No longer Londonistan but Hamastan

terence patrick hewett

Yes; Mehdi Hassan nearly let the cat out of the bag by calling us all the K-word.

Worried

The issue is that Britain has been bought. There is no more duplicitous individual as the Brit. For all the grandstanding against American capitalist excess, if you offer dirty money to 10 Brits and 10 Americans - and they both know where the money is coming from, be assured, a larger proportion of Brits will take the money, no matter the ethical considerations.

Money is a well conceived convenient alternative to bartering, but it is also a powerful weapon to be used to buy influence. And right now, with the UK bankrupt, more and more vulnerable and disillusioned people are rich pickings for the forces of repression.

Remember, humans only really gain pleasure from a few things:

1. Sex
2. Chocolate or other pleasure inducing food
3. Helping others
4. Power / Pride / Control
5. Sports / Adrenalin

Some will work for it. Some will reject it. Some will want as much as they can no matter how. Some will go with the flow.

Right, back to work.

Liz

Not just every MP, Melanie. Where can members of the public see this Report?

Jeremy

Worried:

"Remember, humans only really gain pleasure from a few things..."

My list would be as follows:

1 A cup of tea

2 A biscuit

3 A cigarette

4 A book, or comic...

5 And some pens

blue_&_white_avenger

Watching Jeremy Bowen banging away with rightful indignation Israel's inhumanity in not letting cement & other building materials into Gaza, there's a certain forgetfulness involved.
At no time does he mention that Hamas is at war with Israel & that its objective is Israel's destruction.
As far as I know, there's no country in history which has allowed any materials to enter the terrority of its enemy at wartime - except maybe Stalinist Russia to the nazis until they were invaded

Andy Gill

Al Fateh is clearly antisemitic, and in flagrant breach of Britain's race-hate laws. Why aren't the publishers and distributors being prosecuted?

It would seem a simple matter for the Israeli embassy to file a complaint, and get these vicious hate-mongers in front of a court and subjected to the punishments and public vilification they deserve.

michael

That old cherry...freedom of speech.

It sells but at what price?

logdon

Melanie answers this by her own piece in todays Mail.

www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=718

We are derided the world over as the soft touch capital of islamisation. Mark Steyn's America Alone outlines the why's and wherefore's and how within a couple of decades Britain will be Europe's first shariah state.

I can't see this happening without a fight and I reckon rioting and bloodshed will rock our cities with sizable muslim populations as never before.

The Northern riots were a portent and flexing of muscles by Pakistanis who, unable to fit in with the kuffar ways or even co-exist, demonstrated their power by destruction and violence.

The Cantle Report whitewashed the real reasons of Islamic supremacy and intransigence, instead shifting the blame to whitey and the provocation of those nasty BNP activists.

We too have been sorely provoked, and a thousandfold more by the London Bombings, the Cartoon Demo's, Choudary' Wooton Basset outrage and countless terror attempts but did we react by trashing and torching Muslim communities and businesses?

The answer is no, therefore we see a complete double standard.

Muslims excused by the canard of provocation. Meanwhile the provocation against us has reached insane levels and we retain a reasonable level of composure.

All we have to do is look to Pakistan and the ME for the answer where violence is a norm and macho posture is lauded.

We have imported that culture of outrage and anger. Multiculturalism aids and abetts it’s legitimacy and ghetto’s of hate abound, virtually untouched by British law except in the most outrageous of cases where would be terror plots are uncovered.

Meanwhile those who point this out and resolve to repair the damage are villified, attacked by skewed law and suffer the indignation of Wilders, now assailed both by muslim death threat, state persecution and a prisoner in his own land.

Todays good news however is that not all are as emasculated as our government and lawmakers. I see that the bent and bullying race baiting copper, Ali Dizaei has received an element of comeuppance in prison where he’s been assaulted by fellow prisoners. OK, I know its wrong but if the IRA can be excused for its extra judicial violence this punishment also surely has an element of excuse?

Or is it the same, old same old?

jeremy

Compare this to Miliband's "outrage" that Israel may have used British passports to assasinate a Hamas Terrorist

GaryO

Support for Hamas in British universities is phenomenal. The "progressive" left has virtually monopolised the academia, which doesn't bode well for the future. If we think things are bad now, wait till today's students become tomorrow's tax paying citizens.

Graeme Thompson

logdon, your comments on Mr Dizaei are an utter disgrace. No civilised person can rejoice in another human being suffering what he suffered, no matter how bad or evil that person is.

Wat t Tyler

In the university that my wife attends they are having a "Discovering Islam" week. You will not be surprised to hear that the same people who organise this are the same holding a permanent protest against Israel. The message then cannot be ignored. Islam = anti-Israel.

I don't think that Cast-Iron has the Cahoonas to act on law against this kind of activity. The reason they are emboldened is because we have been so weak. The Graeme Thompsons of the world actually facilitate their own enslavement - the yoghurt knitting tw*t.

logdon

Graeme Thompson
February 24th, 2010 1:38pm

How very noble.

Yuval B.

And in case you were wondering what is British law enforcement conrened with whilst all this is happening -
http://www.edlmedia.com/1.html
http://www.edlmedia.com/1_1.html

logdon

Wat t Tyler
February 24th, 2010 1:54pm

The Graeme Thompsons of this world can't even string a literate sentence together.

The state may pummel the weak into acceptance but unfortunately seems unable to educate them.

logdon

This just in from the arutz sheva site

Britain Is New Hamas Hub
by Malkah Fleisher Britain Is New Hamas Hub

In the last 10 years, London has become the primary worldwide bastion of Hamas, according to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, a non-governmental organization dedicated to the memory of fallen Israeli Intelligence Community agents.

Britain in recent years has consitituted a legal threat to Israeli officials who are being accused of harming PA Arabs. An arrest warrant issued in December against opposition leader Tzipi Livni is just one instance of an aggressive stance toward the Jewish State.

In 2005, General Doron Almog was informed by Israel's ambassador to Britain that he may be arrested if he exited his plane in London. He chose to stay aboard and return to Israel after having traveled to England to raise money for a charity.

The Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center report shows that these incidents are not accidental, but rather concentrated political activity by the Hamas terror organization. The findings say London has become the epicenter of Hamas' political, legal, and propaganda campaigns in Europe. Hamas operatives note that they have been particularly successful, with the assistance of the Muslim Brotherhood, in controlling the discourse regarding Arabs in Israel, and initiating widespread anti-Zionism throughout the country.

The report estimates that Britain's value in Hamas's eyes stems from a series of advantages that Hamas finds in that country:

A. Political freedom and freedom of speech prevailing in Britain allows Hamas to promote anti-Zionism freely. Hamas takes advantage of British democracy to spread incitement against Israel and lash out against Israel and the Jewish people. This is despite Hamas' distinction as a terrorist organization by the European Union. Though activities by terror groups is technically illegal in Britain, the legal system has shown great tolerance, which has been exploited by radical Islamic elements, including Hamas.

B. A broad infrastructure of activists, supporters, and collaborators consisting of Hamas activists who took refuge in Britain in the 1990s, as well as radical Islamic elements such as prominent members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and radical leftist organizations which are hostile to Israel and the West. This team is enabling Hamas to reach into the political, media and academic arenas in Britain.

C. Britain is one of the world's most important communications hubs, especially when it comes to Arab media such as newspapers, Internet, and television. Hamas exploits Arab media operating in London to spread its messages in the Muslim communities of the world, including Western countries and the Middle East.

D. Hamas is exploiting aspects of the British legal system which enable them to file lawsuits in British courts against senior officers and political figures in Israel for "war crimes." This has created a convenient situation in which Hamas, with the support of the British infrastructure, is leveraging the Goldstone report in order to prosecute Israeli public fiures and de-legitimize Israel.

The report says Hamas works hard to conceal their activities and avoid prosecution, rarely attributing to themselves the disinformation and advocacy of violence they publish and distribute. Because they consider children to be a primary target for their messaging, they spend a lot of effort writing anti-Israel and pro-war propaganda for minors.

Hamas also uses British organizations, politicians, and other channels to garner money and supplies for use in Gaza, according to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center.

Wolf Terner

No wonder England, downgraded from formerly self proclaimed Great Britain, is on a downward spiral. There is not a single country in the world that has pesecuted the Jews that have amounted to much. Those that were great became less so, like Spain. Eastern Europe has never, and will never amount to much. The Arab lands, forget about it. Iran and Iraq were prosperous while entertaining a large Jewish population. Egypt is a cessspool. Germany was thoroughly decimated after declaring war on the Jews. The Dutch became a mercantile power after absorbing Jewish refugees fleeing the Spanish inquisition.
France is being devoured by its muslim inhabitants, Belgium and Norway not far behind. If England continues in its current anti Jewish stance, a position it first embraced back in the 1920's, it will become the Venezuela of Europe. Yes, Chavez taking on the Jews have really helped that country. Of course, hating the Jew and seeing its consequences makes warring against God and His people a zero sum game, producing more rage, impotence and hatred.

Dixon

Well, nothing new there. I could broadly see this begin happenning in London thirty years ago.

On the other hand, I cannot understand why Israel cannot deploy some better spokes-people to put their case on the rare occasions they get a chance to in the British media. These rare moments are like gold-dust and they are invariably squandered by allotting them to that Mark Regev. He often says the right things, but in a manner and style that comes accross as hectoring and aggressive...like the spokespiece of a tyranny in fact...exactly what interviewers like Jon Snow want!

Its almost as though Israel needs a good PR company. Max Clifford would be better.

Dixon

"Graeme Thompson
February 24th, 2010 1:38pm
logdon, your comments on Mr Dizaei are an utter disgrace. No civilised person can rejoice in another human being suffering what he suffered, no matter how bad or evil that person is."

"Civilised" literally means "living in a city". I live in a city. So by definition I am civilised. I also rejoice in these reports of Dizais fate in prison. In fact, when he was found guilty I immediately took delight in the almost certain prospect that it would happen. Moreover, I rejoice in the almost certain prospect that it will get worse for him, until he is put away in a special wing, with some of the worst sex-offenders and child-killers perhaps.

Its called "poetic justice".

terence patrick hewett

@ Wolf Terner

The “Great” in Great Britain does not refer to the level of its magnificence but to the measure of its geographical magnitude. It refers to the result of the union of the Kingdom of England (which included Wales) and the Kingdom of Scotland in 1707; that is, it is a greater rather than a lesser Britain. The state of Great Britain is confused in many minds with that of England (and indeed was so used in the past) and also that of the United Kingdom; neither is synonymous. The United Kingdom was formed by the inclusion of the Kingdom of Ireland by the Act of Union 1800; then in 1922 with the creation of the Irish Free State, became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Whatever form of words we use, it upsets somebody and lands us in the soup. Fun isn’t it.

YA

In Germany, people disclose their religious affiliation to the tax office. Government then allocates funds for religion-related projects in proportion to the taxes contributed by corresponding religious groups. Still that doesn't look fair to unbelievers (not sure on details, frankly), - but at least a vague idea of justice is implemented, not allowing to a religious group to spend money that it haven't earned.

In the UK, as it was reported many times in the media, - Government, following an advise of some murky unelected quangos, funds Islamic "religion"-related projects of the type "while you pay, we don't riot (engage in terrorism, etc.)" - without any control or
accountability. This is clearly a malpractice, and it must be stopped. So why not to ask politicians - who should be listeing attentively in these pre-election times - can we get it on this front, for the beginning, at least as in Germany?

Lemac the cameL

Great article as always. You do point out the villains mozlam and dhimmi alike. But you never point out or suggest any heroes, leaders or hope. I Like Malcolm Pearson but he just doesn'thave enough of what it takes. Where do you stand on the UKIP, SIOE,EDL and the BNP?

blue_&_white_avenger

YA - I agree.
But you should know that "Call me Dave" has instituted a quota to have a set of ethnic minorities represented in his party (I think the Socialists do similarly). So "equality" doesn't mean that every candidate is on an even playing field.
OK - I know that Jews have often held up to 10% of parliamentary seats; that was just due to ability and often despite prejudice .

Edward McLaughlin

As Dixon, I knew this was on its way thirty years ago and so did any right-minded person who lived in our blighted areas.

This, like all your output Melanie, I applaud but I have to ask two questions: respectfully, what took you so long; and why are so many in your profession, who should open their eyes and speak up; why are they unable to comprehend?

Due to such myopia, I fear this is now going to be very, very bloody for all who live in this land, and it needn't have been that way.

Liz

Dixon. I've often worried about bizarre absence of a strong Israeli voice, one that defends its position and points out the numbing hypocrisy of Europe - which would never demand the same strictures for its' defense as it does to Israel for hers. Afghanistan is but one stunning example wherein, collateral damage is an accepted but regrettable by- product of war for NATO but is not countenanced for Israel. Perhaps the problem is this. Israel is just never allowed to speak, without the howls of right-on university types baying in the background. Israeli academics are banned, their politicians faced with arrest and their athletes subject to boycott and abuse. Israel is seldom given the chance to state its case. Perhaps they've given up with the enfeebled West and reckon that they're better off getting on with the job of protecting their citizens without the help of governments or media like ours who obviously have no idea what they're up against. Or who really don't care.

YA

Liz, Dixon,

That's all not about Israel, rather about better Britain.

Jihadis aren't the brightest folk among people. Without opportunity to blackmail and steal from others, and without access to oil/terror money, they will be strongly weakened. By cutting just these two sources of their existence, one could stabilize situation and at least win some time for R&D on synthetic oils, nuclear/solar energy - everything that could diminish financial and demographic press of Middle-Eastern tyrannies.

There are no politicians in the UK who could even articulate this, unfortunately. The reason is, that the ideology of political Islam is still considered an acceptable feature of multicultural landscape. Whereas in reality, it is Dark Tower of Mordor in construction.

There are just no people like Geert Wilders in the UK. For now.

Jez

@ Lemac the cameL.

the EDL latest;

Their main organiser Tommy Robinson was stopped on route to a demo in Edinburgh, his house trashed by anti-Terrorist police, his parents house trashed by anti-Terrorist police and (allegedly) had semi-automatic weapons brandished by the police in front of his two young children.

Hmmm... i don't hear any sort of trendy liberal indignation we were all treated to when Nulab banned Choudry... er, from using a title/name for his band of crazies.

Yep. It sucks.

Sam Murray

"An online bi-weekly Hamas magazine is published in London. Called Al-Fateh, it is aimed at children, who a very important Hamas target audience."

Just pointing out a spelling mistake there!

I don't think many Western, or British readers in 2010 are aware of how unfair the Iranian oil deal was in the 1950's, or that fairer business practices may well have averted the problems Irans enemies have experienced over the decades; hostage taking, their anti-American stance, and their funding of terrorism in Israel - a US ally of sorts and also a nuclear armed state.

Operation Cast Lead was pretty controversial and was met with widespread popular and media opposition; but I doubt British citizens actually know what its like to live in a threatened country, with a high rate of terrorist crime. If the issue of a court case against Livni, Netenyahu and others is brought to light I would hope that a balanced examination of the issues and good legal practice prevails.

Sam Armstrong

Graeme Thompson: can't we just be allowed a little smile on the corner of our faces? Not even just one? I thought it was good when bullies got their comeuppance.

THX1138

George Galloway calls out Melanie Phillips as coward on Twitter about this post:

"Amazing how brave she is on paper but how little she said to my face on Question Time."

http://twitter.com/georgegalloway

Suffolkbor

THX1138:

George galloway knows very well that Question Time is a rigged forum and that people with opposing views to his own cannot simply hold forth and dissemble said opponents arguments outside the time constrictions of the programme.

Simon Heffer is equally disdainful and passionately opposed to what galloway and others of his ilk who have wreaked such great damage on our nation and it,s social structure stand for but on the occasions that he has appeared on QT he has been somewhat more restrained than in his column for the Telegraph .

I guess Ms. Phillips and Mr. Heffer know the rules of the game and their subsequent limitations .

You obviously don,t.

Angie

Twitter! How suitable a platform for THX1138 and Galloway. Backs up what Cameron said about its users having to be a bit of a...

Chris

Mel - look into the Yes For Mayor campaign in Tower Hamlets. George Galloway is one of the prime movers in this campaign & if they win they will control a £1 billion budget. A quick scan of some of the facebook profiles of the campaign's supporters quickly tip you off that this is a very Hamas-friendly if not Hamas instigated campaign http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=271578318935&ref=mf

Worried

@Wolf Terner: Spot on. New York is a prime example too.

THX1138

Suffolkbor -I'm only the messenger

Angie- Perhaps you would also like to address you snide remarks about Twitter to:

http://twitter.com/susanhillwriter

http://twitter.com/pete_hoskin

http://twitter.com/alexmassie

Celina

However, there was this printed in the Times,there is light at the end of the tunnel...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7039011.ece

john Norman

Let's see how UK-Hamastan behaves when an Argentinian force attempts to claim the Falklands, supported by the whole of Latin-America. And how the UN reacts when UK forces have to defend the islands as hundreds of rockets fall daily on Falkland-UK. Should be an interesting event.

Dixon

"THX1138
February 24th, 2010 7:47pm
George Galloway calls out Melanie Phillips as coward on Twitter about this post:

"Amazing how brave she is on paper but how little she said to my face on Question Time."

Its amazing how brave he is when accompanied everywhere by "religious" fellows in leather jackets and protected by the obscene British libel laws.

Dixon

"YA
February 24th, 2010 3:42pm
In Germany, people disclose their religious affiliation to the tax office. Government then allocates funds for religion-related projects in proportion to the taxes contributed by corresponding religious groups. Still that doesn't look fair to unbelievers (not sure on details, frankly), - but at least a vague idea of justice is implemented, not allowing to a religious group to spend money that it haven't earned."

Does that mean if enough people put down "Jedi" their taxes will go to the DLR?

Rachael Clark

Is there a country left in the western world with english sounding nsmes that the dubai police haven't blamed yet? Does no one want to ask what these people are smoking> I f it wasn't so sad it would be funny. Britain isn't britain,it is some re inhabited country of people that Enoch Powell all those years ago warned us about, did anyone listen no... I live in Sydney, we are relatively cocooned here from all of this, but if we drop our guard for 1 nano second it will happen here too. Find pride england find the guts to send those evil doers back to where they came from. Dont let the governments buy of your future. Be an individual for once in your life.Otherwise the peice of free speach and free press and freedom of movement, and all those lovely things we all take for granted will be gone behind and life as we all know will be over. Think hard think fast,and dont let anyone give you a soft sell of poor Palastinians, they take our money and all they do is blow everything up....including there own children

Raymond in DC

Edward McLaughlin writes, "respectfully, what took you [Melanie] so long; and why are so many in your profession, who should open their eyes and speak up; why are they unable to comprehend?"

Thomas Sowell, economist and social commentator, writes of this matter in "Intellectuals and Society". He puts journalists into the category of "intellectuals" whose sole product is ideas. And too many of them are wedded to a vision of society irrespective of the deficiencies of that vision, to a certain "truth" despite evidence of their fallacy. As part of their role, they "filter" out what runs contrary to that vision - to themselves and to the rest of us. That's why journalists leapt into action when Israel listed undeniably Jewish sites in Hebron and Bethlehem as part of Israel's historic heritage, but remain silent over disclosures of sexual impropriety and rampant financial corruption in the Palestinian Authority.

I hesitate to accept the term Hamastan only because London is not just a center of Hamas activity in the EU but a comfortable staging ground for radical Muslims of every stripe. It is, in fact, the West's own terror gateway.

I wonder though if, after the television "expose" of the so-called "Israel Lobby", they will turn their attention to the "Hamas Lobby" next. I won't hold my breath.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Remember humans gain pleasure from this and that which humans are you talking about worried? The westerners or the others? How about when other ones get pleasure abusing non believers and women, molesting and not telling the truth, stealing their money, abusing and brain washing children to believe crazy things, hating animals like dogs, all humans are not the same some are civilised and some are violent animals who don't gain pleasure from making love but war

Derek Pasquill

Yes, Terrorstan-on-Thames, while the FCO mimicks the three wise monkeys.

Isaac Bickerstaff

The way international relations work throws up some oddities, perhaps because we are all tempted at one time or another to be selective in how we think international law should be applied.

I never quite got the hang of the treatment of the ANC and the apartheid government. The ANC was proscribed by the US and its allies as a terrorist organization. The apartheid regime was the legitimate government of a legitimate state, with embassies around the world, financial and military support from the US and its allies etc. Yet the apartheid government was engaged in illegal war against its neighbours that killed hundreds of thousands. ANC fundraisers, supporters etc. were vilified for aiding terrorists against the established order, against the strategic interests of their own countries, against law and decency...

I also never got the hang of Nicaragua. The Sandinistas overthrew the legitimate regime of Somoza, who was a great friend and ally of the US, but a tyrant (or capo di tutti capi) to his own people. The Sandinistas then won elections deemed fair by international observers, and were recognized as the legitimate government by their neighbours and by governments around the world. But not by the US, which set up, funded and trained "contras" and urged them to attack civilian targets. The "contras" were not proscribed by the US. The "contras" were "freedom fighters" who were allowed to operate freely in the US and in the client states of the US. Their atrocities are well attested...

A state that acts illegally in killing civilians is apparently better (according to the US and its allies) than any other group that acts illegally and kills many fewer (terrorists) - except when the US decides the state is not legitimate and the other groups are therefore not terrorists but freedom fighters, despite the fact that it is these freedom fighters who are killing the civilians.

There is to be no moral equivalence between states and terrorists. However, it is we (the US and to a much lesser extent its allies) who are to determine when a state is legitimate and therefore allowed to act illegally; and it is we are to determine who is a terrorist, and therefore not allowed to act illegally against a state, and who is a freedom fighter,and therefore allowed to act illegally against a state.

Another example: the KLA in Kosovo was armed by the US to attack Serbians and was in turn attacked, with brutal consequences for civilians, by Serbia – but Serbia, unlike other states, is not allowed to attack terrorists/.freedom fighters in self-defence, so NATO bombed Serbia (by what right is still to be made clear)..

just Louise

blue_&_white_avenger, you're absolutely right about Jeremy Bowen.
Funny, but I can find no reference to this report re Hamas antisemitism on Al Beeb's website, and it seems BBC broadcasts have entirely ignored it.

YA

Dixon

"..Does that mean if enough people put down "Jedi" their taxes will go to the DLR?.."

One can invest in something more definite, - "Mini Skirt Lovers Society", "Richard Dawkins Fan Club", etc.