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Thursday, 8th April 2010


According to David Ignatius, the Obama administration is preparing to impose a ‘solution’ to the Middle East impasse between Israel and the Arabs Palestinians. Apparently,

everyone knows

what such a ‘peace deal’ would look like.

Well if everyone knows, why hasn’t it been achieved?

Apparently it’s much like the

agreement that was nearly reached at Camp David in 2000 and in subsequent negotiations.

Ah yes, ‘nearly’. Only problem was the Palestinians wouldn’t have it, even though it offered them more than 90 per cent of the disputed territories and half of Jerusalem. Why didn’t they accept it? Because they wanted more. Everyone who has read the history knows what a peace deal would look like because it was offered in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1960s and 2000; only problem is that the Arabs rejected it.

The Palestinians ‘know’ what a peace deal that they would agree to would look like. It would consist of peace without Israel existing at all. They’ve said so many times. For some inexplicable reason, not everyone in the Obama administration ‘knows’ this fact. Indeed, none of them seems to. Or if they do, they’re not telling us.

An anonymous American official told Ignatius:

...an American plan, if launched, would build upon past progress on such issues as borders, the ‘right of return’ for Palestinian refugees and the status of Jerusalem.

Fascinating! The Obama administration knows what everyone else doesn’t know they know. What Israeli borders does ‘everyone know’? The 1967 borders, aka the 1947 ‘Auschwitz borders’? Or the borders proposed in 2000, which included some of the settlements and the Jewish areas of Jerusalem beyond the Green Line which everyone but the Obama administration has known for the past several decades will always remain part of Israel?

Why should there be a ‘right of return’ to Israel for Palestinian immigrants when the point of this imposed ‘peace deal’ is the establishment of a state of their own? Since when did ‘everyone know’ that a key aspect of the Palestinians’ ‘right to a state of their own’ is also apparently their right to someone else’s state?

And precisely what does ‘everyone know’ is to be the final status of Jerusalem, the most difficult issue of all?

‘Incrementalism hasn’t worked,’ continued the second official, explaining that the U.S. cannot simply allow the Palestinian problem to keep festering — providing fodder for Iran and other extremists.

And everyone knows that the way to stop the Palestinian problem festering – a problem which festers solely because of the refusal of the Palestinians to abjure for ever their existential war against the state of Israel, or even currently to negotiate with Israel – is not to force the Palestinians thus to abjure their belligerency or to negotiate but to force Israel instead to make it easier for them to attack and destroy it.

It is blindingly obvious what, to the Obama administration, ‘everyone knows’ . Everyone knows that everything the Palestinians demand will be given to them; everyone knows that Israel alone will be expected to make yet more ‘painful concessions’ which will jeopardise its security and identity; everyone knows that the Palestinian aggressors will be expected to make no such painful concessions, such as agreeing to allow the State of Israel to exist in peace; everyone knows that aggression will thus be rewarded and its victims further bullied; and everyone now knows that this monstrous injustice will be imposed by Obama upon a sovereign state like an imperialist boot stamped upon its face.

And what everyone in the Palestinian camp knows is that Obama has now given them a green light for further intransigence and violence; and what everyone in the Iranian regime knows is that Obama is delivering the western world to it on a plate.


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Barbara

April 8th, 2010 10:22pm

Well said, they know not what they do! The West should be grateful to Israel for the sacrifice it has already made against the Muslim Palinstian threat, one can appease but they come back for more. This government as done nothing to support Israel lets hope the next one will change all that. The West should learn from Israels troubles for we might just have them ourselves in the future.

George

April 8th, 2010 10:32pm

Leonard Cohen is obviously a prophet. From his song "Everybody knows":

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died
.
.
.
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
For your ribbons and bows
And everybody knows

John Edwards

April 8th, 2010 10:34pm

Yes the contours of the two state settlement are well known. Withdrawal to the 1967 borders and a just solution to the 1948 refugee question. Secure and recognised frontiers for all the States in the region. If the Obama administration can help deliver that, so much the better for peace in the Middle East

Adam B.

April 8th, 2010 10:50pm

John Edwards, did you read Melanie's blog? Why has such a "solution" been repeatedly rejected by the Arab Palestinians?

AAE

April 8th, 2010 11:45pm

And when Obama has salved the wound which would never heal in the Middle East, and given the right of return to Argentinian Falklanders, maybe we'll at last see peace with justice, and the return of the Native American to Manhattan Island.

Augustus

April 8th, 2010 11:57pm

It has been obvious for some time that the Obama administration has been unwilling, and probably unable, to obtain any concessions from the Palestinian Arabs regarding 'right of return', recognition of Israel as a Jewish State, an end to incitement, or the Jerusalem issue; as well as its blatant unwillingness to apply the same kind of heavy-handed public pressure on the Arabs as they have been applying to Israel. It constitutes a one-sided and unfair policy designed to isolate Israel in order to obtain an ultimately pointless result. Giving up your national self-determination, giving up your capital city, are obvious terms of unconditional surrender, not peace. Neither does America,
or the PA offer any practical or diplomatic
way of eliminating Hamas, as there would be no chance of forming a reasonable peace deal as they would simply take over any united government, and the Gaza situation would spread to the West Bank. But even dealing with the more moderate government of Mahmoud Abbas offers little hope of a settlement. The right of return for countless multi-generational refugees, Israel's evacuation of all or 'Arab' East Jerusalem, including the Jewish quarter of the Old City, the wailing wall, and the Hebrew university campus on Mt Scopus, have been insisted upon over and over again. And
all Arabs explicitly refuse to recognize Israel as the national home of the Jews in any case, because that would nullify at a stroke the possibilty that their descendants
could form a majority, so ending Jewish self-determintation. From the Jewish point of view what is the point of even negotiating under such conditions?

Settlement freezes would be a permanent blight on all Jewish communities as negotiations as to what will, or will not remain Jewish territory drag on indefinately. And what about Palestinians complying with their side of the bargain? They haven't disarmed terrorists, or rockets and mortars wouldn't still be being fired from Gaza. And neither has the PA ended its incitement of both violence and propaganda. As regards the refugees: Of the 700,000 Arabs who fled from Israel in 1948 at the time it was invaded by five armies bent on destroying it, they fled in large part because of threats and fear-mongering by their leaders at the time. And they have been corralled into scattered camps across the Middle East ever since - in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Gaza, and the West Bank. In 1950 the UN set up the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, originally as a temporary relief effort for them. Its very own director, Ralph Galloway, stated eight years later that "the Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want
to keep it as an open sore, as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die. the only thing that has changed since 1949 is the number of Palestinians cooped up in these prison camps." The Arabs have deliberatly kept a festering human sore going for sixty odd years in order to gain
pseudo-moral leverage againt Europe and America, and to use the issue, and their refusal to accept any steps towards resolution of their position by Israel, as a political weapon against Israel. Obama and his cronies have just bought into all that, and it will probably end up being what history will most remember him for, and will eclipse in conduct anything for which he will be remembered in domestic politics.

Truthtriumphs

April 9th, 2010 12:40am

Obama should be reminded of the old proverb:-
Mann tracht und Gott lacht.
Roughly translated :- man plans and God laughs.
He should also study some Jewish history.
The mighty Roman Empire, which destroyed Judah and Israel, is no more, yet the Jews returned and Israel is a thriving country in the land from which the Romans drove them which they re-named Palestina, to obliterate the memory of the Jews.
Take heart!

Truthtriumphs

April 9th, 2010 1:05am

John Edwards.
"A just solution to the 1948 refugee question".
Would that be the question of the 750,000 GENUINE Jewish refugees brutally evicted penniless from the Arab countries in 1948, from where they had lived for more than 1,000 years?
Did you have in mind granting them the right of return, should they so wish, and paying them compensation for the homes and wealth stolen from them by those Arab kleptocracies from whence they were driven?
Did you ever wonder, Mr.Edwards, why the tiny, fledgling country of Israel welcomed and absorbed those destitute refugees, whereas the wealthy Arab countries (with the exception of Jordan) refused to accept their Arab "brethren", who left Israel in 1948 at the behest of their leaders, and with the connivance of UNWRA, ensured that their "refugee" status remains as a stick with which to beat Israel?

Gary

April 9th, 2010 1:07am

Everyone knows that Jews get told where they can and can't live, and what they can and can't do. It's been like that for centuries. No-one has ever had to comply for ever with an agreement with Jews.

This is what Israel has to deal with. It's firmly embedded in both eastern and western cultures.

Tom the Redhunter

April 9th, 2010 2:37am

"Withdrawal to the 1967 borders"

Meaning indefensible borders, and thus an enticement for another Yom Kippur War

"and a just solution to the 1948 refugee question."

Meaning the Palestinians get go to into Israel proper and steal whatever land they want

"Secure and recognised frontiers for all the States in the region."

Secure them how? What patter.

George

April 9th, 2010 6:06am

John Edwards, when will you understand that there is no such thing as "the 1967 borders". What you are referring to is the 1949 armistice agreement, which was NEVER intended by either side to be a permanent border.

tiki

April 9th, 2010 7:08am

"It's not important what the gentiles are 'saying, but what the Jews are 'doing. These famous words by David Ben Gurion have been guiding the State of Israel 'till this very day, so the the world and all the 'friends of Israel can say,complain,threaten all they want....,in the end Israel will DO whatever is good for her, NOT her 'so called friends and the world! That's how Israel and the Jews have survived the Pogroms, Holocausts, anti- semetism and other 'blessings from the 'world. Nothing has 'changed or will change this, not even Obama.

elixelx

April 9th, 2010 7:29am

sayin' so don' make it so...
ought is not is...
'tis the very stuff that dreams are made on...
Barry is sleep-walking and dreaming at the same time...which is even less efficient than chewing gum and...well, everybody knows what the rest looks like!

Diana Bard, Sydney Australia

April 9th, 2010 7:41am

Terrifying stuff. I still can't believe that an apparently rational people voted for Obama. Let's hope that Bibi is up to the challenge. What else can we do?

Terry, Eilat - Israel

April 9th, 2010 8:07am

Obama & his amateur-hour team of bunglers, left-wing ideologues, & assorted anti-Semites are just setting themselves up for another foreign policy failure. But there is another reason for this unfair treatment of Israel & that is the total, abysmal failure re: Iran - and Obama would love to blame his failure with Iran on Israel. You can hear the chorus of these bunglers already - ''Israel blocked our phoney peace initiative which is why we failed to stop Iran'' - a chorus the lamestream media will pick up at once.
Israel will be the scapegoat for Obama's failure.

Ann Magsalik

April 9th, 2010 8:32am

Israel's problem - which is common to Britain, America and even Russia is the rise of Islamism. The Palestinian nationalist of yesteryear are no more. Israel faces the intransigence of radical Islam. So do we. Israel is the front line of a war against Islamism, a global jihad as they say. Obama does not get this any more than our own pallid leaders get it.

paul

April 9th, 2010 8:56am

Obama really should study his history more closely. I hope he realises that 'right of return' in fairness should apply to both sides. Estimates of the number of Jews kicked out of Arab countries post 1948 vary widely but the ball park figure is around 800,000. These were evicted speedily without compensation leaving all wealth behind them. Come on Obama start using your brains, your solutions have the making of a real disaster.

liz

April 9th, 2010 10:28am

America is the new Edom.

Jerry

April 9th, 2010 1:09pm

"Hope and change" translates very well to "Buddy, can you spare a dime."

Harvey

April 9th, 2010 1:11pm

John Edwards
If withdrawl to the 67 border /cease fire lines from 48 is the solution now ,what prevented the Palestinians /Arabs from adopting this solution at any time between 1948 and 1967 when there were no settlements and no Israeli presence on the West Bank.

This is a somewhat rhetorical question as I have asked it countless times over the years to those who seek to denigrate and delegitimse Israel. I have heard just about every weasel attempt to justify the reasons which always results in obsfucation and confusion on the part of my interlocutors.

Call it the pay dirt question if you like because it renders every thing else utterly specious from a Palestinian /Arab perspective.

The simple fact of the matter is that the Arabs were in possession of the West Bank and Gaza up to 1967. There was never any intention of creating a Palestinian state on that land.

Instead ,then as now the intent is to take everything from the River to the Sea ,as Nasser and others like him since ,have said time and again.

In Blackjack terms ,it's akin to the guy who asks for another card on 18 and then asks for his stake back when he busts .

Alex Bensky

April 9th, 2010 2:47pm

I'd be interested to know why the 1967 borders have suddenly become holy. The Arabs insisted from the signing of the 1949 armistice through 1967 that they recognized no borders, merely cease-fire lines; they had agreed for the time being to stop fighting there but would cross the lines and put an end to the Zionist entity when they were able to do so.

Israel withdrew from Gaza based on an American representation that no settlement would be imposed by any party. This was a solemn undertaking and what stock Israel would now place in an Obama promise of any sort is questionable.

And ah, yes, the poor Palestinian refugees, whose plight must be addressed. Leave aside the Jewish refugees from Arab lands--mentioning them is generally considered "divisive."
After World War I a million Ionian Greeks fled to Greece and a quarter of a million Salonikan Turks were relocated to Turkey. No one worries about them. There were tens of millions of refugees in Europe following World War II, and the number of Hindus and Moslems who fled Pakistan and India can never be known but is in the millions. None of them are in refugee camps today.

No one worries about eastern Poles or Sudeten Germans. Why are the Palestinians, alone of all the peoples of the world, entitled to some sort of "just" settlement beyond relocation?

Matt Pryor

April 9th, 2010 3:01pm

A two state solution will only ever be achievable if both the Israelis and Palestinians agree to it, based on direct negotiations with a common goal of peaceful coexistence.

The only people that can resolve the difficulties are the people that live there.

Jack de Metz

April 9th, 2010 4:12pm

And what happens if Israel refuses to submit to the demands of Obama?
Does Obama then throw Israel to the wolves of the U(Islamic)N? Another Balkans?

Joe Public

April 9th, 2010 6:33pm

Leonard Cohen is not a prophet George.
He simply hasn't got a political agenda.

Even when "Everybody knows" was written, "everybody" - or at least those who were interested enough - knew.

Beer Moth

April 9th, 2010 6:56pm

'Everyone who has read the history...'

Which in most cases starts in 1967. Or in extreme cases, Balfour.

Dixon

April 9th, 2010 8:18pm

If I may make a modest proposal, the solution is for Israel to create a 25-55 mile buffer zone around its borders from which everyone will be deported and no entry under any circumstances permitted. This will at least work until Iran supplies missiles to Hamas and Hizballa which have a much greater range than those which they have at present.

Incidentally, Im not being "ironic", in case anyone thinks that.

Nicolas

April 9th, 2010 9:52pm

Bit confused, Mel. You seem opposed to many things but not very clear about what you would support. Do you think that a Palestinian state on '67 borders with one-to-one swaps and with East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state is a good thing. Or don't you. If not, what do you propose. Hate to think you were simply a silly naysayer with nothing serious to offer other than bile and ignorance.

In the Wilderness in America

April 9th, 2010 10:36pm

The latest deal is not a deal at all if by deal it is meant that both sides will have "won" something.

Israel will never give up certain ground such as Jerusalem. The Palestinians will never recognize Israel's right to exist.

Therefore, the two state solution is a pipe dream. But then again Obama is this naive dreamer who roams around the world making it unsafe for democracy.

Derek

April 10th, 2010 12:26am

Nicolas

Yes, you are confused - and more than a bit, I should say.

There IS no solution which Mrs. Phillips could propose because the Arabs' ONLY solution is to destroy the state of Israel.

That is the whole point of her blog.

Anyone who by this time still does not understand this, Nicolas, is part of the problem and, I suspect, has only bile and ignorance to offer.

Annie Loyedeer

April 10th, 2010 2:12pm

There is a solution: Egypt takes back Gaza which is peopled by Egyptians speaking Arabic with Egyptian accents and Jordan takes back part of the the West Bank - which it used to run. Israel needs secure frontiers and the River Jordan is one such - the Arab inhabited West bank should be demilitarized. There never was a Palestinian people or state -Palestine is a fiction invented post - 1967. Palestinian refugees should be assimilated into Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan and no more nonsense about this - they're all Arabs anyway as any Baath Party member will readily point out.

Carl

April 10th, 2010 5:57pm

Annie Loyedeer - I'm sure that, given your plan, you will have absolutely no objection to the Golan Heights being given back to Syria.

Annie Loyedeer

April 10th, 2010 6:56pm

The only territory I suggest giving back is Gaza - it is so densely populated. However the West Bank and Golan are essential for Israel's defense. Few Syrians now live in the Golan. What of the inhabitants anyway? I hear you say? Hang to Ha Golan and demilitarize Jordan's west bank using joint Israeli - Jordanian troops not UN which has consistently proved useless.

Annie Loyedeer

April 10th, 2010 6:58pm

Remember also Syria has no peace treaty with Israel and has shown no inclination to make one. No point reasoning that one through is there?

SJ, Israel

April 11th, 2010 11:34am

Carl said:
"Annie Loyedeer - I'm sure that, given your plan, you will have absolutely no objection to the Golan Heights being given back to Syria".

Carl, why do you think that Syria has any real claim to the Golan Heights (BTW Golan is not an Arab name), on what basis? It's not their land (and they lost it because of their own nasty aggression). Israel has no obligation whatsoever to hand it over to them on a silver platter (just because the likes of you and your cronies happen to think so).
Here one can find some info about How long Syria held and misused the Golan:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/golan_hts.html

Moreover, since Assad's failed agricultural policies have dried the water sources in Syria, he now has his sneaky eyes on the Kinneret (Sea of Galilee). Well, guess what, he ain't gonna get his hands on it; our main water source
See: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3857930,00.html

He has destroyed Syria, and he will not get to destroy the Golan! Take a look a map and see the size of Syria and Jordan in comparison to Israel. Methinks that they have enough land to mismanage!

Also, George (6:06am), pointed out that there is no such thing as the 1967 borders, only a silly looking green scribble on Google earth (1949 armistice line). But Israel haters won't let historical facts get in their way. BTW why don't the Arab Jews have a right of return to Arab countries, including a right of return of their stolen property?! Oh, thatâ™s right, I forgot - theyâ™re Jews, hence they have no rightsâ¦

YA

April 11th, 2010 6:05pm

must-read article on CIF on foreign policy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/09/foreignpolicy-eu

It's not clear how it passed. Must be, a politburo controller was out for namaz or something.

Kennybhoy

April 11th, 2010 11:19pm

Alex Bensky wrote:

"No one worries about eastern Poles or Sudeten Germans. Why are the Palestinians, alone of all the peoples of the world, entitled to some sort of "just" settlement beyond relocation?"

Please tell me that the question is rhetorical, nay, ironic..?

Imraky

April 12th, 2010 4:30pm

YA - thanks for the article link.

Wasn't sure what a namaz was so looked it up. This website gives a good intro ...

http://www.alahazrat.net/library/englisharticles/qanoon/howtopraynamaz.htm

mostly harmless

April 13th, 2010 11:05am

Truthtriumphs
April 9th, 2010 1:05am
John Edwards.
"A just solution to the 1948 refugee question".
Would that be the question of the 750,000 GENUINE Jewish refugees brutally evicted penniless from the Arab countries in 1948, from where they had lived for more than 1,000 years?

They should be allowed to go back or compensated, just like the Palestinians who were brutally evicted penniless from their Palestine

John.

April 13th, 2010 2:50pm

Does everyone know that the presnt state of Israel comprises a small fraction of what had originally been promised the Jews, out of British Mandate Palestine? In theory the Israelis have the right to claim all of what they had been promised to begin with - the state was legally established by U.N. resolution. Likewise, not everyone knows that the so-called Palestinians are largely composed of the very recent descendants of Syrians, Egyptians and Libyans who sped to Palestine to take advantage of newly fertile land, transformed from barren desert by the hard work and ingenuity of the Jews. How much right does that give them to claim land and property?

Dag

April 13th, 2010 3:31pm

Nicolas,

The Palestinians were indeed offered 97% of Israeli-occupied territories, including East Jerusalem, at Camp David. Result: outright rejection and and the launching of a new intifada.

I think you're a bit confused yourself about who the real naysayers are here.

peter stern

April 14th, 2010 10:25am

Desmond Tutu1984 Nobel Peace Prize winner
Posted: April 13, 2010

Divesting From Injustice

It was with great joy that I learned of the recent 16-4 vote at UC Berkeley in support of divesting the university's money from companies that enable and profit from the injustice of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land and violation of Palestinian human rights. Principled stands like this, supported by a fast growing number of U.S. civil society organizations and people of conscience, including prominent Jewish groups, are essential for a better world in the making, and it is always an inspiration when young people lead the way and speak truth to power.

Despite what detractors may allege, these students are doing the right thing. They are doing the moral thing. They are doing that which is incumbent on them as humans who believe that all people have dignity and rights, and that all those being denied their dignity and rights deserve the solidarity of their fellow human beings.

I have been to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, and I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid. I have witnessed the humiliation of Palestinian men, women, and children made to wait hours at Israeli military checkpoints routinely when trying to make the most basic of trips to visit relatives or attend school or college, and this humiliation is familiar to me and the many black South Africans who were corralled and regularly insulted by the security forces of the Apartheid government.

In South Africa, we could not have achieved our freedom and just peace without the help of people around the world, who through the use of non-violent means, such as boycotts and divestment, encouraged their governments and other corporate actors to reverse decades-long support for the Apartheid regime. Students played a leading role in that struggle, and I write these words of encouragement for student divestment efforts cognizant that it was students who played a pioneering role in advocating equality in South Africa and promoting corporate ethical and social responsibility to end complicity in Apartheid. I visited the Berkeley campus in the 1980's and was touched to find students sitting out in the baking sunshine to demonstrate for the University's divestment in companies supporting the South African regime.

The same issue of equality is what motivates the divestment movement of today, which tries to end Israel's 43 year long occupation and the unequal treatment of the Palestinian people by the Israeli government ruling over them. The abuses they face are real, and no person should be offended by principled, morally consistent, non-violent acts to oppose them. It is no more wrong to call out Israel in particular for its abuses than it was to call out the Apartheid regime in particular for its abuses.

To those who wrongly allege unfairness or harm done to them by this call for divestment, I suggest, with humility, that the harm suffered from being confronted with opinions that challenge one's own pales in comparison to the harm done by living a life under occupation and daily denial of basic rights and dignity. It is not with rancor that we criticize the Israeli government, but with hope, a hope that a better future can be made for both Israelis and Palestinians, a future in which both the violence of the occupier and the resulting violent resistance of the occupied come to an end, and where one people need not rule over another, engendering suffering, humiliation, and retaliation. True peace must be anchored in justice and an unwavering commitment to universal rights for all humans, regardless of ethnicity, religion, gender, national origin or any other identity attribute. These students are helping to pave that path to a just peace and I heartily endorse their divestment vote, encourage them to stand firm on the side of what is right, and urge others to follow the lead of the youth.

Truthtriumphs

April 14th, 2010 9:40pm

Mostly harmful.
"...just like the Palestinians who were brutally evicted penniless from their Palestine."

Before 1948 the Jews in mandated Palestine were the Palestinians.... a term that was considered derogatory by the Palestinian Arabs.
If the Palestinian Arabs were brutally evicted, how come that there are 1.5 million of them in Israel today, in contrast to the zero number of Jews in Arab countries?
I think if you consult any competent historian, you will find that the 5 Arab armies which attacked the fledgling Jewish state in 1948, in flagrant breach of Resolution 181, exhorted the Palestinians to leave in anticipation of the impending massacre of the Jews, but ony some 150,000 did so.
A bit more knowledge and a bit less bigotry would render you less harmful and less annoying.
And why would the Jews want to return to dhimmi status?

solemnman

April 14th, 2010 10:21pm

att:Truthtriumphs
600,000-800,000 left.
150,00O remained and prospered.
That populetion swelled to nearly 1,500,000 -a tenfold increase.Everything else in your comment was on the button.

Truthtriumphs

April 14th, 2010 11:47pm

Solemnman.
No,no, no----your numbers are incorrect.
The UN commission for refugees at the time (headed by Ralph Galloway) estimated that the numbers leaving were at the outset, in the region of 600,000 maximum.
However, it was acknowledged that these included much "double counting", whereby people were counted twice, where the dead were included with the living, and where, most outrageous of all, uniquely to the Palestinians, anyone living, or passing through the Holy Land for the short time of two years, could claim refugee status.
In fact, uniquely, the descendants of the Palestinians are accorded refugee status, even though they have never set foot in Israel. This does not apply to any other group of refugees on the planet. WHY???

JOHN ROOSEVELT

April 15th, 2010 8:28am

peter stern
April 14th, 2010 10:25am
Desmond Tutu1984 Nobel Peace Prize winner
Posted: April 13, 2010

Divesting From Injustice"

I am curious to read Tutu's recipe for Peace between the so-called Palestinians and Israelis.

Not sure disinvestment by UC Berkely (particularly given the likely amount of Jewish funding of UC Cal that might be withdrawn as a result of his heartfelt advice) will do the trick.

Let's get real, here, and stop the rhetoric about the consequences of war. Rather deal with its causes. Haven't a thing from Tutu on that.

Adam B.

April 15th, 2010 10:43am

peter stern, it seems to me that there are certain people accorded a kind of leftist secular sainthood, who get quoted here and there as if every utterance by these people is beyond reproach. Of course, this serves the purpose of closing down one's brain - much easier to let someone else do your "thinking" for you. Even when they spout ahistoric, ignorant immoral and intellectually flawed rubbish (as is the case with your quote), every word is sanctified.

Tutu is an idiot, in thrall of every leftist dictator and tyranny around the world. Can you explain his logic in calling for a boycott of the Jewish state, when none is called for in the case of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Iran, China, Sudan, North Korea, Burma, Libya, Syria, Pakistan and Cuba? What about something closer to home, like Zimbabwe? Israel is a good (and safe) whipping boy.

Truthtriumphs

April 15th, 2010 12:20pm

Here are some of the reasons why the road blocks and separate roads for Jews are necessary, and about which Desmond Tutu and his like will never speak:-

Sept 27, 2000 - Sgt. David Biri, 19, of Jerusalem, was fatally wounded in a bombing near Netzarim in the Gaza Strip.

Sept 29, 2000 - Border Police Supt. Yossi Tabaja, 27, of Ramle was shot to death by his Palestinian counterpart on a joint patrol near Kalkilya.

Oct 1, 2000 - Border Police Cpl. Yosef Madhat, 19, of Beit Jann, died of gunshot wounds sustained in a gun battle with Palestinians at Joseph's Tomb in Nablus.

Oct 2, 2000 - Wichlav Zalsevsky, 24, of Ashdod, was shot in the head in the village of Masha on the trans-Samaria highway.
Sgt. Max Hazan, 20, of Dimona, died of gunshot injuries sustained near Beit Sahur.

Oct 8, 2000 - The bullet-riddled body of Hillel Lieberman, 36, of Elon Moreh was found at the southern entrance to Nablus.

Oct 12, 2000 - First Cpl. Yosef Avrahami and First Sgt. Vadim Novesche, 33, two reserve IDF soldiers, were lynched by a Palestinian mob at the police building in Ramallah.

Oct 19, 2000 - Rabbi Binyamin Herling, 64, of Kedumim, was killed when Fatah members and Palestinian security forces opened fire on a group of Israeli men, women, and children on a trip at Mount Ebal near Nablus.

Oct 28, 2000 - The body of Marik Gavrilov, 25, of Bnei Aysh was found inside his burned-out car, between the village of Bitunia and Ramallah.

Oct 30, 2000 - Eish-Kodesh Gilmor, 25, of Mevo Modi'in, was shot and killed while on duty as a security guard at the National Insurance Institute's East Jerusalem branch. Another guard was injured.
Amos Machlouf, 30, of the Gilo neighborhood in Jerusalem, was found murdered in a ravine near Beit Jala.

Nov 1, 2000 - Lt. David-Hen Cohen, 21, of Karmiel and Sgt. Shlomo Adshina, 20, of Kibbutz Ze'elim were killed in a shooting incident in the Al-Hader area, near Bethlehem.
Maj. (res.) Amir Zohar, 34, of Jerusalem was killed in the Nahal Elisha settlement in the Jordan Valley while on active reserve duty.

Nov 2, 2000 - Ayelet Shahar Levy, 28, and Hanan Levy, 33, were killed in a car bomb explosion near the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem. 10 people were injured in the blast. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Nov 8, 2000 - Noa Dahan, 25, of Moshav Mivtahim in the south, was shot to death while driving to her job at the Rafah border crossing in Gaza.

Nov 10, 2000 - Sgt. Shahar Vekret, 20, of Lod was fatally shot by a Palestinian sniper near Rachel's Tomb at the entrance to Bethlehem.

Nov 11, 2000 - Sgt. 1st Class Avner Shalom, 28, of Eilat, was killed in a shooting attack at the Gush Katif junction in the Gaza Strip.

Nov 13, 2000 - Sarah Leisha, 42, of Neveh Tzuf was killed by gunfire from a passing car while travelling near Ofra, north of Ramallah.
Cpl. Elad Wallenstein, 18, of Ashkelon, and Cpl. Amit Zanna, 19, of Netanya were killed by gunfire from a car passing the military bus carrying them near Ofra.
Gabi Zaghouri, 36, of Netivot was killed by gunfire directed at the truck he was driving near the Kissufim junction in the southern part of the Gaza Strip.

Nov 18, 2000 - St.-Sgt. Baruch (Snir) Flum, 21, of Tel-Aviv was shot and killed by a senior Palestinian Preventive Security Service officer who infiltrated the Kfar Darom greenhouses in the Gaza Strip.
St.-Sgt. Sharon Shitoubi, 21, of Ramle, wounded in the Palestinan shooting attack in Kfar Darom, died of his wounds on Nov 20.

Nov 20, 2000 - Miriam Amitai, 35, and Gavriel Biton, 34, both of Kfar Darom, were killed when a roadside bomb exploded alongside a bus carrying children from Kfar Darom to school in Gush Katif. Nine others, including 5 children, were injured.

Nov 21, 2000 - Itamar Yefet, 18, of Netzer Hazani died from a gunshot wound to the head by Palestinian sniper fire at the Gush Katif junction.

Nov 22, 2000 - Shoshana Reis, 21, of Hadera, and Meir Bahrame, 35, of Givat Olga, were killed, and 60 wounded when a powerful car bomb was denotated alongside a passing bus on Hadera's main street, when the area was packed with shoppers and people driving home from work. 60 were wounded in the blast.

Nov 23, 2000 - Lt. Edward Matchnik, 21, of Beersheba, was killed in an explosion at the District Coordination Office near Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip. (The joint DCOs were established at the borders of Palestinian-ruled areas under the interim peace accords and were responsible for coordinating security and humanitarian cooperation.)
Sgt. Samar Hussein, 19, of Hurfeish, was killed when Palestinian snipers opened fire at soldiers patrolling the border fence near the Erez crossing.

Nov 24, 2000 - Maj. Sharon Arameh, 25, of Ashkelon was killed by Palestinian sniper fire in fighting near Neve Dekalim in the Gaza Strip.
Ariel Jeraffi, 40, of Petah Tikva, a civilian employed by the IDF, was killed by Palestinian fire as he travelled near Otzarin in the West Bank.

Dec 8, 2000 - Rina Didovsky, 39, a Beit Hagai school teacher on her way to work, and Eliyahu Ben-Ami, 41, of Otniel, the driver of the van, were killed when a car full of gunmen opened fire on the van near Kiryat Arba.
Sgt. Tal Gordon, 19, was killed when gunmen in a passing car opened fire on an Egged bus traveling south from Tiberias to Jerusalem on the Jericho bypass road.

Dec 21, 2000 - Eliahu Cohen, 29, of Modi'in was shot and killed tonight by Palestinian terrorists waiting in ambush on the road between Givat Ze'ev and Beit Horon.

Dec 28, 2000 - Capt. Gad Marasha, 30, of Kiryat Arba and Border Police Sgt.-Maj. Yonatan Vermullen, 29, of Ben-Shemen, were killed when called to dismantle a road-side bomb near the Sufa crossing in the Gaza Strip. The bomb was dismantled, but another bomb exploded, killing both and injuring two other soldiers. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Dec 31, 2000 - Binyamin Zeev Kahane, the son of the late right-wing leader Meir Kahane, and his wife, Talia, were killed when Palestinian snipers opened fire while they were driving on the Ramallah bypass road. Five of their children, aged two months to 10 years, were injured.

Jan 14, 2001 - The bullet-ridden body of Ron Tzalah, 32, of Kfar Yam in Gush Katif, apparently killed on Sunday night (Jan 14), was found the following morning near the Kfar Yam hothouses.

Jan 17, 2001 - Ofir Rahum, 16, of Ashkelon, traveled to Jerusalem to meet a young woman with whom he had conducted a relationship over the Internet. She then drove him toward Ramallah. At a prearranged location, another vehicle drove up and three Palestinian gunmen inside shot Rahum more than 15 times. One terrorist drove off with Rahum's body and dumped it, while the others fled in the second vehicle.

Jan 23, 2001 - Motti Dayan, 27, and Etgar Zeituny, 34, cousins from Tel Aviv, were abducted from a restaurant in Tulkarem by masked Palestinian gunmen and executed.

Jan 25, 2001 - Akiva Pashkos, 45, of Jerusalem, was shot dead in a terror attack near the Atarot industrial zone north of Jerusalem.

Jan 29, 2001 - Arye Hershkowitz, 55, of Ofra, was killed by shots fired from a passing car near the Rama junction north of Jerusalem.

Feb 1, 2001 - Dr. Shmuel Gillis, 42, of Karmei Tzur, was killed by Palestinian gunmen who fired at his car near the Aroub refugee camp on the Jerusalem-Hebron highway.
Lior Attiah, 23, of Afula was shot to death by terrorists while traveling near Jenin.

Feb 5, 2001 - St.-Sgt. Rujayah Salameh, 23, was killed by sniper fire near Rafah.

Feb 11, 2001 - Tzachi Sasson, 35, of Kibbutz Rosh Tzurim in Gush Etzion, was shot and killed by Palestinian gunmen as he drove home from Jerusalem.

Feb 14, 2001 - Simcha Shitrit, 30, of Rishon Lezion; Staff-Sgt. Ofir Magidish, 20, of Kiryat Malachi; Sgt. David Iluz, 21, of Kiryat Malachi; Sgt. Julie Weiner, 21, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Rachel Levy, 19, of Ashkelon; Sgt. Kochava Polanski, 19, of Ashkelon; Cpl. Alexander Manevich, 18, of Ashkelon; and Cpl. Yasmin Karisi, 18, of Ashkelon were killed when a bus driven by a Palestinian terrorist plowed into a group of soldiers and civilians waiting at a bus stop near Holon, south of Tel-Aviv. In addition, 25 people were injured in the attack.

Feb 26, 2001 - The body of Mordechai Shefer, 55, of Kfar Sava, was found in an olive grove near Moshav Hagor. An autopsy revealed that he was murdered. Investigators suspect terrorist motives.

Mar 1, 2001 - Claude Knap, 29, of Tiberias was killed and 9 people injured when a terrorist detonated a bomb in a Tel Aviv to Tiberias service taxi at the Mei Ami junction in Wadi Ara.

Mar 4, 2001 - Naftali Dean, 85, of Tel Mond; his niece, Shlomit Ziv, 58, of Netanya; and Yevgenya Malchin, 70, of Netanya were killed in a suicide bombing in downtown Netanya; 60 people were injured. The Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Mar 19, 2001 - Baruch Cohen, 59, of Efrat, was killed by shots fired at his car while driving to work in Jerusalem from his home in the Gush Etzion area. After being hit by bullets, he lost control of the car and collided with an oncoming truck.

Mar 26, 2001 - Shalhevet Pass, age 10 months, was killed by sniper fire at the entrance to the Avraham Avinu neighborhood in Hebron.

Mar 28, 2001 - Eliran Rosenberg-Zayat, 15, of Givat Shmuel and Naftali Lanzkorn, 13, of Petah Tikva were killed in a suicide bombing at the Mifgash Hashalom ("peace stop") gas station several hundred meters from an IDF roadblock near the entrance to Kalkilya, east of Kfar Saba. Four people were injured. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Apr 1, 2001 - Staff Sgt. Ya'akov Krenschel, 23, of Nahariya, an IDF reserve soldier, was killed in a firefight between army and Palestinian forces southeast of Nablus.

Apr 1, 2001 - Dina Guetta, 42, of Haifa, was stabbed to death on Ha'atzmaut Street. Her murder was the initiation rite into a terrorist cell apprehended in July.

Apr 2, 2001 - Sgt. Danny Darai, 20, of Arad, was killed by a Palestinian sniper after completing guard duty at Rachel's Tomb at the entrance to Bethlehem.

Apr 21, 2001 - The mutilated body of Stanislav Sandomirsky, 38, of Beit Shemesh, was found in the trunk of his car near a village north of Ramallah late last night. Terrorist motives are suspected.

Apr 22, 2001 - Dr. Mario Goldin, 53, of Kfar Sava, was killed when a terrorist detonated a powerful bomb he was carrying near a group of people waiting at a bus stop on the corner of Weizman and Tchernichovsky streets. About 60 people were injured in the blast. Hamas claimed responsibility.

Apr 28, 2001 - Sgt. Shlomo Elmakias, 20, of Netanya, was killed and four women passengers wounded in a drive-by terrorist shooting attack on the Wadi Ara highway in the Galilee.

Apr 28, 2001 - Simcha Ron, 60, of Nahariya, was found stabbed to death in Kfar Ba'aneh, near Carmiel in the Galilee. The terrorists responsible for the attack were apprehended in July.

May 1, 2001 - Assaf Hershkowitz, 30, of Ofra, was killed when his vehicle was fired upon and overturned at a junction between Ofra and Beit El.

May 8, 2001 - Arnaldo Agranionic, 48, was murdered by terrorists as he guarded the Binyamin Farm, a lonely outpost where he lived, on an isolated hilltop east of Itamar in Samaria.

May 9, 2001 - Yossi Ish-Ran, 14, and Kobi Mandell, 14, both of Tekoa, were found stoned to death in a cave about 200 meters from the small community south of Jerusalem where they lived.

May 10, 2001 - Constantin Straturula, 52, and Virgil Martinesc, 29, two Romanian citizens employed by an Israeli contractor, were killed in a bomb attack while repairing a vandalized fence at the Kissufim Crossing into the Gaza District.

May 15, 2001 - Idit Mizrahi, 20, of Rimonim, was fatally shot in a terrorist ambush as she drove with her father and brother on the Alon Highway to attend a family wedding. Terrorists fired 30 bullets, 19 of which hit the family's car.

May 18, 2001 - Tirza Polonsky, 66, of Moshav Kfar Haim; Miriam Waxman, 51, of Hadera; David Yarkoni, 53, of Netanya; Yulia Tratiakova, 21, of Netanya; and Vladislav Sorokin, 34, of Netanya were killed in a suicide bombing at Hasharon Mall in the seaside city of Netanya, in which over 100 were wounded. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

May 18, 2001 - Lt. Yair Nebenzahl, 22, of Neve Tzuf (Halamish), was killed and his mother seriously wounded, in a Palestinian roadside ambush north of Jerusalem.

May 23, 2001 - Asher Iluz, 33, of Modi'in was killed outside Ariel en route to supervise a road paving in the area, when Palestinian gunmen opened fire in an ambush.

May 25, 2001 - The burnt body of Yosef Alfasi, 50, of Rishon Letzion, was discovered near the West Bank city of Tulkarem.

May 29, 2001 - Gilad Zar, 41, of Itamar, was shot dead in a terrorist ambush while driving in the West Bank between Kedumim and Yizhar. The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.

May 29, 2001 - Sarah Blaustein, 53, and Esther Alvan, 20, of Efrat, were killed in a drive-by shooting near Neve Daniel in the Gush Etzion bloc south of Jerusalem. The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.

May 31, 2001 - Zvi Shelef, 63, of Mevo Dotan, was killed in a drive-by shooting attack in northern Samaria north of Tulkarem. He was shot in the head and died en route to hospital.

June 1, 2001 - Marina Berkovizki, 17, of Tel Aviv; Roman Dezanshvili, 21, of Bat Yam; Ilya Gutman, 19, of Bat Yam; Anya Kazachkov, 16, of Holon; Katherine Kastaniyada-Talkir, 15, of Ramat Gan; Aleksei Lupalu, 16, of the Ukraine; Mariana Medvedenko, 16, of Tel Aviv; Irina Nepomneschi, 16, of Bat Yam; Yelena Nelimov, 18, of Tel Aviv; Yulia Nelimov, 16, of Tel Aviv; Raisa Nimrovsky, 15, of Netanya; Pvt. Diez (Dani) Normanov, 21, of Tel Aviv; Simona Rodin, 18, of Holon; Ori Shahar, 32, of Ramat Gan; Liana Sakiyan, 16, of Tel Aviv; Maria Tagilchev, 14, of Netanya; and Irena Usdachi, 18, of Holon were killed when a suicide bomber blew himself outside a disco near Tel Aviv's Dolphinarium along the seafront promenade just before midnight on Friday. Sergei Pancheskov, 20, of the Ukraine; Yael-Yulia Sklianik, 15, of Holon; Jan Bloom, 25, of Ramat Gan; and Yevgenia Dorfman, 15, of Bat Yam died subsequently from their injuries. 120 people were wounded in the bombing.

June 11, 2001 - Yehuda Shoham, aged 5 months, of Shilo, died of injuries incurred in a fatal stoning on June 5. He was critically injured by a rock thrown at the family's car near Shilo in Samaria.

June 12, 2001 - Father Georgios Tsibouktzakis, 34, a Greek Orthodox monk from the St. George Monastery in Wadi Kelt in the Judean desert, was shot and killed while driving on the Jerusalem-Ma'ale Adumim road.

June 14, 2001 - Lt.Col. Yehuda Edri, 45, of Ma'ale Adumim was killed by a Palestinian informant for Israeli intelligence in a shooting attack on the Bethlehem bypass tunnel road connecting the Gush Etzion bloc with Jerusalem. One of his security guards was seriously injured.

June 18, 2001 - Dan Yehuda, 35, of Homesh was killed in a drive-by shooting attack between Homesh and Shavei Shomron, near Nablus. Alex Briskin, 17, was moderately injured.
Doron Zisserman, 38, of Einav, was shot and killed in his car by sniper fire near the entrance to Einav, east of Tulkarem. Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

June 20, 2001 - Ilya Krivitz, 62, of Homesh in Samaria was shot and killed at close range in an ambush late Wednesday afternoon in the nearby Palestinian town of Silat a-Dahar.

June 22, 2001 - Sgt. Aviv Iszak, 19, of Kfar Saba, and Sgt. Ofir Kit, 19, of Jerusalem, were killed near Dugit in the Gaza Strip as a jeep with yellow Israeli license plates, supposedly stuck in the sand, blew up as they approached.

June 28, 2001 - Ekaterina (Katya) Weintraub, 27, of Ganim in northern Samaria was killed and another woman injured late Thursday afternoon by shots fired at the two-car convoy on the Jenin bypass road.

July 2, 2001 - Aharon Obadyan, 41, of Zichron Ya'akov was shot and killed near Baka a-Sharkia, north of the West Bank city of Tulkarem and close to the 1967 Green Line border, after shopping at the local market.

July 2, 2001 - The body of Yair Har Sinai, 51, of Susiya in the Hebron hills, missing since Monday (July 2) was found early Tuesday morning shot in the head and chest.

July 4, 2001 - Eliahu Na'aman, 32, of Petah Tikva, was shot at point-blank range just inside the Green Line at Sueika, near Tulkarem.

July 9, 2001 - Capt. Shai Shalom Cohen, 22, of Pardes Hanna, was killed and another soldier was wounded when an explosive charge detonated beneath their jeep after leaving the Aduraim IDF base south of Hebron.

July 13, 2001 - Yehezkel (Hezi) Mualem, 49, father of four from Kiryat Arba, was shot and killed between Kiryat Arba and Hebron while protesting a shooting attack in the area the previous day.

July 14, 2001 - David Cohen, 28, of Betar Illit, died of injuries sustained in a drive-by shooting in Kiryat Arba on July 12.

July 16, 2001 - Cpl. Hanit Arami, 19, and St.Sgt. Avi Ben Harush, 20, both of Zichron Yaakov, were killed and 11 wounded - 3 seriously - when a bomb exploded in a suicide terrorist attack at a bus stop near the train station in Binyamina, halfway between Netanya and Haifa, at about 19:30 Monday evening. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

July 24, 2001 - The body of Yuri Gushchin, 18, of Jerusalem, brutally murdered, bearing stab and gunfire wounds, was found in Ramallah.

July 26, 2001 - Ronen Landau, 17, of Givat Ze'ev was murdered by terrorists in a drive-by shooting
Sept 27, 2000 - Sgt. David Biri, 19, of Jerusalem, was fatally wounded in a bombing near Netzarim in the Gaza Strip.

Sept 29, 2000 - Border Police Supt. Yossi Tabaja, 27, of Ramle was shot to death by his Palestinian counterpart on a joint patrol near Kalkilya.

Oct 1, 2000 - Border Police Cpl. Yosef Madhat, 19, of Beit Jann, died of gunshot wounds sustained in a gun battle with Palestinians at Joseph's Tomb in Nablus.

Oct 2, 2000 - Wichlav Zalsevsky, 24, of Ashdod, was shot in the head in the village of Masha on the trans-Samaria highway.
Sgt. Max Hazan, 20, of Dimona, died of gunshot injuries sustained near Beit Sahur.

Oct 8, 2000 - The bullet-riddled body of Hillel Lieberman, 36, of Elon Moreh was found at the southern entrance to Nablus.

Oct 12, 2000 - First Cpl. Yosef Avrahami and First Sgt. Vadim Novesche, 33, two reserve IDF soldiers, were lynched by a Palestinian mob at the police building in Ramallah.

Oct 19, 2000 - Rabbi Binyamin Herling, 64, of Kedumim, was killed when Fatah members and Palestinian security forces opened fire on a group of Israeli men, women, and children on a trip at Mount Ebal near Nablus.

Oct 28, 2000 - The body of Marik Gavrilov, 25, of Bnei Aysh was found inside his burned-out car, between the village of Bitunia and Ramallah.

Oct 30, 2000 - Eish-Kodesh Gilmor, 25, of Mevo Modi'in, was shot and killed while on duty as a security guard at the National Insurance Institute's East Jerusalem branch. Another guard was injured.
Amos Machlouf, 30, of the Gilo neighborhood in Jerusalem, was found murdered in a ravine near Beit Jala.

Nov 1, 2000 - Lt. David-Hen Cohen, 21, of Karmiel and Sgt. Shlomo Adshina, 20, of Kibbutz Ze'elim were killed in a shooting incident in the Al-Hader area, near Bethlehem.
Maj. (res.) Amir Zohar, 34, of Jerusalem was killed in the Nahal Elisha settlement in the Jordan Valley while on active reserve duty.

Nov 2, 2000 - Ayelet Shahar Levy, 28, and Hanan Levy, 33, were killed in a car bomb explosion near the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem. 10 people were injured in the blast. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Nov 8, 2000 - Noa Dahan, 25, of Moshav Mivtahim in the south, was shot to death while driving to her job at the Rafah border crossing in Gaza.

Nov 10, 2000 - Sgt. Shahar Vekret, 20, of Lod was fatally shot by a Palestinian sniper near Rachel's Tomb at the entrance to Bethlehem.

Nov 11, 2000 - Sgt. 1st Class Avner Shalom, 28, of Eilat, was killed in a shooting attack at the Gush Katif junction in the Gaza Strip.

Nov 13, 2000 - Sarah Leisha, 42, of Neveh Tzuf was killed by gunfire from a passing car while travelling near Ofra, north of Ramallah.
Cpl. Elad Wallenstein, 18, of Ashkelon, and Cpl. Amit Zanna, 19, of Netanya were killed by gunfire from a car passing the military bus carrying them near Ofra.
Gabi Zaghouri, 36, of Netivot was killed by gunfire directed at the truck he was driving near the Kissufim junction in the southern part of the Gaza Strip.

Nov 18, 2000 - St.-Sgt. Baruch (Snir) Flum, 21, of Tel-Aviv was shot and killed by a senior Palestinian Preventive Security Service officer who infiltrated the Kfar Darom greenhouses in the Gaza Strip.
St.-Sgt. Sharon Shitoubi, 21, of Ramle, wounded in the Palestinan shooting attack in Kfar Darom, died of his wounds on Nov 20.

Nov 20, 2000 - Miriam Amitai, 35, and Gavriel Biton, 34, both of Kfar Darom, were killed when a roadside bomb exploded alongside a bus carrying children from Kfar Darom to school in Gush Katif. Nine others, including 5 children, were injured.

Nov 21, 2000 - Itamar Yefet, 18, of Netzer Hazani died from a gunshot wound to the head by Palestinian sniper fire at the Gush Katif junction.

Nov 22, 2000 - Shoshana Reis, 21, of Hadera, and Meir Bahrame, 35, of Givat Olga, were killed, and 60 wounded when a powerful car bomb was denotated alongside a passing bus on Hadera's main street, when the area was packed with shoppers and people driving home from work. 60 were wounded in the blast.

Nov 23, 2000 - Lt. Edward Matchnik, 21, of Beersheba, was killed in an explosion at the District Coordination Office near Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip. (The joint DCOs were established at the borders of Palestinian-ruled areas under the interim peace accords and were responsible for coordinating security and humanitarian cooperation.)
Sgt. Samar Hussein, 19, of Hurfeish, was killed when Palestinian snipers opened fire at soldiers patrolling the border fence near the Erez crossing.

Nov 24, 2000 - Maj. Sharon Arameh, 25, of Ashkelon was killed by Palestinian sniper fire in fighting near Neve Dekalim in the Gaza Strip.
Ariel Jeraffi, 40, of Petah Tikva, a civilian employed by the IDF, was killed by Palestinian fire as he travelled near Otzarin in the West Bank.

Dec 8, 2000 - Rina Didovsky, 39, a Beit Hagai school teacher on her way to work, and Eliyahu Ben-Ami, 41, of Otniel, the driver of the van, were killed when a car full of gunmen opened fire on the van near Kiryat Arba.
Sgt. Tal Gordon, 19, was killed when gunmen in a passing car opened fire on an Egged bus traveling south from Tiberias to Jerusalem on the Jericho bypass road.

Dec 21, 2000 - Eliahu Cohen, 29, of Modi'in was shot and killed tonight by Palestinian terrorists waiting in ambush on the road between Givat Ze'ev and Beit Horon.

Dec 28, 2000 - Capt. Gad Marasha, 30, of Kiryat Arba and Border Police Sgt.-Maj. Yonatan Vermullen, 29, of Ben-Shemen, were killed when called to dismantle a road-side bomb near the Sufa crossing in the Gaza Strip. The bomb was dismantled, but another bomb exploded, killing both and injuring two other soldiers. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Dec 31, 2000 - Binyamin Zeev Kahane, the son of the late right-wing leader Meir Kahane, and his wife, Talia, were killed when Palestinian snipers opened fire while they were driving on the Ramallah bypass road. Five of their children, aged two months to 10 years, were injured.

Jan 14, 2001 - The bullet-ridden body of Ron Tzalah, 32, of Kfar Yam in Gush Katif, apparently killed on Sunday night (Jan 14), was found the following morning near the Kfar Yam hothouses.

Jan 17, 2001 - Ofir Rahum, 16, of Ashkelon, traveled to Jerusalem to meet a young woman with whom he had conducted a relationship over the Internet. She then drove him toward Ramallah. At a prearranged location, another vehicle drove up and three Palestinian gunmen inside shot Rahum more than 15 times. One terrorist drove off with Rahum's body and dumped it, while the others fled in the second vehicle.

Jan 23, 2001 - Motti Dayan, 27, and Etgar Zeituny, 34, cousins from Tel Aviv, were abducted from a restaurant in Tulkarem by masked Palestinian gunmen and executed.

Jan 25, 2001 - Akiva Pashkos, 45, of Jerusalem, was shot dead in a terror attack near the Atarot industrial zone north of Jerusalem.

Jan 29, 2001 - Arye Hershkowitz, 55, of Ofra, was killed by shots fired from a passing car near the Rama junction north of Jerusalem.

Feb 1, 2001 - Dr. Shmuel Gillis, 42, of Karmei Tzur, was killed by Palestinian gunmen who fired at his car near the Aroub refugee camp on the Jerusalem-Hebron highway.
Lior Attiah, 23, of Afula was shot to death by terrorists while traveling near Jenin.

Feb 5, 2001 - St.-Sgt. Rujayah Salameh, 23, was killed by sniper fire near Rafah.

Feb 11, 2001 - Tzachi Sasson, 35, of Kibbutz Rosh Tzurim in Gush Etzion, was shot and killed by Palestinian gunmen as he drove home from Jerusalem.

Feb 14, 2001 - Simcha Shitrit, 30, of Rishon Lezion; Staff-Sgt. Ofir Magidish, 20, of Kiryat Malachi; Sgt. David Iluz, 21, of Kiryat Malachi; Sgt. Julie Weiner, 21, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Rachel Levy, 19, of Ashkelon; Sgt. Kochava Polanski, 19, of Ashkelon; Cpl. Alexander Manevich, 18, of Ashkelon; and Cpl. Yasmin Karisi, 18, of Ashkelon were killed when a bus driven by a Palestinian terrorist plowed into a group of soldiers and civilians waiting at a bus stop near Holon, south of Tel-Aviv. In addition, 25 people were injured in the attack.

Feb 26, 2001 - The body of Mordechai Shefer, 55, of Kfar Sava, was found in an olive grove near Moshav Hagor. An autopsy revealed that he was murdered. Investigators suspect terrorist motives.

Mar 1, 2001 - Claude Knap, 29, of Tiberias was killed and 9 people injured when a terrorist detonated a bomb in a Tel Aviv to Tiberias service taxi at the Mei Ami junction in Wadi Ara.

Mar 4, 2001 - Naftali Dean, 85, of Tel Mond; his niece, Shlomit Ziv, 58, of Netanya; and Yevgenya Malchin, 70, of Netanya were killed in a suicide bombing in downtown Netanya; 60 people were injured. The Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Mar 19, 2001 - Baruch Cohen, 59, of Efrat, was killed by shots fired at his car while driving to work in Jerusalem from his home in the Gush Etzion area. After being hit by bullets, he lost control of the car and collided with an oncoming truck.

Mar 26, 2001 - Shalhevet Pass, age 10 months, was killed by sniper fire at the entrance to the Avraham Avinu neighborhood in Hebron.

Mar 28, 2001 - Eliran Rosenberg-Zayat, 15, of Givat Shmuel and Naftali Lanzkorn, 13, of Petah Tikva were killed in a suicide bombing at the Mifgash Hashalom ("peace stop") gas station several hundred meters from an IDF roadblock near the entrance to Kalkilya, east of Kfar Saba. Four people were injured. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Apr 1, 2001 - Staff Sgt. Ya'akov Krenschel, 23, of Nahariya, an IDF reserve soldier, was killed in a firefight between army and Palestinian forces southeast of Nablus.

Apr 1, 2001 - Dina Guetta, 42, of Haifa, was stabbed to death on Ha'atzmaut Street. Her murder was the initiation rite into a terrorist cell apprehended in July.

Apr 2, 2001 - Sgt. Danny Darai, 20, of Arad, was killed by a Palestinian sniper after completing guard duty at Rachel's Tomb at the entrance to Bethlehem.

Apr 21, 2001 - The mutilated body of Stanislav Sandomirsky, 38, of Beit Shemesh, was found in the trunk of his car near a village north of Ramallah late last night. Terrorist motives are suspected.

Apr 22, 2001 - Dr. Mario Goldin, 53, of Kfar Sava, was killed when a terrorist detonated a powerful bomb he was carrying near a group of people waiting at a bus stop on the corner of Weizman and Tchernichovsky streets. About 60 people were injured in the blast. Hamas claimed responsibility.

Apr 28, 2001 - Sgt. Shlomo Elmakias, 20, of Netanya, was killed and four women passengers wounded in a drive-by terrorist shooting attack on the Wadi Ara highway in the Galilee.

Apr 28, 2001 - Simcha Ron, 60, of Nahariya, was found stabbed to death in Kfar Ba'aneh, near Carmiel in the Galilee. The terrorists responsible for the attack were apprehended in July.

May 1, 2001 - Assaf Hershkowitz, 30, of Ofra, was killed when his vehicle was fired upon and overturned at a junction between Ofra and Beit El.

May 8, 2001 - Arnaldo Agranionic, 48, was murdered by terrorists as he guarded the Binyamin Farm, a lonely outpost where he lived, on an isolated hilltop east of Itamar in Samaria.

May 9, 2001 - Yossi Ish-Ran, 14, and Kobi Mandell, 14, both of Tekoa, were found stoned to death in a cave about 200 meters from the small community south of Jerusalem where they lived.

May 10, 2001 - Constantin Straturula, 52, and Virgil Martinesc, 29, two Romanian citizens employed by an Israeli contractor, were killed in a bomb attack while repairing a vandalized fence at the Kissufim Crossing into the Gaza District.

May 15, 2001 - Idit Mizrahi, 20, of Rimonim, was fatally shot in a terrorist ambush as she drove with her father and brother on the Alon Highway to attend a family wedding. Terrorists fired 30 bullets, 19 of which hit the family's car.

May 18, 2001 - Tirza Polonsky, 66, of Moshav Kfar Haim; Miriam Waxman, 51, of Hadera; David Yarkoni, 53, of Netanya; Yulia Tratiakova, 21, of Netanya; and Vladislav Sorokin, 34, of Netanya were killed in a suicide bombing at Hasharon Mall in the seaside city of Netanya, in which over 100 were wounded. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

May 18, 2001 - Lt. Yair Nebenzahl, 22, of Neve Tzuf (Halamish), was killed and his mother seriously wounded, in a Palestinian roadside ambush north of Jerusalem.

May 23, 2001 - Asher Iluz, 33, of Modi'in was killed outside Ariel en route to supervise a road paving in the area, when Palestinian gunmen opened fire in an ambush.

May 25, 2001 - The burnt body of Yosef Alfasi, 50, of Rishon Letzion, was discovered near the West Bank city of Tulkarem.

May 29, 2001 - Gilad Zar, 41, of Itamar, was shot dead in a terrorist ambush while driving in the West Bank between Kedumim and Yizhar. The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.

May 29, 2001 - Sarah Blaustein, 53, and Esther Alvan, 20, of Efrat, were killed in a drive-by shooting near Neve Daniel in the Gush Etzion bloc south of Jerusalem. The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.

May 31, 2001 - Zvi Shelef, 63, of Mevo Dotan, was killed in a drive-by shooting attack in northern Samaria north of Tulkarem. He was shot in the head and died en route to hospital.

June 1, 2001 - Marina Berkovizki, 17, of Tel Aviv; Roman Dezanshvili, 21, of Bat Yam; Ilya Gutman, 19, of Bat Yam; Anya Kazachkov, 16, of Holon; Katherine Kastaniyada-Talkir, 15, of Ramat Gan; Aleksei Lupalu, 16, of the Ukraine; Mariana Medvedenko, 16, of Tel Aviv; Irina Nepomneschi, 16, of Bat Yam; Yelena Nelimov, 18, of Tel Aviv; Yulia Nelimov, 16, of Tel Aviv; Raisa Nimrovsky, 15, of Netanya; Pvt. Diez (Dani) Normanov, 21, of Tel Aviv; Simona Rodin, 18, of Holon; Ori Shahar, 32, of Ramat Gan; Liana Sakiyan, 16, of Tel Aviv; Maria Tagilchev, 14, of Netanya; and Irena Usdachi, 18, of Holon were killed when a suicide bomber blew himself outside a disco near Tel Aviv's Dolphinarium along the seafront promenade just before midnight on Friday. Sergei Pancheskov, 20, of the Ukraine; Yael-Yulia Sklianik, 15, of Holon; Jan Bloom, 25, of Ramat Gan; and Yevgenia Dorfman, 15, of Bat Yam died subsequently from their injuries. 120 people were wounded in the bombing.

June 11, 2001 - Yehuda Shoham, aged 5 months, of Shilo, died of injuries incurred in a fatal stoning on June 5. He was critically injured by a rock thrown at the family's car near Shilo in Samaria.

June 12, 2001 - Father Georgios Tsibouktzakis, 34, a Greek Orthodox monk from the St. George Monastery in Wadi Kelt in the Judean desert, was shot and killed while driving on the Jerusalem-Ma'ale Adumim road.

June 14, 2001 - Lt.Col. Yehuda Edri, 45, of Ma'ale Adumim was killed by a Palestinian informant for Israeli intelligence in a shooting attack on the Bethlehem bypass tunnel road connecting the Gush Etzion bloc with Jerusalem. One of his security guards was seriously injured.

June 18, 2001 - Dan Yehuda, 35, of Homesh was killed in a drive-by shooting attack between Homesh and Shavei Shomron, near Nablus. Alex Briskin, 17, was moderately injured.
Doron Zisserman, 38, of Einav, was shot and killed in his car by sniper fire near the entrance to Einav, east of Tulkarem. Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

June 20, 2001 - Ilya Krivitz, 62, of Homesh in Samaria was shot and killed at close range in an ambush late Wednesday afternoon in the nearby Palestinian town of Silat a-Dahar.

June 22, 2001 - Sgt. Aviv Iszak, 19, of Kfar Saba, and Sgt. Ofir Kit, 19, of Jerusalem, were killed near Dugit in the Gaza Strip as a jeep with yellow Israeli license plates, supposedly stuck in the sand, blew up as they approached.

June 28, 2001 - Ekaterina (Katya) Weintraub, 27, of Ganim in northern Samaria was killed and another woman injured late Thursday afternoon by shots fired at the two-car convoy on the Jenin bypass road.

July 2, 2001 - Aharon Obadyan, 41, of Zichron Ya'akov was shot and killed near Baka a-Sharkia, north of the West Bank city of Tulkarem and close to the 1967 Green Line border, after shopping at the local market.

July 2, 2001 - The body of Yair Har Sinai, 51, of Susiya in the Hebron hills, missing since Monday (July 2) was found early Tuesday morning shot in the head and chest.

July 4, 2001 - Eliahu Na'aman, 32, of Petah Tikva, was shot at point-blank range just inside the Green Line at Sueika, near Tulkarem.

July 9, 2001 - Capt. Shai Shalom Cohen, 22, of Pardes Hanna, was killed and another soldier was wounded when an explosive charge detonated beneath their jeep after leaving the Aduraim IDF base south of Hebron.

July 13, 2001 - Yehezkel (Hezi) Mualem, 49, father of four from Kiryat Arba, was shot and killed between Kiryat Arba and Hebron while protesting a shooting attack in the area the previous day.

July 14, 2001 - David Cohen, 28, of Betar Illit, died of injuries sustained in a drive-by shooting in Kiryat Arba on July 12.

July 16, 2001 - Cpl. Hanit Arami, 19, and St.Sgt. Avi Ben Harush, 20, both of Zichron Yaakov, were killed and 11 wounded - 3 seriously - when a bomb exploded in a suicide terrorist attack at a bus stop near the train station in Binyamina, halfway between Netanya and Haifa, at about 19:30 Monday evening. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

July 24, 2001 - The body of Yuri Gushchin, 18, of Jerusalem, brutally murdered, bearing stab and gunfire wounds, was found in Ramallah.

July 26, 2001 - Ronen Landau, 17, of Givat Ze'ev was murdered by terrorists in a drive-by shooting

Truthtriumphs

April 15th, 2010 5:35pm

Peter Stern.

Desmond Tutu knows better than most that the characterisation of Israel as an apartheid state, like that of S.Africa, is based on a lie.
Israel is a multi-racial society, in which the 20% non-Jewish minority play a full part.
There are Arab parliamentarians, judges on the supreme court, cabinet ministers, heads of hospital departments, university professors, diplomats in the foreign service, senior officers in the police etc. etc.
He knows full well that incitement to racism, and discrimination on the basis of race or religion constitutes a criminal offence in Israel.

By contrast, the S.African apartheid regime was a white supremacist, colonialist regime, inflicted on the black, indigenous majority.
Israel, including the disputed territories, is the legal home of the Jewish people, through international law and by virtue of its historic and continuous connection to the Holy Land, spanning thousands of years.
The Jews there, half of whom are non-white, are the victims of an ongoing campaign of violence, instigated by surrounding Arab regimes of various stripes, which are unrelenting in their ambitions to drive the Jews into the sea.

It is telling that Desmond Tutu is rather less vocal in condemning the ongoing genocide of black Muslims in Darfur, by the Islamist Arab regime that rules Sudan with an iron fist.

steve mann

April 18th, 2010 10:15am

Will the world ever accept that 80% of the Balfour promised land,
that was Palestine and promised to be returned to the Hebrew nation is now called JORDAN.
How much more do the Muslim world and now it appears the Western world want?

John.

April 19th, 2010 2:45pm

steve mann: Absolutely right. What beats me is that Israel doesn't broadcast this from the rooftops, plus the fact that many - most? - of the so-called Palestinians are not Palestinians at all! Why do they keep quiet about it?

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