More in common than we like to think...

Sam ARMSTRONG

Now that the derangement is spreading in the USA, we wait to find out if America has a beast within it that will be awoken by these outrages.

If, in say 2 or 3 years time, these attacks on the USA are ongoing and are NOT awakening the sleeping giant, if America is just taking it and denying that its even happening, as happens in Europe, then we will know for sure that not just Europe is dead, but also the last best hope on Earth: the USA.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

I was thinking is his name going to be Abdul, Hussein, Muhsin, Anwar or Oliver, Lucas, Marcello, Joshua no it is neither of them it is Faisal, Faisal Shahzad.

Meh

'The same bastards want to hurt your country and mine’.

The guy who's been arrested is American though...

David Galea

Listen to "Michael Savage attacks racist media over Times Square bomb" on youtube.com

Quote after quote of media stupidity.

Geoff M

First the BBC said it was a "white man" then some deranged person who hates Obama (implying it was a racist white man).

Now the inescapable truth.

It was a muslim all along. And it was Islamist Terrorism.

Now there's a surprise.

Who do the politicians and media think they are kidding?

Noah Aaron Bashi

Meh, Velly Velly Intellesting!
"The guy who been arrested is American though", he is also one of those 10,000 a year radicalize Islamists from Pakistan who doesn't deserve to be American citizen.
G*d Bless America! G*d protect America and any other country who is having problems with this kind of people.

zsa zsa

Sam ARMSTRONG
"Now that the derangement is spreading in the USA, we wait to find out if America has a beast within it that will be awoken by these outrages."
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Don't worry Sam We Will Not Go Quietly.

steve

Geoff M: The U.S. authorities initially said they were looking for a white man so the BBC was just reporting that.

If he received bomb-making training then clearly the west is winning the war (all the drone attacks in Pakistan must be paying off) because from all accounts the bomb was incredibly amateurish.

Henrietta Shoemaker

Don't forget to vote tomorrow I almost did.

Augustus

So Faizal Shahzad, the Times Square car bombing suspect has been caught, and will predictably enough go through all the formalities reserved for Islamic terrorists trying to kill Americans. He will get a criminal trial, a lawyer and a jail sentence
after which he will, like so many of his compatriots be released to try to kill again. And quite possibly sooner than you might think. The bottom line is that the West is at war. Not with a serial rapist, but with a fanatical Islamic ideology that, like Communism before it, demands world conquest.

Roy

How can people believe that by becoming a naturalized subject makes you somehow a dedicated citizen to that country? With the warped and twisted mind of the enemy you can expect anything. To think they are the same as you and I? Think again. Too much trust in human nature when being human is open to question.

Andy Gill

The attempts to disconnect "Islamic" and "Terrorism" are becoming increasingly desperate.

The liberal apologists seem blissfully unaware that in the age of the internet, people can see for themselves who is waging jihad on whom.

Baron

Hypocrisy seems to be the middle name of Western politicians either side of the big pond. In a sense, one shouldn’t be shocked. The disease of pseudo-liberalism has spread so deeply that it’s bound to leave a mark everywhere.

Hysteria

what strikes me as very odd is the statement from Holder (I think) that he is going to be charged with offences relating to "weapons of mass destruction"

A petrol bomb in a crowded place is nasty sure enough - but does not fall under any definition of WMD as far as I am aware.

Alternatively - was there something about this particular bomb that brought it into the category?

Beer Moth

There does seem to be something of a routine now when these incidents take place. The media of the West make it their first frantic duty, to try and position what has happened, as being 'the work of one person'.

As if acting to the instructions of a damage limitation manual, every effort is made, to assure us that this person has no link to Taliban/Al Q.

Early reports of this incident were bizarrely, almost celebratory of the fact that 'a white man'(?) was caught on CCTV. As if they couldn't wait to bring us the good news that there's good and bad in all.

What will it take for these fools to wake up and see the magnitude and the nature of the movement which is ranged against, and is yet, amongst us?

Dixon

OOOh how the disapointment was palpable when it was discovered the bomber wasnt a crazy white Christian (or better still, "Zionist" ) opponent of Obama! Bloomberg actually WANTED a terrorist outrage to occur, if for once it wasnt perpetrated by a Muslim.

You wait...its only a ticking passage of time until a left-wing politically-correct right-thinking humanitarian "anti racist", "anti-fascist" white atheist plants a bomb just to prove once and for all that all terrorists are not Muslims.

Lets face it, aside from Timothy McVeigh they will never otherwise have any cases to support that contention.

I just hope and hope again that no lone white, non-Muslim extremist does indeed plant a bomb. We would never hear the end of it.

Dixon

"Henrietta Shoemaker
May 5th, 2010 8:28pm
Don't forget to vote tomorrow I almost did."

Do not vote tomorrow (later today). I certainly wont be!

Show your contempt for this system.

Dixon

Actually, I have just had an idea...the British answer to the tea party movement: collective ballot burning!

Pity its too late to organise for this one.

Never mind, whatever the outcome, the mood will be going further that way by next time.

joe

I think, Augustus, that Islam came long before Communism. What's more, there were never 1.4 billion card-carrying Communists, nor any who would willingly commit suicide in the service of their beliefs. Murder, da; suicide, nyet.

There are of course islamists in the State Department and the
Foreign Office, and the BBC is
pathologically anti-Western, but then people will vote for the likes of Blair and Obama.

Interesting, isn't it, that it's the French and the Belgians who are moving to ban the burqa, and the Dutch who produced Theo van Gogh and Geert Wilders.
Do we have a purely Anglo-Saxon delusion ?

Kennybhoy

Sam ARMSTRONG wrote:

"Now that the derangement is spreading in the USA.."

"Spreading"...? With the very greatest respect, where have you been man?

Mohammed Taheri-Azar
Naveed Afzal Haq
Hesham Mohamed Hadayet
John Allen Muhammad
Lee Boyd Malvo aka Malik Malvo
Maher Mofeid "Mike" Hawash
Mohammed Ali Alayed
Hasan Akbar
Nidal Malik Hasan
Michael Julius Ford
Abu Kamal
Rashid Baz
Dritan Dika & Co

And this is not a complete list...

WB

This morning the DT runs a piece suggesting Faisal Shahzad was acting alone and adding fuel to Michael Bloomberg's speculation.

GaryO

Vote at your peril.
Do not vote.

GaryO

If the bomber, who apparently is well educated and is an American and acted on his own volition, is even more troubling than if he was (as per the usually excuse) an uneducated, poor and impressionable man lured into terrorism by some a terrorist gang. Doesn't that make the job of security (ha!) services even more difficult and put everyone in an even greater danger because we just don't know if the well educated, suited and booted guy standing next to us on the underground has got a bomb in his satchel or an apple and a cheese salad sandwich.

Beverly Thomas

Did you see what is happening in Greece? they have the same problem Britain has economy dept no one is rioting here and the other thing is if Greece has the same amount of preachers of hate and Islamic fanatics living in their country like they do in Britain they would even have more riots then what they have now, the British too soft, too cold and relax and this the reason why the country is going backwards.

Dixon

In terms of the qualitative character of the definition...What it is to be "American" is quite different to what it is to be "English". What it is to be "British" lies somewhere in between.

My earlier suggestion that one recognises Englishness like one recognises the smell of a rose and that the fact that one cannot explicitly define either does not mean they are not real and distinct (from other nationalities or odours) does not apply to being American. We can easily recognise that...in spite of their Yorkshire accents, "our" bombers were certainly not English, even if arguably British. Its not that easy to say the bomber in this case was not American. I have a brother who was born British and became American...thoroughly. There are those who were born elsewhere (particularly in India or Africa) who are very English. But you cannot honestly believe that the millions who have flocked here from Asia will generally ever be English in any sense, even if officially "British". The reverse cannot be said of America, whose entire population reaches back barely two centuries in even their most long-established lines. Often the MOST "American" individuals are the new-comers (like my brother whose motto is "Dont judge humanity by the British" and who I stopped talking two nearly thirty years ago).

Which mkes the issues we find so complicated here in some ways even more thorny over there.

Dixon

Gary O, I dont think uneducated can ever equal "impressionable". The evidence is to the contrary.

Dixon

"Sam ARMSTRONG
May 5th, 2010 5:16pm
Now that the derangement is spreading in the USA, we wait to find out if America has a beast within it that will be awoken by these outrages."

It might be of interest to Kennyboy, apropos my comments on an earlier thread, that my feelings about what could happen in America are different to what I wait to see happen here.

Of course I am not there to feel the atmospherte. But I certainly hope that Americans do NOT react overtly towards the community which is the enemy within their midst. On the contrary, that would only validate the fixed assumptions of the left which we see in their crazy desire that there should be white non-Muslim terrorists! If the non-Muslim communities ever react violently, then any hope that the media and the authorities will ever take a realistic approach to dealing with the real, Islamic threat in their midst would be vapourised forever!

One more Timothy McVeigh and that would flood our air-waves in perpetuity! Blocking the view of what really is going on throughout the world.

Sergey

Have you seen how Russian mariners landed from helicopter on the tanker hijacked by pirates and arrested all the pirates? That is your best hope now. Russia is the last Western country capable and wanting to fight Islamists.

TomTom

I suppose the white man changing T-shirts in an alleyway was one of the 'right-wing White extremists' the Obama White House has warned us about.....probably they have the FBI hunting down 'teabaggers'

JohnW

Hysteria,

Maybe the left-wing terrorists' lawyer Holder has redefined WMDs to include petrol bombs. In this case, Bush is now entirely vindicated for entering Iraq, as the Iraqis had far worse weapons than this in their arsenal.

Mark C (Mk1)

Apart from sucking up to terrorrists in gaza both, the ex-opposition parties were too wet on europe - but does gordon get to keep euro sceptics on the sidelines and annoyingly enough nick clegg is right in saying the tories must govern in the british interest, but GB has managed to convince enough of the electorate that the british interest lies in being vulnerable and exposed to euro law and that the governement of the day has therefore made it itself indispensable as a last defense to perrenially secure good deals against a power that it has all but ceeded to constitutionally. So which is less secure a coalition or Gordons previous compromise? Depends on Cleggs attitude to europe. Annoying isnt it?

Right now they are still squabbling over who Cleggie gets into bed with.
What a demanding role for a man with such a small vote.
But then Mr Cameron has been taking lessons from the gay community so we should all be about as safe as sheep.

wonderer

Well, Sergey, what do you say about the Russians releasing the pirates, apparently because there wasn't a legal basis for trying them in Moscow?

Yet the Russian authorities have not been short of ingenuity and creativity in finding reasons for prosecuting when it suits them to do so, eg Khodorkovsky and the environmental campaigner Capt Nikitin.