What the west needs to know

Alcuin

The film Melanie mentioned, and others (notably those by Peirre Rehov and Obsession) can be bought on DVD from Walid Shoebat's website. I recommend them.

As ex-Jihadis keep telling us, and in contradistinction to the BBC/Guardian "root cause" tropes, It's the Theology, Stupid

Osama

Fitna was graphic and telling but it concentrated on the extremists. The threat of Islamisation by these radicals could be dismissed by the political elite and social commentators as an event unlikely to happen...this small group of extremists is no match for the ' resilence, and indeed the attractions, of an open liberal and democratic society.' It is also suggested that the numbers of Muslims are of importance in the "Islamisation" of Europe, the more persons of muslim origin, in Europe, the worse it will be.

This is a mistake...a drop of ink in a jug of water colours the whole...a minority of Muslims with powerful financial backing from Muslim states and the crowbar effect of terrorism on our politicians and Liberal establishment have gained, even now, influence far beyond that which their numbers would merit. You have to ask the question, which clearly politicians are too scared to ask, or to answer, where will this all end? Just how much of your culture are you prepared to surrender...and how much land?

How do you explain that to the troops fighting for democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan when they come home to a land that is no longer British, no longer a democracy, no longer genuinely liberal, where they have to watch their every word or be denounced as an Islamaphobe or racist. Where Labour politicians cower before a few Muslim voters to keep their corrupt grip on power...remember this... the Turkish Islamic political party that said ‘ Democracy is a bus we can ride for now...’ Presumably until they reach their destination...their Islamic nation...that bus has a new destination...it’s your land, your culture and your future that is at risk....stand up, draw a line.

Sharon

The last scene is not translated from the Arabic narrative/Dutch subtitles, but this lack of translation does not make that bloodthirsty scene against Jews any less vivid – I guess even those without Dutch/Arabic could get the gist!! Now who in their right mind could not understand that this religion is not one of peace? Obama asked a question – who has not heard their Priest/Rabbi etc say things they disagree with? I ask in which religion other than Islam has a Priest/Rabbi etc drawn a sword during a sermon and threaten other religions with such bloodthirsty vigour? My only fear is that that scene comes at the end and many of those who should be watching to the end will not see it as they won't allocate the full 1.5 hours to see it through. Please do stay the course!

gareth

Welcome to the club, Melanie. Fortunately, more and more of the kuffar have been reading up on islam, and the word is gradually spreading.

Wahida

It’s interesting that Geert Wilders decided to call his film ‘Fitna’ - the Arabic word for discord, as Mr Wilders is truly at a disconnect from his countrymen and the world.
The film is little more than propaganda to incite hatred. And the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon added his voice to the worldwide condemnation of the film.
This follows the televised statement by Jan Peter the PM of the Netherlands, who said: “We … regret that Mr. Wilders has released this film. We believe it serves no other purpose than to cause offense.”
And just to put Mr Wilders in his place the cartoonist Kurt Westergaard has demanded his cartoon be removed from the film immediately, otherwise he is going to sue.

George of Currumbin

Films I have on my hard drive and would reccomend
Can be downloaded via google
1.Don't get me started- David Aaronavitch.
2.Relentless- the struggle for peace in the Middle East.
3 Obssesion- Radical Islam's war against the west.
And to a lesser degree but a real eye opener
Pallywood- The manufacture of propaganda during the intifada which exposes the complicity of partisanship in western media.
This from the excellent Richard Landes websites which also features film of the Al Durah fabrications.

Augustus

Without doubt, the vast multitude of non-believers in the western world would be easy targets for dhimmification by their Muslim overlords once they are in geopolitical control.

Belisarius

I was about to recommend this film, also available at Amazon, to a commenter, Verity, on another thread, so I am grateful to see it listed here. It is entirely appropriate to repeat here a part of the speech which the Polish King, Jan Sobiewski, gave to his troops on 11 September, 1683, as they prepared to lift the two-month long siege of Vienna by the Moslem army of the Sultan:- "It is not a city alone that we have to save, but the whole of Christianity, of which the city of Vienna is the bulwark. This war is a holy one." Had Vienna been taken by the Moslems, they would have pushed on through Europe and the history of the world would have been considerably different. The Battle of the Gates of Vienna was one of the defining moments in history. It was a combined European army, of Austrians, Poles, Germans and others which won the day. The Austrians, 10,000 of them, marched last Friday through the centre of Vienna, to demand a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. It was a march organised by academics who have understood, by their speeches to the crowd, that their freedom as Austrians is at stake and that they must reassert control over their own nation and its future. I mention this because the question of our society, and our civilisation's, understanding of, and response to, Islam, must be bound up with the appreciation and reassertion of both the values which underpin our nation and the integrity of our nationhood. We have allowed both to be cast aside and ignored. Islam has simply filled the vacuum, aided by socialism, one of history's most notorious failures. I am all in faovur of films to instruct people, books to be read, blogsites to be commented upon, but where are the popular media of the newspapers and television? There is a very two-faced, deadly dangerous game being played out here. The day I pick up a newspaper, open its pages, and find an honest, comprehensive statement of Islam --- its doctrines, its warlord founder, its militant history --- that will be the day I shall know that, whatever lies ahead, the victorious end is assured. The truth, however hard, is infinitely preferable to ignorance, false hope and enslavement.

Herbert Thornton

The answer to the question - "where will it end?" has to be that - ultimately - it can end in only two ways - either complete, worldwide victory for Islam, or the complete disappearance of Islam.

So far as the west is concerned, there is no need to look that far ahead. Since the west is unwilling to raise a finger either against the presence of Islam in its midst or against it's rapid increase, the outcome will be either the complete collapse of western civilisation, or very bloody war - both civil and external - that will make Hitler's atrocities look minor by comparison.

There will of course be a chorus of western voices driven by the same mindset that used to proclaim the slogan "Better Red than Dead". "Resistance is Futile" springs to mind.

M Clyde

I too used to think that the Palestinian-Israeli issue was about land. That was until I read about Amin Al Husseini, the Nazi collaborator and Grand Mufti of Jerusalem under the British Mandate. Then I realised the conflict, is, and always has been, about jihadi theology and the place of Christians and Jews in Islamic lands. Until then I had always thought, since it was a secular conflict, there was a rational secular solution. Not any more.

Husseini was opposed to Jewish settlement even before the Balfour Declaration. He hated the modern prospering German Jewish farmers who came with new efficient farming methods, education, and an attitude he found hard to stomach - independence of mind. He didn't mind the impoverished dhimmified ignorant 'oriental' Jews who had lived in Palestine for centuries, pathetic 'little people' who knew their place in the Islamic pecking order, but these new Jews were secular, liberal, and not at all dhimmified. That, and their success, got his blood boiling, even before the British Mandate was established.

It was remarkably similar to now. One part of the British were inclined to favour Jewish settlement in the Holy Land; another part were afraid of offending Muslims and wanted to reassure them of British support. In this muddled confused atmosphere Husseini was promoted not just to Mufti of Jerusalem, but a special post of Grand Mufti, in 1921.

He had links with salafis and Islamists in Egypt (Hasan al Banna) and stirred up a great deal of trouble against Jewish immigration, which had been piecemeal and informal since the 1880s and 1890s and continued during the British Mandate.

The British policy of appeasement to Islamists turned out to be disastrous as Husseini forged links with Hitler in the 1930s and much of the Muslim Brotherhood too. They adopted much of their style from Nazism and visted Nazi Germany several times as honoured guests of the Fuhrer. They poisoned the minds of ordinary Palestinians against Jewish settlement as unIslamic.

It only went through a secular phase after the last war but has resurfaced in religious colours. Yasser Arafat was actually a nephew of Husseini but changed his name so that he would not be recognised. Much of his power base came from that connection.

London Calling

A compelling film Melanie, Thank you. I needed to know, and now I understand with a clearer vision. I understand that 9/11 was planned to draw America and Europe into a middle eastern conflict and spread Islamic fundamentalism within Muslim Communities world wide. I also
understand that Israel will inevitably be attacked whilst the West sleeps, because Democracy cannot be seen to confront, as well as promote Equality and Justice, when in fact it has to confront to protect Equality and Justice. My views on the 'Fitna' film has changed also, because I now understand that unless we offend, nobody listens and by presenting 'Fitna' in the form that it was, it created attention, which non offensive films like 'What The West Needs To Know' doesn't, but should, as its more informative and gives us a clearer understanding of motives behind Islamic Extremism and their vision of the Future as one Islamic state.
Islam will not take over the world and the extremists know that, what better then, than to draw the world into war?, an all out attack on Israel acts out the End times for Islamic extremists and it is this unraveling of evil intent that 'The World Really Needs to Know' and as Melanie stated at the end of this article, many Israelis don't fully understand its enemies true motive's and neither does the West.

London Calling

Iran leader's messianic end-times mission,for those who are interested was posted on World Daily News-January 2006.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48225

Michael B

"What the West Needs to Know" is absolutely superb. Sound, balanced, cogently rendered, probative, well measured throughout, a very solid and impressive examination.

sasquatch

It must be satisfying for Islamic fundamentalists of all stripes to witness the success of their policy of getting the victims' representatives to police their own communities on behalf of the ideals of Islamic supremacism — in other words, fabricated Muslim street rage has metapmorphosed into fabricated rage shuffingly in the Western corridors of power.

Martin

I know that Melanie disagrees with me, but I believe that a well organised conspiracy exists to claim europe for Islam. Politicians from the 1960s on have favoured policies that encourage Islamic colonisation of Europe. Most will have accepted bribes or bowed to blackmail, and often not known who is controlling them. Islamic money, derived from oil revenues, is used to buy choice real estate, and to shut up politicians who realize we are under threat, but enjoy the massive perks of Parliament and associated business deals.

The Gates of Vienna are now the Thames Gateway, and nobody in parliament can stop it because they are scared and/or bribed.

phil

London you have truly amazed me .it seems you have had a revelation on the road (from) Damascus-have you really changed your mind from the terrible posts you used to put here-if so I honestly applaud you -I have said to Mike that the man who can say he is wrong is the strongest of us all so I hope you are not having a joke with us -I don't think you are so well done -I realise that I write a lot but I feel if I can change one mind I have achieved something worth while -tell me that I did

Commondog

Belisarius
I congratulate you on a very well put together post. I wonder why such a momentous episode in history as the Battle of Vienna, is not taught in our schools? Or perhaps I don't wonder at all.
But may I just raise a point which is perhaps off this thread in a way, but which to me is at its centre.
Is there any point in any of us here exerting our energies and getting excercised about our chances of preserving the West?
We can set out arguments and propose whatever curbs we want but in the end we are surely doomed without one very major shift.
It's just a numbers game. Ten years ago, the numbers were not as bad as today, and in ten years hence, they will be so much worse.
Unless we can persuade the young people of Europe to make children, then we will be overcome . 'Demographic warfare', I heard it referred to recently, and I know it smacks of the farmyard but unless we breed at a faster rate, then we will shrink and they will grow.
Making babies is surely not beyond us. We have the technology.

Commondog

Wahida
In describing the Wilders film as 'propaganda'
are you suggesting that he fabricated the scenes? Did he pay an actor to dress up and brandish a sword in the middle of a mosque and exhort those present to murder people on the grounds that they followed another faith?
The baying crowd, were they all tricked into their frenzy?

Verity

Further to Common Dog's astute post, did Mr Wilders pay someone to pretend to be Mr Bigley and be beheaded on camera? Like a stunt double? Or was that Mr Bigley fidgeting passively, awaiting his dreadful death?

What insane motive was behind this but spite? Spite that the West is better?

And yes, indeed, that the Gates of Vienna - defending Europe and the European enlightened ideal - is not taught in schools is passing odd, is it not?

What I want to know is, who is surrendering on our behalf?

Frank Pulley

Commondog

I agree with Verity (not to mention Mark Steyn); no change there then - and of course I think you are right in your witty assertions.

Unfortunately, in the UK, once you make the babies that you suggest (and my wife and I made four, who in turn have made twelve between them) it is necessary to hand them over at a certain age, unless you are rich, to an education system riddled with leftist dogma assimilated by osmosis, incrementally, by teachers over three generations (I won't mention Gramsci as I know it bores you, but you should read John Fonte's (Hudson Institute) work on Gramsci):http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/archives_roll/2002_04-06/fonte_ideological/fonte_ideological.html

I fear that it is now almost impossible to reverse the damage done. Seems the majority of our population; both indigenous and imported, have become useful idiots. Why else would they have returned NuLab three times? The accrued history of strength and decency of our nation that culminated in the resolve shown in WWII has now dissipated into the weakness, defeatism and pacifism that now pervades. Melanie is one of the few oases of strength logic and reason in the Western media - based on both her knowledge of history and its consequences, together with her empirical grasp of today's social engineering skulduggery. She is vilified by many simply because her work is effective, but she's still battling against a tide of dull stupidity and ignorance. Hence the handful of trolls designated to comment on this blog. Their lack of success here does not reflect the wider picture within the community, which is alarmingly susceptible to the anti-US/anti-Israeli, pro-arty-farty left liberal agenda. Keep making babies - and comments hereupon. And read the 'sermons' too, some are quite good.

Harry

Commondog, can I add to Frank's post this excellent Rod Liddle piece:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=513747&in_page_id=1770

Note this line:
"The remarkable thing is that the half-baked and narcissistic ideologies of that dismal 12 months are still with us, in our schools, in our law courts, in our social services; they have permeated every facet of our lives."

The radical Left have ideological ownership of almost everything in this country. Hence we get so many perverse decisions in our law courts, hence our theatres are riddled with Left-wing propaganda (there never was a tradition of Right-wing plays in this country), the BBC and Channel 4 spend buckets on Left-wing drama. Channel 4 recently had a drama that blamed Islamist terror on... tough anti-terror laws. The BBC gets away with tearing strips off Christianity but when it does a drama about Islam, it's about an English girl discovering solace in Islam. If they wrote a drama like this about a girl turning to Christianity the Left-wing critics would have toasted them. Many (see Rod Liddle on this site) lauded this piece of propaganda.

And the news agencies... two of them, the BBC and Channel 4 News are just beyond the pale when it comes to bias. The former, of course, is funded by compulsory subscription from anyone who owns a TV.

This situation exists nowhere else in the world and is why we're so deep in the do do.

As for schooling, I went to school in the 80s and can vouchsafe for the blatant Left-wing bias of many teachers.

The prognosis isn't good, is it?

Commondog

Frank and Harry
Both pieces fascinating, informative and in their way reassuring. Thanks.

Frank Pulley

Harry:
Thanks for the Rod Liddle link, I had missed that; he has a kindred spirit in the States who wrote beautifully about circa '68 last week:

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/radical_roots_a_1.php

I won't offer an excerpt - read it all.

Commondog: " ... and in their way, reassuring." ??

Hmmnn. Not from my vantage point, but then perhaps you have more time left than me and are probably still enjoying trying to restore the demographic edge. I remember during the war when the the slogan was 'Dig for England' when food was short and we all turned our lawns into vegetable gardens. I suppose we could adapt the verb to address the shortage of babies!

Chris

Fitna is the Zionist's 'The Eternal Jew'. Understand that 'Free speech' is Zionists criticising anybody they like, and 'Hate speech' is anyone criticising Zionists.

PHIL

Much as I have no desire to discuss any thing with chris (APL3 At )2.56 I WOULD REMIND HIM THAT julius streicher was hung at nuremberg for writing that kind of stuff-it is despicable that on a site like this you would say such hatefilled things -and I HOPE HE WILL TAKE IN THAT THE WORLDS DISAPROVAL WAS SHOWN FOR ALL TO SEE

Mick

Thankyou Chris,for such a profound statement and I hope you don't fall off your soapbox!