Another genocidal murderer wiped out? Britain knows who's really guilty

Ken Gordon

I don't think there would have been such a storm had it not been for the stolen identities. That is the issue that Phillips seems to omit.

Archie

Well, incisive as ever, Miss Phillips, but my nostrils detect the not-so-subtle odour of rodent with regard to this one! Despite a couple of set-backs a few years ago and unless Mossad/Shin Beit have radically shifted their modus operandi, since when did they operate so clumsily? I mean, knocking off the identities of still-living people who can be traced instantly? Sending a football team to do a job that would have been done by a one or two person team at the most? Leaving clues that even the Dhubai police could seize on? I don't think so! But cui bono? The French?

just Louise

Jeremy Bowen of Al Beeb, in funureal condemnatory tones the day before yesterday, Zeinab Badawi on BBC World News last evening trying to badger an interviewee into admitting it was Mossad, indeed all the BBC reports, have pretty well implicitly found Mossad guilty. By contrast yesterday, Channel Four and Sky News - albeit weakly - explored the possibility that it was not Israel who carried out the assassination.
And Sir Menzies Campbell has not only jumped on the anti-Israel bandwagon, he has helped to kick-start it.

JS

On the subject of the Liberal Democrats what is the view of Jenny Tonge on this ?

Jez

Melanie.

The sloppyness of this operation is beggaring belief.

The NuLab / media liberal intellegentsia will not be swayed by any amount of reasoning regarding the background of such an action either.

It's happened- and a very dubious character has been stopped.

The ownership of this own goal disasterous 'PR blow-back' has to be placed at the feet of whoever planned this.

(A little more tactfully than the above 'James Bond' type primetime TV bonanza)

Neil Turner

Certainly one case where the end justifies the means

Henry Weiss

If anyone is uncertain as to who did it ask Evan Davis. On yesterday's Today program (or might have been the day before) he said in interviewing some intelligence expert "no one seriously doubts that his was the work of Israel do they?" Thanks for clearing that one up Evan.

GaryO

This must be the most clumsily executed public assassination, ever. It only makes sense if the whole purpose of it was to frame Israel.

This could easy have been an inside job but an execution by Hamas of one of its own most prominent members would have resulted in serious internal divisions and public fracas. A neat solution, possibly with the help of Iranians, would be to murder this guy and make it look like it was Mossad. This would unite not only Hamas, but also the entire Palestinian cause and make Israel look like the bad guys. Kill two birds with one stone.

As for the British media, these people are worse than gormless, they are dangerously playing to the anti-Israeli gallery worldwide. They are virtually excusing Hamas in advance for the inevitable retaliation that is bound to follow – again another benefit to frame Israel, it kind of gives an excuse to kill more Israelis.

Jon_Boy

Poor old Dubai having to investigate both Israeli operations in their country as well as illegal arms deals between terrorist agents and Iranian secret services.

Hang on wait a minute it is just the Israeli issue they will probably investigate.

Also I am waiting for the media to demand an investigation into the illegal arms dealing activities between terrorists and Iranian agents in Dubai. I guess I will be waiting a long time for that one.

Lord Monkington-Smythe

Um, I think by the fact it was an expertly planned operation using perfect cloned paasports against a fundamental danger to the state of Israel, and by the fact that no-one has been caught in Dubai (except a member of Hamas?!) would lead any sane person to believe it was Mossad.

I think they had a right to assinate the bloke, as he was trying to buy weapons to use against Israel, but don't think that the countries whose passports and citizens were abused in order to pull this off don't deserve to publically haul the Israeli ambassadors in their counnties in for an ear-bashing. Mossad has endangered their citizens. The fact that the Israelis apparently begged the FCO not to go public (and that the FCO leaked their belief that Mossad was responsible in no uncertain terms) indicates that the FCO are confident they know who was responsible, and love them of hate them, the FCO aren't idiots. So enough of this "maybe it was, maybe it wasn't" foolishness. If you are going to do something as public and audacious as this, by all means do it, but don't put the lives of innocent citizens from other countries at risk.

tiki

This 'incompetend job' (by whoever did it) was not so incompetend at all. Bottom line: the 'terrorist murderer is with the 72 virgins and a 'clear and public message was send to those who need to know in Syria, Libanon and maybe even Iran; "see what can happen....? Those Arabs with wicked idea's and their leftist supporters are panicking, that's what all the noise is about. Israel is NOT bending over anymore and those who need to know got the message.

Shaun Harbord

Neil Turner: "Certainly one case where the end justifies the means"

IF Israel is responsible, do you mean that they can go wherever they like and eliminate who they choose? Whatever happened to the rule of law?

Enderby

Monkington-Smythe,

Quite right. Mossad underestimated the investigative skills of the Dubai'ns big time. Leaving an anonymous (overweight) dead tourist in his bed in one of those mega-hotels must have seemed like the perfect exit. Wonder what prompted the investigators to start digging?

As to the FCO's role in this, I think we're into plausible deniability territory. Mossad would have needed to know that those UK passports belonged to bona fide members of the British public, with no outstanding issues that might cause travel problems. Only the UK could have properly confirmed this.

logdon

For me, rather than heeding the why, oh why sanctimonious tone of the editorials, the comments tell the tale.

Never has the cliché, the stench of hypocrisy, been so apt and those respondents certainly know it.

A Hamas killer gets his long overdue desserts and the likes of the fragrant Evan Davis and Banana Boy Milliband leap out of the traps like Haringey greyhounds.

Maybe both could try living openly and sans minders as a homosexual or a Jew in that area of eternal tolerance and see how long they'd last?

This is akin to crossing lemmings with turkeys and introducing the offspring to Christmas.

Of course, living in their oh so liberal ivory towers the actuality evades the cloistered minds. It's all a game.

Abstract and pontificating as if a few notches down the food chain where the reality of death, disfigurement and terrorist murder is some dirty, squalid little hole they’d never in a million years sully their pretty little heads over.

They are the true Nicholas Winterton’s who shudder at the thought of sharing with hoi poloi fellow travellers.

The high tones of a high Tory in convergance with these media and government marxist luvvies? Who’d have thought it, yet here it is as they effortlessly rise above and dismiss Mahmoud Mabhouh’s homicidal past and current intent as mere trifle.

Life may be nicely cut and dried in the sinecure of their publically funded positions but to an Israeli surrounded by hostile nations intent on reducing their state to rubble the means of survival have to justify the ends.

Either that or it’s farewell Israel. It, when boiled down, is that simple.

defendcivilisation

One million Jews worldwide who might want to assist in taking out a terrorist scumbag. Hey, BBC bigot, multiply that figure infinitum for gentiles who'd be willing to do the same.

In the western media, especially the BBC, we all know the extent of people willing to do the propaganda bidding of genocidal anti-semitic terrorists.

I'm sure this was a Mossad hit. Any time they want to use my passport to carry out another one, be my guest.

George J

It makes little difference to me whether it was was Mossad or Moss Bros. If someone is going around assassinating islamist terrorists, I'd just like to say my passport is in my bedside table, top drawer. You're welcome.

Simone C. Bacchini

Yes, there is abundant self-righteousness in the media's condemnation of the killing (supposely by Mossad).
And yes, the world is a better place without the assassinated man (three cheers to whoever dit it).
But is seems reasonable to be dismayed at the use of stolen British citizens' identities by whoever.
That the perpetrators/planners apparently did insert easily identifiable details into the forged documents is beside the point.
The British Government is right to show disapproval and this does not equal anti-Israeli sentiment.

Tom Durkin

Extra-judicial killings are not under any circumstances morally justifiable.

It is a sad day for a cause when you have come to the conclusion that they are, and that ends can justify the means.

If it is Mossad, they should have to justify themselves to the Israeli authorities and this stinking mess should be cleaned up rather than engaging in a race to the bottom with Hamas.

Pete

"up to one million Jews worldwide might be on hand to assist Mossad in executions"

That sort of refusal to differentiate between being Jewish and being an active supporter of Israeli policy is pretty disgusting. Good spot, Mel. Well done.

Rachael

Ken Gordon, February 19th, 2010 6:14am: “I don't think there would have been such a storm had it not been for the stolen identities. That is the issue that Phillips seems to omit.”

Eh? Where was this omitted?

“As for the British and Irish passport-holders whose identities were purloined for the hit:

‘The olim [immigrants] who found their names on the Dubai police’s wanted list will not encounter great difficulties in clearing their names, since most of the details in the forged documents were changed from the originals. The assassins apparently went to great lengths to ensure that the olim could distance themselves from the incident, changing passport numbers, inserting bogus middle names and altering dates of birth.

‘...The Gulf state, keen to preserve its name as a neutral financial haven, free from the violent woes that afflict other parts of the Middle East, has gone out of its way to try and embarrass the assassins and those who sent them. Such efforts, presumably, would have been foreseen by the mission’s planners as a possible outcome, and deemed acceptable.’”

This is how all secret services operate. You’ve never heard of identity theft? What planet are you on?

And today we learn in the Telegraph: ‘Fatah members linked with assassination of Hamas commander in Dubai’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/7267158/Fatah-members-linked-with-assassination-of-Hamas-commander-in-Dubai.html

As ever, Richard Littlejohn refuses to go along with all the cant of the last week (certain people in the Mail and the Telegraph ought to be ashamed of themselves):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1252133/Man-pedaloes-chaps-save-Falklands.html

Truthtriumphs

Well done Israel!
Why incompetent? The objective was achieved.
As to the British press, don't be so despondent Melanie.
Yesterday, Melanie Reid in the Times wrote a very entertaining piece called "Mossad the Movie" praising Israel.
The most revealing aspect was the comment page following her piece on line, in which the overwhelming opinions were praise and admiration for tiny Israel.
And, btw, the UK and USA collaborate in intelligence in their "Task Force Black",designed to take out the leaders of the resistance in Iraq.
To date, they have taken out hundreds of "operatives" at street level, and quite right too.
Has Milliband, the boy scout, forgotten that the SAS assassinated 3 unarmed IRA "militants" in Gibralter, which became public knowledge?
It's what governments need to do to protect their populations.

Miss Moneypenny

Mossad are not know for clumsy cack-handed operations. This was a clumsy cack-handed operation. QED

Andrew Cunningham

It's wonderful news that Mahmoud Mabhouh has been dealt with. As for the twaddle about the assassination being "extra-judicial" the 1942 killing by Czech agents of SS killer Reinhard Heydrich was also “extra-judicial". Mabhouh, like Heydrich, was a murderer and the representative of a despicable anti-semitic organisation dedicated to the extermination of the Jews. Mabhouh, like Heydrich, was responsible for the murder of innocent Jewish men, women and children. Mabhouh, like Heydrich, was a legitimate target. Mabhouh, like Heydrich is history. Thank God someone has the guts to rid the world of these fanatics.

Neil Turner

Shaun Harbord

In answer to your question....

Yes.

The rule of law as applied by the UN does nothing to prohibit the vilification of Israel. So Israel should defend itself using any reasonable means, and take appropriate action against all who work for its anihilation

Liz

And all the while the hypocritical British government is cutting a swathe through Afghanistan and simultaneously in a potentially explosive stand off with the Argentinians. Can anyone honestly say that these matters affect the security of the British public to the same urgent extent as Israel's need to protect its' civilians from the likes of Mabhouh?

PETER A

Nice job,well executed(pun intended).Check out Mossads website.If I were young again I'd put in an application.
http://www.mossad.gov.il/Eng/AboutUs.aspx

GaryO

"up to one million Jews worldwide might be on hand to assist Mossad in executions"

Mossad mainly targets terrorists. Islamists mainly target civilians. There are millions of muslims living in the West and there are over a billion worldwide. Seeing that many islamist terrorists are civilians and not members of any muslim country's secret service, would the BBC ever let it be put out that "one million muslims worldwide might be on hand to assist islamists in terrorism".

It sounds ridiculous.

Penny

"This is how all secret services operate."

No, no, Rachael - you surely know that every other intelligence service in the world has its operatives trotting around the globe using their own names, passports and credit cards. Everyone knows who they are that way - which is only fair to the terrorists, now, isn't it?

On the surface of it I would agree that using the passports of real people is not on, but I have no idea if other secret services do this and truth be known, neither do any of us. It is odd that of the other passports used on this particular occasion, only the British ones were apparently cloned whilst the others were faked.

Israeli intelligence is one of the best and, whether you like Israel or you don't, whether you believe passport fakery is the sole province of Mossad or not, it is likely that their intelligence is beneficial to us.

As for Gordon Thomas, the oh-so-informative guest on the radio program mentioned by Melanie, his genre is conspiracy theories from Diana to Jesus. It's a lucrative market.

His source for at least two of his tidbits is a man who worked for Magabe and tried to frame Tsvangerai. Apparently, even Al-Fayed didn't hire him when he offered his services.

According to another of his sources (Muhammed al-Fayed), 1,000 of Diana's conversations were recorded by American secret services. No, I can't think why the American's would be bothering to do this either.

Augustus

I would be surprised if Mossad carried out the assassination in Dubai. It has never had one of its hits filmed before, or pictures of its hit squad publicly displayed. Mossad's current focus must be Iran's nuclear programme - away from the public eye.

What the world needs is more Mossad!

Tom Durkin

@Andrew Cunningham

your attempt to equate opposition to extra-judicial killings with historic anti-semitism is a diversion from assessing this killing and its impact on Israel if Mossad is involved.

From information available it seems Mahmoud Mabhouh was not a nice person, and even 'an enemy of Israel', but my reasoning is that no state has the authority for extra-judicial killings.

If a state engages in such a practice, in my book that would be a major black mark against their 'democratic' or 'freedom loving' credentials which is the basis of their moral superiority.

Israel should not engage Hamas in a moral race to the bottom, because if they do there will be lots of unnecessary bloodshed and the erosion of the core principles of the Israeli nation.

Dave

so if it wasn't Mossad surely the Israeli Government would just say it wasnt them?

Dixon

I would like to point out the hypocrisy of the media on one aspect of its coverage. Whilst Jon Snow ( et al ) takes the high-horse of moralism about states committing assassinations noone mentions the certain fact that Obama has signed off on the assassination by drone of dozens of people since his election.) Actually, Jon Snow himself did, belatedly, half-heartedly, without developing the point ).

Inded, it is now becoming apparent that Obama and his administration are opting to assassinate...one might more accurately say, obliterate ( by Hellfire missile ) suspected Al Q and Taleban people rather than capture them, when their capture is all the same a realistic option. The reason being that Obama has effectively so restricted the options the US has for taking prisoners in this war that they are left with the choice of basically kill them or capture and then release them.

Every time I have seen Clive Stafford Smith or one of his type on TV whining about the suffering of prisoners of war in US custody ( Gitmo, etc ) I am reminded of the elephant in the room that the journos never mention...rather than be "ill treated" these people could as easily have been killed "in action" instead of captured.

Now, it seems, that is exactly the upshot of the tireless efforts of such trouble-makers: unintended consequences indeed!

Personally, I find it hilarious.

Ha! Back in 1982 I defended the war among ny associates by referring to hypothetical future oil exploitation. I may be a broken clock but I get some things right!

The military comparisons with then are double-sided. On the one hand, the navy that re-took the islands in 1982 were sunk by John Knott with his grammatically weird policy of "less ships" almost as soon as the battle ended. Im no naval expert, but I remember various such experts saying that we would never be able to do it again.

On the other hand, a destroyer, four Typhoons and 1,200 personnel is a very far cry from one clapped out unarmed fisheries vessel and fifty lightly armed marines that was the only garrison there in 1982.

Moreover, the global political climate has changed a lot in 28 years. I think Argentina would have to be pretty foolhardy to attempt to do what they did then. For a start, they would clearly be far from unopposed this time. Then they would find themselves abruptly consigned to the global dog-house. Finally, who is going to locate and extract any oil there if not the British? British engineers, with British equipment operated by British companies.

Maybe they think a bit of sabre rattling is a fair prelude for a cut of the proceeds. which mught not be ubreasonable anyway.

Rachael

That's right, Dave.

Uniquely among the world's secret services, Israel should be giving a running commentary on their secret activities.

Alan Rusbridger give that man a job.

Shaun Harbord

Neil Turner - thanks for your response to my question.

Here's another: you say, Israel can defend itself "using any reasonable means" - does reasonable means include the deaths of civilians killed by rockets aimed at Hamas (and other) militants? Recall the number of times Israel has carried out such attacks and 'unfortunately' caused 'collateral damage.' Then there's the case of mistaken identity in Lillehammer a few years ago. Just think, try to imagine, what might your reaction be if a relative of yours was mistaken for a target or caught in the cross fire of one of these operations. Is that really "using any reasonable means"?

Penny

Tom, it's very unlikely that this man could have been arrested. The ME isn't like Europe where a terrorist would necessarily be given up to Israel by a country finding him within its borders. The consequences of this may not be favourable to the country in question. It is also very unlikely that this man would ever cross into Israel.

Morally, what is correct here? To have intelligence information that this man was in Dubai to secure arms that would be used to kill men, women and children with rockets reaching as far as Tel Aviv, and not act on it at all? Or to take one life to prevent this outcome?

I think we're perhaps best to put ourselves in the shoes of a family living in Tel Aviv. What would your preference be - to allow the wanted man to secure the arms and risk your family's lives, or to kill him before he had the chance to do so - which might also act as a deterrent to others ready to replace him.

Surely, though, we are targeting militants in Iraq and Afghanistan? We aren't fighting a regular army. On Feb 15th, for example, one headline reads 'Offensive against Taliban leaves 27 miltants and 12 civilians dead'. And these Afghanis aren't exactly in our back yard posing a direct threat to us in the UK.

Frank P

It was Ray Gosling wot dun it. He'll tell us about it in a few years time (if his liver doesn't give in meanwhile)in a TV documentary (after a couple of double Glenlivets).

I like the theory that Mossad not only did it, but rubbed the FCO's Arabist jew hating bastard's noses in it by cloning UK passports.

I'll have one them double Glenlivets meself, landlord. I propose a toast; "Here's to Mossad - and another one bites the dust!"

Tom Durkin

"Extra-judicial? Bwaaahahahahaha!

What a wonderful world you inhabit, can I get a passport for it? A cloned Irish one will do - they seem to work with current security arrangements in place.

Mark

Since society has been dumbed down considerably this last years, here is an example that that even the BBC can understand;
STAR WARS: ATTACK OF THE CLONES, the scene which shows Count Dooku escaping the Jedi and finally arriving at his Emperor's hidden lair. Dooku says to him "The war has started, my Lord" to which the emperor replies "Excellent...everything is going as planned" implying that the Dark side is playing both sides (in this case the Jedi and the Droid trade federation) against each other.
Now BBC people; can you perhaps get your faux leftist intelligentsia heads around this possibility?
It's a hit possibly backed by Al-Queda to stir up the proverbial doo-doo in the area and rally people against Israel.

Joe Strummer

The rumour is that the Hamas terrorist Mabhouh was also travelling on a forged passport. Not that this would interest the BBC when reporting on the incident. I just wish our own security forces in Northern Ireland over the last thirty years were as efficient ridding us of IRA terrorists as those who took out Mabhouh in Dubai.

YA

Meanwhile, Israeli embassy in the UK briefly publishes the following ad:

"You heard it here first: Israeli tennis player carries out hit on Dubai target"

??

No it's not about those clumsy "tennis players" in hotel.
It's about "our woman in Dubai" Shahar Peer winning a tennis match there.

Anyway, wish you more victories, and excel in your profession, handsomes and pretties.

Truthtriumphs

Tom Durkin.

I'm glad you're not in charge of Intelligence.

So, if an extra-judicial killing were to prevent another 9/11 and save 3,000 innocent lives, you would be against it?
So what is your prescription for preventing the ruthless killers taking the lives of the innocent?
Do tell us.

Stuart Smith

The artificial "furore" over the use of British passports is nothing but an excuse for trying to generate opprobrium in the UK. And as expected the flames are being enthusiastically fanned by the left-leaning BBC and our leftie-loony government.

I'm British, and I couldn't give a tinker's cuss. I bet a lot of other British people feel the same - could just as well have been passports from any other country, who cares? The UK's got plenty of other things to worry about.

Anyway, one less nasty arms dealing murderer. Plenty more to go. Just hope that whoever may do it, they're dispatched with less fanfare. Nice quiet exits, followed by polite little e-mails to Hamas after the fact would suffice.

And, as the great Ringo Starr might put it, I say all this with much "peace and love".

Tom Durkin

I was aware that naivety will be the claim made against me when arguing that extra judicial killings are a line that should not be crossed but this is scaremongering tactics, whereby I am told that my unwillingness to support said behaviour threatens safety.

I accept that there are ambiguous circumstances i.e. a policeman/security service officer may have to kill someone to directly prevent harm when decisions have to made quickly under imminent threat. In this case action is allowed under law.

That said, surely there must be some acceptance that what occurred in this case, regardless of the origin of those who carried it out, was not an immediate decision to kill in order to directly stop an attack. Given that passports were clearly obtained in advance, and it was planned, I see this as differentiated from emergency measures in its premeditation and that the decision must have been made at a level above that of those who carried out the killing.

I do not need patronising with 'what a wonderful world you inhabit' comments thanks Frank P. But while we are being hostile, care to back up your lunatic assertion about the FCO? And truthtriumphs, if an officer had to kill someone to save 3000 lives I do not believe that would be an extra judicial killing, because in that scenario the officer would not have planned the killings weeks/months in advance. Thus I could be supportive of the action as explained above.

In this case in Dubai, it may well turn out to be pre-meditated state violence, carried out in another jurisdiction with zero accountability – I see no way this can be acceptable behaviour by any state. I hope you are able to see that this is not a defence of Hamas, but from my perspective a defence of Israel and the values it represents.

yaakov haimovic

THE PASSPORTS WHERE NOT FORGED.THEY WERE MADE AND HANDED OVER BY THE MI6 AS A FAVOUR,AND IN EXCHANGE OF A FUTURE IOU.

Neil Turner

Shaun Harbord

"does reasonable means include the deaths of civilians killed by rockets aimed at Hamas (and other) militants?"

Colonel Richard Kemp advised that the IDF had gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza.

Hamas, on the other hand, went to extraordinary lengths to utilise human shields, and place arms and combatants in schools and hospitals

For Hamas, civilians killed = success. For my part, these deaths are regrettable but inevitable under these circumstances

David in Canada

but you forget one thing. muslims, all muslims are inveterate LIARS. it's part of their "religion." and the anti-semites will swallow anything from the islamo-fascists as it suites their Jew hating mindset.

Dr Michael Salt

Yup. My passport's available too.

PS The BBC really has deteriorated to the point of no return.

C. Gee

Tom Durkin:

You borrow concepts from civil criminal law to make a moral case against "extrajudicial killings". You misapply the concepts of mens rea (premeditation raising homicide to murder), offer an incoherent exigent circumstances/imminent threat/heat-of-the-moment defence of hypothetical killing, and confuse individual and state action.

Hamas (a quasi-state actor) is at war with Israel. There is no legal necessity for due process for a state to kill an enemy who has killed its citizens. To be sure, the battlefield is not a field but a luxury hotel, but that is a fact of modern war with ideological extremists.

As for the moral case, it would be immoral and unjust not to assassinate the assassin. If I were an Israeli, I would expect my state to seek out, capture or kill murderers randomly targeting Israeli citizens. The killing of Israelis was meant nationally and should be taken nationally (except of course by the family of the murdered, who take it both nationally and personally).

What I find amusing is the sudden sentimental jingoism that this episode has awoken in British breasts. Britain has pretty well given up any national idea of itself, has no law of treason to speak of, and no longer enforces sedition and incitement against the state. Its passports are EU documents. Yet suddenly, being British and British passports are precious, and umbrage is taken at their 'abuse'. The media and the FO flutter a tiny, ragged Union Jack while Gordon Brown beats a tin drum.

Pathetic, bathetic. Icky.

JW

Useful links here:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/02/18/israel-goes-rogue/

Dixon

MY APOLOGIES FOR BEING PREMATURELYSENILE......................I ACCIDENTALLY POSTED COMMENTS ON TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS IN THE SANME PLACE!!!!!
DOH IS ME!!!

(I wrote them offline and intended to post the latter half them on the thread about Falklands at Coffe House ).

engineerist

that slimebag jeremy vine was in full accusatory swing yesterday with milliband on the prog. it was sickening

Adam B.

Does anyone remember the same Foreign Office outrage a couple of years ago when Russian agents murdered someone who had been granted asylum in the UK, leaving a trail of uranium contamination across London in the process? The victim's crime? Criticizing Putin. The Hamas man killed in Dubai was a murderer, apparently procuring arms for terrorist purposes. As usual, the Foreign Office has its priorities completely inverted. As if they really care about Jewish Britons living in Israel...

Adam B.

Robin Shepherd has an interesting take on this:

http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#more-2163

Penny

Tom - I wouldn't say naivity because it sounds as if you are speaking with values in mind, but I would have to say that the mistake I think we make here in the West, is to assume that our logic, values and mindset can be usefully applied all over the world - and they can't. If we have to fight terrorism, we have to understand the cultures and values that create it, and sometimes we have to fight it on its own terms. Obama has tried what I feel is a 'Western logic and values' format with Iran and it hasn't changed a thing.

If Mossad did this, they may have taken their time to deal with Mahmoud Mahbouh and perhaps they did seek other avenues - it isn't something we can ever know. In some ways, it is better to take time to ensure that you have the right man - and perhaps exhaust other possibilities.

Equally, I think Israel can move very quickly if it has to. The raid on Entebbe, for example, was extremely swift, very effective and probably saved many lives.

I respect your views, Tom, but I honestly think that the aim of this is to save the lives of both Israeli and Palestinian citizens. We know that Hamas is seeking rockets that will reach further and further into Israel, but I think it's also important to remember that such actions risk further outbreaks of war between the two sides and therefore far more death and destruction. It therefore seems to me that the loss of Mahmoud is morally justifiable in order to halt such possibilities in their tracks.

Frank P

Tom Durkin

There is a war on; in war much 'injudicious killing' inevitably goes on, if it is to be won. Malice aforethought is a prerequisite. Trial by jury is suspended for the duration. War is what occurs when law breaks down, when murderous predators threaten and will not be dissuaded or persuaded by judicial niceties; refuse to strike reasonable agreements and strive to 'wipe' other races or religions 'off the face of the earth' for ideological motives or maniacal racial malice. Resisting terrorism in defence of your own, by any means necessary is a patriotic duty and an imperative. It's a great pity - no! - Filthy treason - that our own authorities are appeasing Islamic jihad at every turn while in parallel handing over our sovereign powers to Brussels bureaucracy – wholesale! And if you think that the FCO is not a nest of vipers, then you need to get around more, or better still, just watch the f***rs performing on TV from time to time.

What is 'lunatic', chum, is failing to face up to what is going on and refusing to take steps to avoid our annihilation as a country, a culture and a force for the good. Attempting to deal with profoundly inimical forces by employing the Marquis of Queensbury rules in defence of the Realm (or in Israel's case a racial existential threat) is not only dangerous, it’s stupid. Dhimmitude is what ensues from that. We are well into the throes of it already and one thing that Cameron could do to win a landslide in the incipient election, is to ensure us that he intends to reverse that slide into craven obscurity.

I recommend that you take 7 minutes of your time to watch the following clip on You Tube:

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/cat_enemies_foreign_domestic.php

Pat Condell seems to get it. Cameron should watch it too and take note of how a leader should sound. At the moment he oozes like a pox-doctor's clerk.

Shaun Harbord

Neil Turner - thank you for answering my first question and thank you for avoiding my second question. In doing so you reveal the moral vacuity of the world which you and others who think like you inhabit.

dogsbody

In wars, the enemy is killed or captured; he is not put on trial.

Ed

Regarding the "one million Jews" quote drawn from Douglas Murray's blog.....the man interviewed was one Gordon Thomas. What he actually referred to was half-a-million spies, not one million, who are prepared to “help” Mossad, not execute as Murray claims. Furthermore his book, ‘Gideon’s Spies’, was endorsed by former director general of Mossad, Meir Amit who described his book as “Tells it like it was – and like it is.”

logdon

Does anyone think that Israelis care about our trumpeting and wheezing?

"Passport ‘rage’

19/02/2010 04:13

The pigheaded refusal to acknowledge that sometimes the ends justify the means reflects Europe's moral impoverishment."

www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=169118

Moral impoverishment? Sums it up quite well I thought.

dogsbody

Much of the 'civilised' world, including UK, China, Russia and even USA, assist the organisations and states which murder Jews and prepare to annihilate Israel.
Compared to those crime, the use of forged passports is a mere peccadillo,or rather, a noble act in pursuit of true justice, which states like UK regularly refuse to mete out when the suspects' actions are aimed against Israel or Diaspora Jews.

logdon

C. Gee
February 19th, 2010 6:07pm

What I find amusing is the sudden sentimental jingoism that this episode has awoken in British breasts. Britain has pretty well given up any national idea of itself, has no law of treason to speak of, and no longer enforces sedition and incitement against the state. Its passports are EU documents. Yet suddenly, being British and British passports are precious, and umbrage is taken at their 'abuse'. The media and the FO flutter a tiny, ragged Union Jack while Gordon Brown beats a tin drum."

Add in the hypocrisy of el-Beeb who in any other matter would default to the other guy's side and you're spot on.

myopia

I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Another toxic killer intent on further indescriminate murders on a massive scale has been discreetly put down. What's the fuss?

Paul

"so if it wasn't Mossad surely the Israeli Government would just say it wasnt them?"

Well, Dave, and who in the world would believe them?

Neil Turner

Shaun Harbord

I think the only "moral vacuity" on show is that directed against the State of Israel. I for one am content to be identified with her

Moshe

My passport is available to MI6 or Mossad to help eliminate any Islamic terrorist. We should all rejoice at the demise of this Hamas monster.

Penny

Ed - Meir Amit left Mossad in 1968 - that's 42yrs ago (and, notably, shortly after the Six Day War.) He spent a year in the Knesset, but the rest of his working life in the technology industry.

By contrast, 'Gideon's Spies' deals with conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Diana, Robert Maxwell - even the 'Bill and Monica' affair - and heaven knows what other bizarre notions a conspiracist can weave around a tale in order to sell a book. Needless to say, it is quite impossible for Meir Amit to have had any information or part of events that occurred 30-odd yrs after his departure from Mossad. He may have endorsed the things he knew about and which occurred in his time, but Thomas strays some way from that.

With reference to 'Gideon's Spies', Daniel Pipes, writes:

"In brief, what is reliable in this book is old-hat, while what is new is utterly unreliable, a mishmash of blather and fantasy...."

This quote is part of a fairly in-depth critique by Pipes, who notes historical inaccuracies, inconsistencies, ignorance and faulty understanding of ME cultures and Arabic language (some, I believe, made up, in fact) in Thomas' authorship.

Here are a few references on Pipes, more can be found on his website under the heading 'Biography':

"Daniel Pipes is director of the Middle East Forum and Taube distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University..... The Wall Street Journal calls Mr. Pipes "an authoritative commentator on the Middle East.......He has taught at the University of Chicago, Harvard University, the U.S. Naval War College, and Pepperdine University"

Those are just a couple of references - there are so many more (including his time spent studying in Egypt) that tend to make him a far more credible source than Thomas.

(http://www.danielpipes.org/805/gideons-spies-the-secret-history-of-the-mossad)

JOHN ROOSEVELT

Shaun Harbord wrote: "IF Israel is responsible, do you mean that they can go wherever they like and eliminate who they choose? Whatever happened to the rule of law?"

Indeed. Should this commander of a proscribed terrorist organisation not have been arrested by the Dubai police and given to the US to extradite back to Israel and tried - no doubt found guilty - and hanged?

JOHN ROOSEVELT

Tom Durkin
February 19th, 2010 11:20am
"Extra-judicial killings are not under any circumstances morally justifiable."

Really? Why not?

JOHN ROOSEVELT

TOM DURKIN wrote:"That said, surely there must be some acceptance that what occurred in this case, regardless of the origin of those who carried it out, was not an immediate decision to kill in order to directly stop an attack"

Thanks for that, TOM. YOu are very reassuring.

Actually, these were definitely cops who carried out the killing - just DEEP under cover.

A cop, a cop! My kingdom for a cop!!

Fritz Teich

"Whatever happened to the rule of law?"

myopia

Fritz Teich "Whatever happened to the rule of law?"
A noble sentiment. Unfortunately the rule of law argument has been cynically hijacked by Islamists to stymie any reasonable response to their increasingly vicious, stupid and corrosive undermining of our way of life. Look how they have used 'the rule of law' against Geert Wilders to stifle his quite reasonable exposure of violence and intimidation as a common thread running through the Islamic mindset. Which rule of law are you invoking anyway? Sharia??

myopia

"Whatever happened to the rule of law?"
Just an afterthought. If the rule of law followed was intended to be Sharia, then there's no problem- an eye for an eye and all that. Obeyed to the letter. Sure, they'll all end up blind, but who gives a rat's toss. Should be less trouble for the rest of the civilized world that way.

Rachael Clark

Perhaps one needs to ask one's self, could MI5 or an American covert agency have been envolved and as always used Isreal as a get out of jail free card. I know Isreal does stuff,and better than anyone else. But they don't leave a trail behind they clean up and clean out. Give Mosad some credit, they just would not do anything so vulgar, and if they did it would be because they wanted to be noticed not just blamed!! Maybe even some disenfranchised Hamas type organisation thought they needed to make some changes who knows, do you???

RachaelC

Hello if this was Isreal I cannot for the life of me, and because I lived there, think that they would leave a trail, no no no has to be American they bungle everything, British just can't get it right. Not Isreali style they would have cleaned up and gone in the blink of an eye. Could even have been some disaffected Palastinian group flexing its muscle hoping to put the blame else where..

Herbert Thornton

The tennis racquets were a marvellous touch. They make the whole affair sound like a combination of an Agatha Christie murder mystery and Inspector Clouseau in the Pink Panther .

It all certainly sounds very odd.

Perhaps we should ask ourselves whether we are quite sure that the dead man really was Mahmoud Mabhouh?

Ian Miller

George J, defendcivilisation, Dr Michael Salt & Moshe have all offered their passports for similar operations. They are all offering something that is not theirs give.

The integrity of British passports belongs to the British people as a whole, not to individual passport holders. The actual document (and I quote from the bottom of page 2) "remains the property of Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom and may be withdrawn at my time. It should not be tampered with or passed to an unauthorised person."

This abuse of passports undermines the safety of all Britons travelling to any country where it is suspected Mossad operates. Many people travel to such countries for legitimate reasons that are important to the economic well being of this country. That is what is at issue here. The rights and wrongs of the extrajudicial execution of Mahmoud Mabhouh are purely incidental.

By all means offer anything that you own to the State of Israel, or to anyone else for that matter, but kindly restrict such offers to your own property.

Frank P

Herbert Thornton

"Perhaps we should ask ourselves whether we are quite sure that the dead man really was Mahmoud Mabhouh?"

That's a delicious thought. The plot thickens. Strange that John Terry's Passport was not cloned; then we could have pinned it on Max Clifford. Anyone checked that John Terry is still extant btw - he's been off the front pages for a few days - last spotted in Dubai. Hmm?

J. Isaacs

Frank P. at 8.06 p.m. "At the moment he(Cameron) oozes like a pox-doctor's clerk."

Superb. Noted for future use.

Reggie

The hit on the innocent Gypsy waiter in Norway was a sloppy hit performed by a football team sized Mossad squad. That team killed an innocent man and was arrested by the Norwegian police.

This team that did the hit in Dubai was much more competent than the team in Dubai.

Neil Craig

The evidence against Israel here seems as conclusive as the evidence that the poisoning of Milosevic was carried out by British secret service agents in the ICTY (it had to be an inside job, the staff there are made up largely of UK & US agents & the US has a specific law against assainating heads of government).

That gets no coverage at all. Of course 1 differencr is that Milosevic was not a genocidal racist thug (indeed the only reason he needed poisoning was because in 4 1/2 years of "trial" no evidence against him had been produced). Another possible reason is that the Milosevic murder wasn't carried out by Israelis.

There are many many equally or less deserving people killed in western "executive action", extraordinary rendition & other euphamisms by, or with the asistance of our own government. A little less hypocrisy would be welcome.

Robert (Northants)

As far as I'm concerned, whoever did this deserves a medal for ridding the world of another terrorist who'd slit your throat as soon as look at you. This terrorist, Mahmoud Mabhouh, is where he belongs: six feet under!

Herbert Thornton

As Frank P says, the plot thickens, so how about thickening it up still more?

According to some reports, Dubai authorities first believed al-Mabhouh had died of natural causes, but that Pathologists later determined the cause of death as asphyxiation, probably with a pillow found near the body.

So here's yet another speculation - that al-Mabhouh was addicted to erotic asphyxiation* - and that he went to Dubai in order to indulge himself in it - but this time the episode went wrong.

So, would there not be an overwhelming eagerness to cover it up - and indeed to kill two birds with one stone - by concocting this bizarre, Monty Python-like story, trying to pin it all on Mossad?

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation

Yossifon

Mellany, the bottom line is - the Brittish media has been smoked out; it mourns a Hamas operative. So we got both a dead bad guy, and a full exposure of the media and some the embassadors of hypocricy

Trumpeldor

@Melanie,

My knowledge about "Mossad" is not thorough but each active unit is believed to consist of a "katsa" aka field officer and 3 assistants or "sayanim" which makes a 4 people cell.
This is clearly far from the huge 11 people crowd involved according to the dubious Dubai police scenario.
Besides,I do not think Dagan's agents would have been filmed by the cctv camera network...
A very awkward setup in the tradition ofthe worst Holywood movie...
It was just the nice pretext for al beep to cast the disloyalty curse over all the Jewish Community in Britain.
If most UK citizens agree with all beep view of truncated morality,they really deserve the demise of their once glorious and mighty Empire

blue_&_white_avenger

Frank P.
Many thanks for http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/cat_enemies_foreign_domestic.php
tremendous !

Andy

I have serious doubts as to whether this was actually a Mossad operation. It was something they did years ago, but this comes across as somewhat amateurish. This is no longer their style.

The Israelis are just too darn clever. Ask any surrounding nation that has tried to mix it with them.

St Bruno

Another good one, Melanie, if I may say so.

What a tangled web of international intrigue the alleged murder of Mahmoud Mabhouh has caused.
Accusations fly hither and thither, the BBC and the British press get hot under their collars, rant and rave about the alleged implication of Israel and western countries.

However, what is known about the murder? I mean what do we know about the real facts of the matter? Very little in truth.

Most, if not all, we know is from the authorities in Dubai, the rest is from a rabid exercise of finger pointing by the anti-Israel lobbyists and journalists.

According to the BBC TV:
Mahmoud Mabhouh was in Dubai, so we are told, to arrange arms or equipment for Hamas from Iran.
If the Dubai authorities know that now and say so, did they know and condone his visit before his demise?
He was killed on the 20th January 2010 at a hotel in Dubai. He was killed in his hotel room by suffocation with a pillow after firstly, being tortured by electric shocks of many thousands of volts. Why highlight this form of killing? Why did he not make a lot of noise when thousands of volts were running through his body? Obviously the work of Israel and its secret organisations.
Can’t we and the people of Palestine see evidence of his death and where is he buried according to Islamic laws? Was he sent back to Palestine, if so when and how? Where are the mourning masses in the streets of Gaza shouting outrage against Israel? Indeed, on the TV a couple of days ago. Where is the UN resolution against Israel and the West? Soon, I should imagine.

We are not told when the body of Mahmoud Mabhouh was discovered or by whom. Why wait until a few days ago to release the ‘news’ to an unsuspecting world that is expected to believe every word? The Dubai authorities have had many days of pursuing their enquiries for the possible culprit or culprits, with no results. Only an Israeli would wish to kill a treasured one of Hamas in our wondrous Emirate. CCTV images prove nothing except that many Europeans stay at the hotel. If the British can produce a passport so can any State, with the money and contacts, produce a perfect forgery for a quick visit. There must be many thousands of passport details on the UAE computers all with photographs and personal details.

For me, the whole business seems to be a not so hidden agenda to increase the constant pressure from the Muslim world against Israel and the West. It is sad that a once impartial state like the UAE should now choose to side with active terrorists, instead of telling the world the truth sooner, but there again, maybe it is naïve to expect the truth where secrecy is the name of the game when Jihad is concerned. Undoubtedly, the hidden societies of the Islamic world are purposely kept from worldly gaze whereas every detail of Israel and the West is investigated, discussed and criticised in public by the world’s free press.

John.

Readers of these columns may find this interesting - and shocking. Holocaust.pps (application/Und.ms - powerpoint) 1 - 315 - 00k Also The absurd trial of Geert Wilders - Uncategorized - Maclean.ca

Dixon

Funny how whilst theres all this pompous guff about abuse of British documents, the government dont seem to bothered that two of its actual living (just) breathing (for the moment ) citizens are enduring months of captivity at the hands of a gang of Muslim pirates in Somalia.

Curious how the British beurocrat rates abuse of his paper-work as more significant than the ill-treatment of citizens.

Andy Smith

Another Islamist terrorist dies ... the world is a slightly safer place.

Are the FCO serious? Cut off relations with Mossad? Which intelligence agency can give MI6 the best intelligence about Islamist terrorists operating in this country?

Enough of the hypocricy already. We Brits murdered the IRA in Gibraltar (and in Northern Ireland) and the world was a safer place as a result. I bet the killers who travelled to Gibraltar didn't use their own passports with "Profession: Assassin" in them.

Personally I doubt that Mossad carried out this poorly-executed mission but I'm sure they won't be unhappy to see another Hamas murderer bite the dust. The rest of the world should rejoice that a man prepared to commit mass murder has met his end ... or would thr trendy Lefties prefer that this country had been overrun by Hitler in the 1940s? Islamist terrorists have the same aims as Hitler and are a lot more ruthless. Like any cancer they have to be forcefully rooted out wherever they appear.

Archie

Ian Miller: you cannot be serious! The integrity of a British passport? When every would-be jihadi immigrant and those already living here can import a bride and their progeny can all lay claim to a British passport? Masses of integrity there! What nonsense you spout!

Derek

St. Bruno

Some very good questions, particularly since we have been told that the hotel room in which the terrorist leader was supposedly murdered not only had, by choice, no balcony and sealed windows

{http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1146911.html),

but that also "The door on al-Mabhouh’s room was latched and chained from the inside" when the body was said to have been discovered.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/dubai-assassination-has-hallmarks-of-mossad/

roger

The usual anti-Israel propaganda from Jeremy Bowen on al-Beeb:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8524170.stm

''And he was an enemy of Israel, according to the press there, involved with arms shipments into Gaza.

In the kind of phrase Israelis use, he had Jewish blood on his hands. ''

Note the phrase 'according to the press there' when in fact he WAS an enemy of Israel.
And the particularly toxic 'in the kind of phrase Israelis use', when in fact he DID have Jewish blood on his hands.Just imagine Bowen writing 'in the kind of phrase Americans and British use'or 'according to the the UK press'. Pure bigotry.

yaakov haimovic

the hamas is pro iranian (practically owned by iran).the dubais fear iran want to rule the persian gulf.ergo:the dubais+the israelis+the brit(BP)execute a member of the hamas.

logdon

Fritz Teich
February 20th, 2010 12:41am

"Whatever happened to the rule of law?"

Replaced by the rule of war.

'War is deceit'

Mohammed.

blue_&_white_avenger

It's amazing how much froth is generated in the UK news-media & how genuine important stuff is virtually ignored. There's this fuss today about the death of a known murderer and the passports used; did the UK prime minister bully somebody (i.e shout at them); did MI6 torture another suspected murderer from Afghanistan. So what?
In the meantime, Iran continues to persecute its political opponents & it builds the bomb. In Holland, the Dutch Authorities have declared war on truth and free speech -about which the BEEB has reported precious little.
Why are we fiddling while Rome, London & Amsterdam burn ??

Omri Schwarz

To all the British citizens who complain about the use of British passports for this operation, I must point this out: your country's soil has been the site of Hamas fundraising organized by a member of your parliament.

And until that stops, you have absolutely no standing to complain about the use of British passports.

Wolf T.

The real issue of stolen British identities lies with the millions of muslims residing in formerly Great Britain and claiming to be englishmen!

Merlyn

There is a war.
The Jews are leaving a Swedish city because of antisemitism mostly to go to Israel.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/7278532/Jews-leave-Swedish-city-after-sharp-rise-in-anti-Semitic-hate-crimes.html

Robbit

Frank P ... I am joining you in a wee dram. Cheers!

phil

The hypocrisy here is amazing -I seem to remember Britain using the dead body of a man to dump in the sea to fool the nazis ,is that better than a passport ? We were at war and Israel has been in that state for over 60 years ,When the world screams as much as this if children in Jerusalem are blown up I will reconsider my feelings on this "serious" matter of passports .Meanwhile it has not been proved that in fact it was Israel that committed the assassination ,nevertheless certain parts of the media have leapt upon it with glee ,and in particular as usual the BBC .The world is rid of an evil man and I will shed no crocodile tears for him nor for the fact, that offence has been caused over passports,they are of course pieces of paper and the children I referred to were human beings.

Liz

Tucked away under the BAFTA winners headlines is the fact that 27 Afghanistan civilians were killed in Nato airstrikes today. Which British academics will be targeted? Which British politicians will be arrested? It seems that collateral damage caused by the elimination of terrorists is only a matter of outrage when Israel is involved.

just Louise

Meanwhile, British antisemitism proceeds apace: as reported on the Jewish Chronicle website, Manchester University Students Union has voted to ban Israeli speakers from giving talks on any subject at the Union.

(Truly, Fascism is respectable - so long as only "Zionists" are its victims.)

stephen maybery

Whoever did this we should all of us be greatful that someone out there had this guts to take this muderous terrorist out, my only sorrow is that this country lacks the guts to take action over they who hate us and and activly plot to do us harm. If it was Israel who masterminded and carried out this execution, then all I can say is keep up the good work, and next time try taking a pop at George Galloway

steve

Sorry, you can't have it both ways. If this person was a threat to Israel then Israel had the right to deal with him. However, don't turn around and suggest that some other country did Israel's dirty work for it. Israel has had such operations go wrong in the past (1997 in Jordan against the political head of Hamas when two Mossad agents were caught using Canadian passports; 1973 when Mossad mistakenly killed a Morrocan waiter in Norway). And the UK has the right to be angry about British passports being used just as the other European countries do and as Canada did in 1997 and just as Israel would if another country used its passports.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

It is a good sign the world is winning the "war on terror"

Stuart Smith

Wolf T. at 8.39am has a good point! I must say that years ago, when I heard on the news that "...a British citizen had been... arrested/ killed/ taken hostage/ caught smuggling drugs/ done on terrorism grounds etc" in some far off place, I used to think, oh deary me.

Nowadays, my first reaction is to wonder - what sort of British citizen? Half the time it turns out to be some Iqbal-come-lately. And despite feeble protests by Jack Straw et al, most of the time I reckon they're just getting whatever's coming to them.

The sad thing is, I no longer feel any sense of national solidarity with someone just because they're a British passport holder.

That's what comes from handing the things out like confetti - cheapens the brand, and also gives the lie to the faux outrage we've been subjected to over mossad supposedly using our passports.

Baron Pippin II

The alleged assassins caught on the camera were just decoys. The real ones went by unnoticed. The blonde woman has all the features of a man dressed to attract attention. The behaviour of the others, too, suggest that they wanted to be caught by the cameras. If the operation was planned by Mossad how likely is it that they wouldn’t have known about the hotel cameras? The Dubai’s Authorities are barking at the wrong tree.

blue_&_white_avenger

Sorry to prolong this!
I glanced at someone's Guardian article whilst on the bus (I was on the bus). Headline read: "Murdered Hamas Official was betrayed, say Dubai police"
Below that was another article (it's surprising what I can read over someone's shoulder & NO I didn't buy it!):
"Marines kill Abu Sayyaf leader with Al Qaida links ---Philipine marines kill.."
Note that, 'cos the press have deduced that Israel dun it, it was murder whereas anyone else taking out a terrorist it's killing".
Doesn't get any better, does it!?

Terry in Oz

A racist, nazi style genocide murderer has been sent to hell. Whoever killed it did the civilised world a favour. It represents an islamofascist enemy that has unilaterally declared war on teh west and on all civilised values. In war, expect casualties. Nobody will miss this cockroach, least of all the families and friends of its victims to date.

If Israel is responsible for its death, then current criticism is yellow spined europe might like to observe how to eliminate terrorism in a practical way.

Jack Lacton

Mahmoud Mabhouh enters Dubai on a false passport. No problem.

Assassins enter on false passports and all hell breaks loose.

David, Thailand

As usual the rabid Brit media, led by BBC stormtroopers, are more concerned with the breach of democratic niceties than ridding the civilised world of this particular scourge.

Graeme Anderssen

The extent of the rabid Israel bashing is such that if it was possible for Israel to have participated in the defence of Britain in September 1940, the UK media (of today) would condemn the extrajudicial killings and assassinations of the German aircrews.
Reading The Times, anyone would think that the Mossad just took out Mother Theresa.

Graeme Anderssen

As if MI6 don't routinely use false flag operations under false passports and bogus identities (which if coincide with a living person, become "stolen")

Rob H

If Israel did it and used British passports so what? Perhaps if Britain stated they have never used phoney passports to kill foreign enemies they might have a case. I somehow doubt this will be forthcoming.

Frank P

For those still interested in this subject I recommend the latest treatise from George Friedman of Stratfor - one of the best intel analysts in the West.

Frank P

Sorry - the link:

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20100222_utility_assassination?utm_source=GWeeklyE&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=100222&utm_content=readmore&elq=6b8a989d6e01447bb30adf131e87869d

Travis

Does anyone for a moment think that MI-6, the CIA, the Deuxieme Bureau et al does not use forged passports? A brutal murderer who planned on murdering again is dead. The world is better off. This was no more immoral then in 1942 when the RAF parachuted tow Czechoslovaks into Czechoslovakia to eliminate Reinhard Heydrich.

Mrs.Josephine Hyde-Hartley

That old principle "like cures like" springs to my mind. What else are we supposed to think if it's true as it may seem that one "genocidal murderer" has been wiped out by another? Another phrase which springs to mind is "If you can't beat em, join em" which is equally disgusting to ponder upon. I sincerely hope people working for governments or any other business in whatever capacity have got the sense to make sure they are properly regulated. It seems some may be capable of anything, anytime, anywhere in public which is quite inappropriate. For these reasons it seems fairly clear that if any one is being "set up" it is the common citizen going about their normal daily life. The citizen and our freedom to be at large in the public space or commons or whatever we want to call it should be predominantly the concern of all of us.

Podorunok

Everyone is free to trust, in what he wants. I only against to force all to trust in something one