damaging pastimes which destabilise the family and society. Try postulating that the introduction of euthanasia and abortion, turn us into a nation of old people, further the task of population reduction, damage the fabric of family and society and are intrinsically evil. Try suggesting that the debauchment of the education system is a deliberate policy to reduce a sense of identity and to produce an ignorant and supine untermensch. Try pointing out that the left, using entryism, and with previous points in mind, have corrupted the integrity of the schools, the judiciary, the civil service, local government, councils, the social services, the BBC and the police, and have also made a start on the armed forces.

Try the hypothesis that the left having rejected the set of absolute moral values willed to it by Christianity and Judaism and no longer having a coherent set of moral ethics, have filled the vacuum with a mess of single conflicting issues, which in the words of Phillip Blond, have "repudiated and vilified the very structure and basis of society itself."

Try all that and you will be in for a very dusty time; you will be, God forefend, be moderated by Cif and cast into the outer darkness. Great as the temptation is to snigger at all this pompous maiden auntery, they are the most serious issues of our age and need to be debated since they affect the very nature of self and how we see our future. Many correspondents have declared, correctly in my view, that by ignoring it all gives the field up to the likes of the BNP. In the end reality always breaks in, and the longer we leave it the more traumatic it will be when it does.

Joe Strummer

The BBC couldn't have this deliberate immigration policy scandal as their top headline due to the very real outrage it would cause.

They will eventually get round to doing so,however, but more likely as an anodyne item on Newsnight on a Friday night or some other low rated programme. That's the way the BBC works to bury issues it doesn't want to talk about.

I'm ashamed we pay a poll-tax for this duplicitous,corrupt and morally-bankrupt institution which is the BBC.

Roger K

I just don't understand what you lot back in the U.K. are waiting for. Treason and sedition should be punishable by death and a long line of traitors from the Jihadists to the Chilcot Inquiry to the Socialists to the Fifth Column (Conservative Party)to AGW frauds, should have their heads stuck on pikes at Traitor's Gate. Although I think the line of pikes would these days stretch out the gate and down the Embankment. People of Britain arise you have nothing to lose but your chains!

david Smith

When a government plots to destabalize a people by enabling an invasion to which no consent has been sought or given it is in rebellion against that people.
We are sovereign. A government must not cede this sovereignty or fail in it's prime duty to protect and nurture our customs and traditions.
This government has become a tyranny and can no longer command our obedience.
Our loyalty is to our Queen and to her alone.

jon dee

Lets imagine the media reaction to the discovery that the demographic profile of Britain had been altered deliberately and covertly by a Tory government, for it's own electoral gain.

It's highly likely that newsrooms accross the print and broadcasting sectors would mount major editorial operations to cover such an important story.

If Osborne's boat-trip excited the BBC then this would surely cause them to be delirious, and no expense would be spared on it's coverage. One imagines other left-leaning outlets following suit. In fact, quite properly coverage would arise from all MSN outlets, regardless of their political persuaion.

Of course it is not the Tories who stand accused of sabotaging immigration to gain votes, it is Labour, but it is no less a story.

It just seems that our state broadcaster by not reporting such a story may share the Labour government's view's on censorship.

Ed

"Other than in the Daily Mail, I cannot find any reference to this anywhere else.

I wonder why."

I think the words "Daily" and "Mail" give the game away somewhat.

Ed

Incidentally, I love the idea that we can trust a Labour speech writer to reveal the truth. Interesting that we should only trust them when they make claims (and they are nothing more than one person's interpretation - there is nothing factual here) that back up bizarre paranoid delusions (something that appears to have become Mel's stock and trade).

Ed

"Jerry
February 11th, 2010 12:41pm

Two mentions in the comments section explain the Left's position properly. Most immigrants vote Labour."

Hmm, interesting theory. Scuppered only by the fact that a large number of immigrants aren't allowed to vote in the general election. EU migrants for example can only vote in local council and Euro elections - NOT in a general election (I know because I am married to an EU migrant). So it will make very little difference.

John.

As most of these immigrants have been brought into our country without consulting us and without our consent, no matter whether they have been given British nationality or not, they have been brought in fraudulently and therefore have fraudulent justification for being here. The sovereign people have every right to expel them whence they came especially as the guests now propose to take over the hosts' houses and dictate what laws will obtain in their land. We have harboured serpents in our breasts for far too long. Now, where is freedom of speech? The mildest criticism of Islam gets you a bullet in the head. Where is common law when Muslims can practise quadrigamy and we natives are imprisoned for bigamy and even schools have to provide special food for Muslim children? These laws discriminate against us in our own land. Enough I say! And for another scandalous failure of the press to inform read http://article.nationalreview.com/424261/western-civilization-on-trial/nro-symposium and see that the age of show trials is upon us in the West of Europe. Geert Wilders is on trial for having said various true things and the judges have stated that however many witnesses he brings to court he has done something illegal! He needs all the support he can get - he has lost all vestige of family life as a result of standing up to the Muslims and has to be heavily guarded wherever he goes - such is the reward for speaking the truth in our coutry and our continent today. And read Claire Berlinski's review of Christopher Caldwell's "Reflections on the Revolution in Europe" in the Washington Book World site. But what hope is there for a country so brainwashed that Cambridge so-called students cause the uproar described in one of Merlanie´s articles a few days ago?

Janet

Ed: "there is nothing factual here".

How perfectly Orwellian! Labour can never be held to account for anything - even when it lets the cat out of the bag.

The fact is that Andrew Neather crowed and now we can see the official document that he was referring to. How are those two things not facts? Did 'Mad Mel' make them up out of thin air?

Roy

Good that you should bring it out into the light of day again Melanie. Like many of us keep repeating, the 'truth' has a hard battle getting through the slosh. The political parties continue to be unseeing, and all to happy to take the votes of the new proletariat dunked into their constituencies. Shows how concerned they are for the old Britisher, he can be tossed aside any old time for a new breed, no matter what stupendous swindle is involved.

Carl

Logdon, your post about bookshops being bombed is just not true, nothing of the sort took place.

Mr. Mabutoh Afunfa

John good post, I saw that too the schools are serving Halal food, people been brought to your country every year for the last 12 years with out asking the natives things are little bit too late, like I say before the young trendy lefty modern British people like money and people who run for your country are just a "sissy boys" this is not mishtake, What are you going to do about this mesh?

jon dee

How considerate of BBC Today to insert a puff for an ITV broadcast, featuring our tearful prime minister being interviewed by the talented Piers Morgan.

With such a busy schedule, is it any wonder that BBC are unable to report on Labour's immigration scam ?

GaryO

This problem is Europe wide. We are witnessing the demise of Europe as we knew it. Future generations will ask, how did it happen, but they won't find the answer in their history books because they'll all have been rewritten.

Joshua

"Other than in the Daily Mail, I cannot find any reference to this anywhere else."

Google News is your friend. This story was also carried in The Sun, Express and Telegraph a couple of days ago.

Shaun Harbord

John @ 12.13

The link tot he National Review symposium does not work.

Jon_Boy

It is easy to do a little research on this.

I did this a long time ago.

Go onto google and take a look at several different communist and hyper extreme left wing websites.

I looked at a Jewish one. Amongst the usual driblle you will see that they are very anti religion. However quite often and even on the Jewish communist website you will find pecial sections that look to espouse Islam only amongst all the world religions. It is obvious that form these sites that many communists openly admire Islam only out of all the world religions and have what can only be described as a probably tactical political pact with political Islam.

If you gon on you will see that many of these sites promote the theory of open woorld borders and a blief that there should be a worldwide unrestricted free movement of people.

This is not the objective in itself but it is believed by the supporters of this philosophy that we are all too stuopid and cultrually brainwahsed by our own cultures to willingly accept the 'enlightened' leadership of the extreme left. Therfore the theory goes that by allowing the free movemnt of people would allow the smashing of current cultural identity and and in their opnion its associated brainwashing and conditioning thus leaving us all ready to accept the leadership and direction of the extreme left.

This insiduous ideology which is secretly shared by some in the labour party came in to play when also coinscided with the theory of the more prcatical minded in the party who were willing to do anything to help guarnartee future election victories. Because in their view they assume that 99% of new immigrants to this country of traditionally always sideed with Labour. Therefore they were just trying to maintain and grow their future perceived voter base.

If you then combine all this with our business leaders and their own perceived interests which is they support anything that they think drives down labour costs. Because for overpaid business leaders driving up performance through hard work in management efficiency and better design etc is not as appealing as sitting on your ass and having the government drive down your labour csots instead.

Finally our overpaid elites in London do not fear any immigrants eventually taking their jobs or the jobs they have earm marked for their children and grandchildren and wish to pay less for child care and other services they wish to procure around London.

However this arragant and condiscending view towards the pooree classses and the new immigrants may backfire in their faces in the years to come when the immigrants do well in our schools and unis and do take the jobs of our elites and remove the existing corrupt neptistic system and replace it with a differnt corrupt one of their own.

There you go that is the mystery solved on how this incompetent and ill thought out conspiracy of the last 15 years came to pass.

Merlyn

Time for an AVALANCHE of letters to the BBC about their avoidance of the treasonable 'Crime Of The century', and their avoidance of Geert Wilder's 'Trial of The Century'.

Roy

When the Nazis came to be tried they were asked why they didn't speak up and protest when many of them knew they were doing ghastly deeds.
At least the world had come to a position when this question could be asked. The unfortunate position of Britain on its tragic path today is that this question (tell me I'm wrong) will never be able to be asked.

Neil Craig

Edf the reason why Neather can be trusted on this is obvious. When politicians or even ordinary people lie it is always in a way they think helps them. Nobody ever lies to make themselves look worse than reality. If Tony Blair says Saddam Hussein has WMDs one may doubt it, if Saddam Hussein said Saddam Hussein had WMDs you can take it to the bank (& vice versa of course). So if a Labour speechwriter says Labour have been conspiring to "elect a new population" against everybody's interests but particularly against the interests of their core vote, you can take it to the bank.

And of course it is ridiculous to say their is no evidence when the FoI enquiry has produced it 7 it has been published.

gareth

Thank you Melanie - for writing on this!
It is amazing that no media picks this up.........but then, the left-wing media is dying, we're all stopping paying much attention to most of it and switching to the internet - and real issues for us.

Woody

What some people will do to get the Mulim vote... a Scottish minister writes to a magistrate to be lenient in the case of a Muslim man accused of fraud, a man who has aprevious conviction for fraud...and a judge (you know who)who did go very easy on a Muslim man found guilty of serious assault.

catesby

Well, it's now lunchtime on Friday and I've just heard a programme on the BBC World Service which led with a recap of neathergate with quotes from Neather's article followed by a discussion between Sir Andrew Green and Denis McShane with the presenter asking whether mass immigration was down to cock-up or conspiracy.

Archie

Well, spot-on,Miss Phillips. The BBC haven't covered this? Now there's a surprise! They seem to have lots of time available to cover the fortunes of someone who isn't even a British subject- Binyam Mohammed.

Bhaskar

Let me repeat this- there is no conspiracy. The reasons for this inflow of people has to do with the free market. You cannot have a free market system without a significant flow of labour from one country to another. It is not a coincidence that all advanced capitalist countries have significant immigration issues. When the last economic boom started in around 1993, it was immediately apparent to many CEOs that there was a skills shortage in certain areas. It was the then Tory administration, under pressure from the captains of industry and finance which opend the gates to allow skilled professionals to meet the demands of the labour market. From the year 2000 onwards (at the hight of the boom), it was becoming increasingly apparent that British people(including settled immigrants from earlier generation and their descendents) were unwilling to carry out certain menial jobs and therefore market pressure meant there was a hugh influx of mainly East Europeans who were willing to do these jobs, such as my Bulgarian cleaner and God bless her! No conspiracy here, just market forces. This is not to say immigration is not an issue. Only a charlatan would deny the need for strict and fair border controls. Therfore it is sad to see an educated and articualte person such as Melanie join the motely crew of inadequates and losers (whether of the right or the left, or religious fundamentalists of various shades) who believe in conspiracies to hide their sense of failure. Some people think New labour deliberately brought in a million and a half of new immigrants. Ohters think 9/11 was the result of a CIA (or Israeli)conspiracy. What is the difference? The same paranoid state of mind. That mother of all conspiracy theories, the notorious Czarist forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion resulted in genocide against the Jews. We never learn from history, do we?

John Holland

a) I don't know why you're all getting so hysterical- you're perfectly free to vote BNP if you wish.
b)"In the wilderness in America"- I don't understand the stuff about the USA "going mulicultural". The US is made up almost entirely of bloody immigrants from all over the globe, who took the land from an homogenous group of nations by violence. Oh, and a bunch of slaves who were, by some Marxist plot, given their freedom.
Why don't you all go home?

YA

John Holland

You still don't get it.

It's not about immigration o people, it's about immigration of barbaric customs and tyrannical cultures, and cults.

People are free to become better, whatever race or color or religion they are. There is nothing racist or discriminatory in this suggestion.

John.

Shaun Harbord: Sorry, I didn't realize that there was even more to the web site. Here it is:http://article.nationalreview.com/424251/western-civilization-on-trial/nro-symposium Western Civilization on Trial-NRO Symposium-National Review Online There's another too: Menace in mad march of the thought police / The Australian But the slash is not a line at 45º it is a perpendicular line at 90º. I have no idea how to get that on the computer. I ended the first one after the first "nro-symposium" and it came up

Sam Armstrong

Bhaskar
February 12th, 2010 7:11pm:

"Let me repeat this- there is no conspiracy."

Repeat? This is your first post on this thread so how can you be repeating yourself?

I do wish trolls like you would get some grammatical skills before trying to tell British people what they know in their hearts is true.

Derek

YA

wrote "It's not about immigration o[f] people, it's about immigration of barbaric customs and tyrannical cultures, and cults. "

I beg to differ. It is about both; because the threat is a cultural one. Therefore, barbaric customs and ideology form a part of the menace, yes, of course; but if we value our culture, then while we may be happy to see it tempered by the moderate introduction of expressions of a wide variety of other cultures - their cookery, music, literature, philosophy, dress, language and festivals - this welcome will only be where this remains moderate - a dash of spice in our cities, not an overturning of the condiments into the dish. An exaggerated example may better illuminate what I am saying: it appears that in 2008, out of a population of about seven million, London had about 32,000 residents who were born in Japan One assumes that the great majority of those were Japanese. What, however, if that number were 3.5 million? We might have the friendliest feelings towards our ally, Japan, and think most highly of their aesthetics, their politesse and their work ethic, but by then might well have developed very serious reservations indeed about the effect of their presence in such numbers on the life and culture of a distinctive British capital - and surely we would be right to have such reservations as long as we thought that our own culture had some value.

At what point, someone ought to be exploring, does the growth of a particular cultural community in our population precipitate into a fundamental change in the nature of our culture, following which it becomes unrecognizable and has lost its characteristics? Do we deserve to be consulted before such a change is imposed on us? If yes, and there has been no consultation: Who are those who have connived at the imposition? What were their motives? How can they be called to account? How, if at all, can the situation be reversed?

BritZek

Bhaskar - "Let me repeat this- there is no conspiracy."

Not bad old boy, a very plausable, evidence based and rational presentation of your argument. However, no cigar, as they say. You let out your true feelings by describing opponents of your panglossian apology for the effective disenfranchising of the indigenous people as 'losers' thought you effectivley include islamic zealots as a sort of mirror image of 'loser-dom'. It's all been rumbled I'm afraid. The observer is being observed.

I doubt there was some sort of Dr Evil conference in the 90s where they sketched out the details of destroying the indigenous majority.... though I'm open minded about it happening some time earlier. However, there were probably some smiles and warm hearts at the thought of it when they saw the early drafts of those documents. As an ideal don't you know. Not for the peasants I'm so glad you think its all about winners and losers. You must have your Lebensraum I know - by Nietschian competitive right!

Of course there are economic forces at play. There is a definate issue with 'advanced' countries competing with developing ones on the low wage front, as well as the welfare state effect - hence the 'pull' factor economically which you outline. Your pals in big business just do what they want. Yes, the tide is running, but how are we steering the ship of state? We are active perticipants - or, dare I say - should be....

When the outflow pressure of economic hardship, population expansion and political oppression drove Europeans to the place they called the New World they called it 'Manifest Destiny'. Now thats a nice phrase, like Diversity, but its self serving self interested bullshit is it not?

I'll stop now as I really must listen carefully to a most important program on Radio 3 about Turkish culture and how we are so closely related and they so European and what positive changes there will be when they are admitted to the EU.

Neil Craig

Bhaskar says "You cannot have a free market system without a significant flow of labour from one country to another. It is not a coincidence that all advanced capitalist countries have significant immigration issues."

Presumably then Japan & South Korea are neither capitalist nor advanced since both claim a net immigration rate of 0.0%.

Let me acknowledge that they probably have lost somewhat by this but far les than we have by doing the opposite. Thus it simply cannot be
honestly claimed that immigration is unstopable - it is entirely our, or at least our allegedly democratic government's choice.

John.

Are the native Britons permitted to aspire to freedom from oppression by the millions who have now been allowed and encouraged, by a treacherous political clique, to colonise their islands? Ghandi was imprisoned several times in the same cause. Perhaps it is time for us to start going to prison in order to liberate our country. In the end all the British, even families who had been in India for 200 years and more, quietly went home. There need be no violence, just silent peaceful protest. Most of us have had enough and no political party is about to address our aspiration.

Rachael

Janet Daley wrote on Neather yesterday (the number of comments reflects the level of public anger):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/janetdaley/7231568/Immigration-a-plan-to-alter-the-nations-soul.html

And Peter Hitchens too:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1250804/Commander-Dizaei-day.html

John Thomas

Rob P, There is nothing at all curious about the BBC suppressing a story which would show the rulership (New Labour/Blue Labour/whoever) in a bad (realistic) light. the miracle would be if they exposed the truth of the world we live in ...

Dennis Churchill

But think of how much easier it is to get “Staff” now,
The Nanny and Cleaner Employing Classes, such as “work” in the BBC, certainly benefit from Open Borders.

mark

23rd february.

I caught the tail -end of an interview between John Humpgries and Phil Woolas. It seemed to be about this issue

Humphries appeared to be giving Woolas a hard time. Can nyone elucidate?