With friends like these...

Jon_Boy

Anyone still wondering how in the 1930s so many people were so utterly on the marally bankrupt side of history?

Do you still wonder how so many people in the west and even marxist Jews trivialy and expediently supported and encouraged the Nazi regime?

Well open your eyes this is exactly how it played out. The Islamic world has just simply learnt that you can plan and espouse any act of criminal genocide as long as the rest of the world finds it even mildly more econmomically and politically convenient to go along with it.

Truthtriumphs

Absurd!
The Times ought to know better.
Settlement, or rather re-settlement, in J'lem was never part of the deal---- Netanyahu made it very clear.
Where are the concessions demanded from the Palestinian side?
There are none.
This is not a peace process, but rather a forced surrender process upon the Israelis such that the time will come that the Jewish state will no longer be viable as a Jewish state.
Clearly, it is the holocaust-denying Abbas who is the intransigent one, for with every concession granted by Israel, he demands more.
Until recently, Jerusalem was never talked about as a capital for the Palestinians because Ramallah was always considered by them to be their capital.
In any event, when Abbas tells his own people that the ultimate goal is Palestine from the river to the sea, and that any agreement with the Israelis is only interim, we can see what kind of peace Abbas has in mind.

Murgatroyd

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?

Follow the money...

Occasional Ostrich

If Moses had turned right instead of left you'd have had the oil and they'd have had the olives.
Even at that time, the Jews, escaping enslavement though were, had been so long out of Canaan that on their arrival, instead of being welcomed with open arms, were viewed as an invading force. God even warned them they would be.
History doesn't repeat itself, but it sometimes rhymes.

YA

The Times is hellishly anti-Israeli. Just look a their carefully engineered "slide shows" - Jews are always or in combat gear or in religious dress or both, mostly armed, guns shooting. Arabs are always or unarmed, children, elderly, women, crying, - or that photogenic "flying" freedom-fighter-resistance youths, tires burning, Israeli flags burning.

Would The Times or any other newspaper dare showing burning Palestinian flag?

Original Tony

This whole ruckus about buildings is a convenient ruse to get Bibi out of office or at least get him hooked up with the more pliant Livni.

It's got nothing to do with buildings going up, which by the way were approved by Obama some time ago. it's just political shananigans!

Raymond in DC

The media doesn't help clamp down the passions when it repeatedly refers to "new settlements in East Jerusalem". They need to get a clue. There is no such entity as "East Jerusalem", only the eastern portion of Jerusalem Jordan seized in 1948. And the current dispute isn't over "new settlements", but new *apartment houses* in an existing neighborhood of Jerusalem.

ab

I guess this is the rape of Israel David Landau had in mind when he suggested that is what the US should do to Israel, yet which Ms. Rice - and, indeed, George Bush - had the decency and moral integrity not to commit. There is no schadenfreude in telling the Western world that once the Jews and Israel are done with, its turn will come. It is a world which is morally spent and which elevates its hedonistic convenience (and cowardice) and ancient hatreds into a "noble truth" which blinds it to reality. Actual facts, logic, historical lessons and moral considerations mean nothing to it.

blue_&_white_avenger

Hi TruthTriumps, Original Tony - I'm a bit surprised at you.
There is some confusion over terms, objectives etc.
You see, there's 2 completely different beasts: there the peace-process and there's peace. Although logic dictates that they're related in some way, this is just not true.
Old Abbas, having indicated his willingness to participate in the process, with umpteen caveats & preconditions which refer to peace (as non-existent), he can find any number of reasons to back away.
As Bibi famously declared, a while ago, it's not that they want peace with Israel, they want peace without Israel.
And even that I doubt!

daniel maris

No Obama is right to drive home the message to Israel. Jerusalem was not and never can be the exclusive property of Israel. It was always envisaged in the original UN declarations, on which rests Israel's legal status, that Jerusalem would be an international zone. We need to return more to that vision.

Mailman

Daniel,

Link or it never happened!

Mailman