The war against the Jews (15)

john doe

'insults to the Jews'. That's a good one. Rocket attacks. suicide bombers, massacres,vile hateful propaganda, brainwashing children to hate Jews,genocidal threats. Insults? Who is Erlanger kidding? This playing down of the horror is just further betrayal of the Jewish people.

John

I read on the BBC news website all about Hamas TV & their aping of Disney, so I'm not sure why you are complaining that the issue has not been exposed.

If you are expecting all media to follow what CAMERA say, then of course you will be disappointed, CAMERA are extremely biased. If you want biased 'news' then by all means read CAMERA output, or Melanie Phillips!

Alistair D

John: But why don't we see Hamas TV's disgusting cartoons mentioned on BBC TV? Surely you can see that if the Israalis broadcast equivalent poison about arabs, it would be very widely reported?

ed hummer

John,

We all await your own translation with bated breath. Or perhaps you could ask one of your friends, if their knowledge of Arabic stretches beyond reciting doggerel by rote.

Manuel

Here is this week's Hamas children's tv cartoon of the week - not quite like Postman Pat!!
If you feed the child a poor fatty diet he will grow up fat -and poor mind food will react no differently. This means we have a generation of Arab children and to children within the UK muslim community, who are being fed a diet of anti-Semetic hate.

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1729.htm

szeni

Talking of biased 'news', the paper of Walter Durante is just the thing. NY Times didn't have much time for the Jews at the time of the Holocaust; why should its writers and editors worry about terrorism in Israel today?

Alex Bensky

You have to give the Palestinians credit, of a sort. When they aren't speaking soft words to western diplomats or media, they are quite honest: the enemy to be destroyed is "Jews." They don't pretend to make that distinction between Jews (good, as long as they know their place) and Zionists (bad).

And you're absolutely right, Alistair. If Israeli tv had anything remotely like this the outcry on the western media would be deafening.

I like Melanie's stuff, John, but in terms of what the Arabs actually say to each other, you don't have to rely on her or CAMERA. Check www.memri.org. Obviously they're selective, but I don't think anyone has seriously questioned their translations or suggested that they are making anything up.

Brian of London

The stories and clips of what is shown on both Hamas and Fatah TV are regularly reported to the world by Palestinian Media Watch (pmw.org.il) and Memri. In the US Fox often picks these reports up (currently they're noticing the Hamas program showing a child killing President Bush and turning the White House into a Mosque.)

Unfortunately the rest of the world's media is almost completely blind to this. The Mickey mouse rip off was grudgingly picked up after PMW worked with Hillary Clinton to raise the profile of that. Hillary Clinton came right out and condemned it at a press conference with the head of PMW. PMW and Memri are purely translating and transcribing the material but people like Ken Livingstone are able to use typical left tricks to discredit them and ignore what they're telling us.

PMW is actually focusing more on Fatah TV these days because Fatah are the "good" terrorists we must speak to. It turns out, however, that their TV is just as extreme as anything Hamas dreams up.

osama

Perhaps you'd like this clip from MEMRI (1729) 30.3.08, where a Palestinian child kills Bush:

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1729.htm

wonderer

Even the "moderate" Mahmoud Abbas is a known quasi-denier of the holocaust. Not more than 1 million Jews died in the Second World War, according to his PhD thesis.

yonason

NEWSFLASH!!! ___ LA(Jazeera)Times Outs The Saudis ___ In a review of a new book that examines the Bin Ladin family they say "...Coll’s book makes an important contribution to the contemporary debate by putting to rest the myth that Jihadism is fueled by a passion to see justice for the Palestinians." ___ How sweet it is when they speak the truth, (however partially and however inadvertantly). ___ Found here ___ //doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/la-times-review-of-the-bin-ladens-by-steve-coll/ ___ note that there is some other fascinating material there. I think I'm going to get that book.

Ravi

John! Doh! read on the BBC news website all about Hamas TV & their aping of Disney, so I'm not sure why you are complaining that the issue has not been exposed.

If you are expecting all media to follow what CAMERA say, then of course you will be disappointed, CAMERA are extremely biased. If you want biased 'news' then by all means read CAMERA output, or Melanie Phillips So, The BBC ALSO reported what CAMERA reported. The Daily Telegraph ALSO reported on the "Murder Bush Video" with a page link to their article about the Disney-like characters used by Hamas. This absolutely stupidity citing that CAMERA is biased is one of the dumbest comment templates ever made. So I will repeat my response. Toys R Us don't sell Cod, Chips and Mushy pease. dooes that mean they are biased towards toys or against Cod & Chips? Geddit?

rudolph camillo

apropos,post modern, post christian england, with all of its pygmy politicians, and failing institutions, which you so eloquently catalogue ,i wonder what the handful of surviving battle of britain fighter pilots would think,and whether it was all worthwhile.

Terry

But this sort of racist, genocidal incitement isn't new. It predates Israel itself. And the blind eye turned towards it by the west is now institutional. Exactly what happened in 1930s Europe. 'Never again' is now 'Again and Again'.

John

Hi Alex, please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting MEMRI! Yigal Carmon is hardly unbiased now is he?

Frank Pulley

I think Paxo has been reading this blog. Tonight on Newsnight he chaired a discussion between three (alleged) comedians on why it is that comedy lampooning or criticising Christianity is permitted on BBC, but comedy lampooning or criticising Islam is not. I think it was an attempt to show that the BBC is indeed prepared to discuss these things and is even handed. In fact it inadvertantly proved that it isn't: the waffle from the (alleged) comedians and the tepid interjections from the lagubrious lounge suit were all designed to subliminally justify the BBC's bias and censure. Good try Jeremy, but no banana, I'm afraid.

Frank Pulley

I think Paxo has been reading this blog. Tonight on Newsnight he chaired a discussion between three (alleged) comedians on why it is that comedy lampooning or criticising Christianity is permitted on BBC, but comedy lampooning or criticising Islam is not. I think it was an attempt to show that the BBC is indeed prepared to discuss these things and is even handed. In fact it inadvertantly proved that it isn't: the waffle from the (alleged) comedians and the tepid interjections from the lagubrious lounge suit were all designed to subliminally justify the BBC's bias and censure. Good try Jeremy, but no banana, I'm afraid.

ed hummer

John,

I appreciate that you are probably not very bright but which part of "provide an alternative translation to show up MEMRI/CAMERA" donīt you understand ?

Shy Guy

John
April 3rd, 2008 12:03am

Hi Alex, please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting MEMRI!

D Gray

Would the Jewish broacasting companies commision a kids show with little Jewish bairns and a large Jewish cat or dog telling the young audience the benefits of bombing through terrorism the muslims of Gaza?

Just extend your imagination into the realms of 'not on your nelly' and pretend a show such as this was made and shown to Jewish children,are some people saying that the BBC would not have this news story as its main news bulliten all day long for a couple a days making sure that those pesky folks that live in the 'rogue' state were made aware that the hate reached a global audience?

The BBC dont report the Nazi style hate fest of the Muslims in Gaza because quite simply its not convenient.

Novin Omid

I read your excellent article, "Why is the UK appeasing Iran?" and was proud to see there are still journalists who stand up for justice. The Iranian government is the biggest enemy of peace and tranquility in the region and the entire world, not because they are developing a nuclear weapon they would no doubt use, but more dangerous than that is the religious fanaticism that they are the heartland for it and you have correctly remarked that one can find their finger prints on every terrorist activity. The solution to this problem is in the hands of the Iranian resistance. The appeasement of the Mullahs has done a lot of damage to their endeavors to restore freedom and democracy in Iran. Yesterday I heard that in just one year more than 10000 articles have been published and distributed as part of the campaign led by the Iranian ministry of information and their allies in west (the appeasers) to disinform the public about PMOI. Your article and the noble article from Mr. Rosenberg which I was privileged to know about it through your blog are very heart worming indeed. More power to your elbow!

J. Isaacs

Novin Omid - good luck to you and your cause. I am not sure what a "heart worm" is, but it sounds beneficial, has wormed its way into my affections and it warms the cockles of my heart to hear about it from you.

Alex Bensky

I had no reaosn to doubt your intelligence, John, until your response indicated you may not read very well. I specifically said that MEMRI was selective. But I also said that no one had seriously questioned their translations and, for that matter, I don't thinkt he authenticity of what they cite has been doubted.

OK, they're selective. Where are the children's tv shows that promote brotherhood, acceptance of differences, and peaceableness?

I've heard that a lot, that MEMRI is biased. But those people who say that don't seem to be able to come up with examples showing other than what MEMRI offers as the main thrust of Arab thinking and rhetoric. If you know of sources that can do that, I'm sure we'd all love to see them.

phil

john what are you doing here ,you know we are all biased-biased towards the truth,and that is what we get from Melanie,albeit sometimes a little biased ,nevertheless THE TRUTH ---sad boy Melanie lets you in her house and you insult her -I think thats the truth

Soreofhing

How interesting that the Arabs call for liberating Jaffa and Acre.
Actually the Arabs are 100% correct for both these towns were assigned to the new Arab state under the 1947 UN Partition Plan.
Israel illegally holds these towns, together with Jerusalem which was not assigned to Israel either.
I don't like the Arabs educating their children to hate, however their history books are spot on.

Ann

"Actually the Arabs are 100% correct for both these towns were assigned to the new Arab state under the 1947 UN Partition Plan.
Israel illegally holds these towns, together with Jerusalem which was not assigned to Israel either" -- unmitigated nonsense. The partition plan was REJECTED by the Arabs (feel free to look up the words in uppercase), when they launched a WAR against Israel. Therefore, the partition plan became NULL and VOID on that day.

Ben-Tsiyon

Soreofhing: your Arab friends REJECTED the 1947 UN Partition Plan, whereas my people, although disappointed by it, accepted it ! In 1948, following the end of the British occupation and declaration of the REBIRTH of Israel in the land of our forefathers, your friends launched a war of intended ethnic cleansing (they had already carried out some EC during the British occupation e.g. in 1929, against the most ancient Jewish community of Hebron, while the British stood by), which they lost. Ever since, and despite their defeat, they have continued to reject "their" offered piece of the cake and to demand the whole cake. Hard cheese!

phil

soreofthing-The United Nations Special Commission on Palestine (UNSCOP) recommended that Palestine be divided into an Arab state and a Jewish state. The commission called for Jerusalem to be put under international administration and seperated from the two states The UN General Assembly adopted this plan on Nov. 29, 1947 as UN Resolution (GA 181). The plan for "partition with economic union" divided the land into several cantons. Both the Jewish state and the Arab state had 3 cantons each that touched each other south of Nazareth and near Gaza-it was impossible to implement because of the This jigsaw puzzle would have been difficult to implement for friendly populations, and was impossible to implement given the hostility between Arabs and Jews-perhaps you will quote your references -mine are from the UN-put it in your browser under un partition plan 1947 -the map did of course change de facto by the Arabs invading and war ensuing

Robert Rollinger

Thank you Melanie Phillips for exposing the indoctrination of hate that emanates from the Arab media. Unfortunately, the Western media is too preoccupied with the antics of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton to closely examine the conscious incitement of arab youth to hate for hate's sake. It is reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Hopefully, the western democracies will wake up to what is taking place.

roGER

Why oh why oh why can't the Palestinians love the Israelis???

After all, isn't it human nature to love people that steal your land, kill your children, and smash your home?!?

Ann

Ignorant nonsense. The Jews of Israel didn't steal any land: they bought back the land that was theirs in the first place and was stolen from them by foreigners, and then settled on by Arab invaders. And let's not start on how many Jewish children were murdered by Arabs for the past 100 years, both in terrorist murders and in wars started by the Arabs against a country trying to live in peace within its own borders.

phil

roger silly boy you just made a great point for the Israelis -it wasnt your intention was it ?you need to go back to your mentors who may teach you how to do your work better .it pains me to say it but in this case I agree with ann

Soreofhing

Melanieīs above article The War of The Jews is interesting as far as attracting other like thinkers to this blog; however we could remark that "she would say that wouldn't she" seeing that she has a clearly defined agenda to always presenting Israel in a good light, and of course, deny that the Palestinians have any reasonable cause for their anger.
When Melanie acknowledges the Israeli government's foreign policy of ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and Israelīs blatant policy of settling this area (and others such as Jerusalem)with extremist gun totin' Jews, we could start to say she is unbiased.
Until then, it's just more propaganda.

ahad ha'amoratzim

soreofthing, if Israel's policy is ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, they're doing a poor job of it. Arab population of the West Bank has grown and continues to grow under Israeli administration. Israel introduced hospitals, universities, affordable (and often free) medical care and clinics, and free universal public education on the West Bank, where there had been none under Arab rule. Under Israeli rule of the West Bank, infant mortality fell and per capita income, educational levels, medical care, life expectancy and standard of living rose, and that situation remained until the Arabs launched the intifada.

Even today, more housing units are built on the West Bank for Arabs than for Jews; they just don't make the headlines. The biggest impediment to Arab prosperity in the West Bank is the same as the biggest impediment to a Palestinian state -- too many of them think that killing Jews and driving Jews out of the middle east is a more important goal.

Soreofhing

However much Israelis and their supporters would like to convince us that Israel somehow has a right to be in the West Bank, the uncomfortable reality is that it is occupied land, land conquered in war.
However, land conquered in wartime does not grant legal title. It remains occupied land and the newcomers are occupiers. They are alien. And they are not wanted.
Some argue that when the Arab countries rejected the 1947 UN Partition Plan and attacked the newly invented state of Israel, they lost all claim to the proffered areas. That is of course utter rot.
If someone decides to give away part of my garden to others and I reject the idea and fight and lose, does that mean I lose all claim to my garden? Of course not. It's mine and the newcomers should get out and stay out.
The Allies fought Germany and conquered their land. Wartime conquest. During the occupation of Germany we did not see the fullscale expulsion of German civilians and the permanent settlement by British/US/French citizens. After a time the land was returned to the rightfull owners.
Israel on the other hand is seen to be hell bent on extinguishing all Palestinian presence in the West Bank, the occupation and expansion into the best areas and the wholesale theft of sub soil water resources which are pumped off to Israel proper. The annexation of this this land is just another word for old fashioned land grabbing.
Do this to anyone and you should exect their hatred. To be aghast at their fierce resentment and murder of your settlers is plain innocence.

Ann

The ignorant rot posted by this person has to be seen to be believed. The 'newly invented state of Israel', eh? Israel was there as the national state of the Jews 1500 years BEFORE the Arabs even invaded and occupied it. Do you really not know this, or are you just posting your lies on the assumption that some other ignorant soul may read them and believe you?