The killer of the innocent

Alcuin

What is wrong with our media? Can you imagime a people so blatantly depraved as these hate Mullahs? Yet never does such material reach our virtual monopoly broadcaster, never does the Today programme address such issues honestly. The photo of the child with blood on its hands says it all.

It took less than 10 years control of the German education system for Hitler to raise a fighting force that conquered most of Europe. It took a catastrophe to cause those so educated to rethink their indoctrination. Palestine has had 60 years of Jew hatred force fed to its children, and that followed hundreds of years of being told of their right to conquer and enslave the world. Since the PA took over, things have got far worse.

One can only draw the conclusion that it will take a catastrophe far worse than the Nakba of 1948 to purge these people of their viscious haterd.

Harry

The Guardian sometimes likes to print Osama's speeches on the op ed pages perhaps because "Hey yah, right, it's a point of view. And every point of view is valid on some level, yah?"

I wonder if they'll be publishing this on their op ed pages.

I won't hold my breath.

Thinkster

HOT: One of the problems we have is that most Jews (outside Israel) live in predominently Jewish areas. Those living in communities of a specific demographic makeup have been blinded to the everyday comments and views of regular ('down the pub') folk. On the other hand, I have lived in various cities in villages in the USA and UK. Few, if any of those people I meet know of my ethnicity. - paternally Jewish if that means anything. And holding no hatred or bias towards any race or creed - preferring to judge individuals.

Now here is the crunch: 90% of the people who (with no prompting from me) discuss America, Israel or Jews make it fairly obvious (even if indirectly) their views. And be assured, the Palestinians have all the sympathy, with America and Israel judged to be the 'bad guys' - as we all know. OK, so, let the masses follow that path and reap the consequences later on. And who will they come crying to as their freedoms are stripped away? The BBC or the US 5th Fleet? As for Jews worried about their personal safety (specifically in a disarmed nation like the UK), the solution is to fight back - hard, in particular against a warrior culture. It works!

Remember what a blown up Mongo said to Bart in Blazing Saddles?

Tag de jour: Respect!

Hereford

Alcuin. What it will take is for the West v Islam war to get hot and become open and total. I'm sad to say that I think the battle will occur sometime, it's inevitable. The question is, is it now or in a few years time when the West is so weak that resistance becomes futile.

Herbert Thornton

What few people realise is that fundamentalist Islam, which is personified in Zawahiri, and is approved of in the Muslim world to a far greater extent than most westerners understand, is dedicated to the subjugation, and if necessary, extermination, of all infidels, and not just Jews.

The seeming concentration on Jews as their prime target diverts attention from that fact.

Melanie's piece What the West Needs to Know and especially the video that she linked to deserves to be much more widely studied because it explains the reason for this phenomenon. It has been said that the explanation is far from comforting. That must be the understatement of all our lifetimes.

field

SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC (but not that much):

The Jerusalem Post has referred to a forthcoming joint US-Israel report on the smuggling of WMDs to Syria in the days before the outbreak of war.

Sounds like it will be quite detailed.

We've seen off the Lancet study which no one now believes.

I hope we can yet see off this nonsense about there being no WMDs. We know Hans Blix didn't think that at the time.

Meanwhile in today's Telegraph (yes, the Telegraph would yuo believe) we have Adrian O'Hagan telling us that it is not Al Queda which is causing all the trouble - it is our over-reaction. He agrees with the strangely named Gareth Pierce (earnest befringed female Guardianista) that the IRA campaign was also the result of British over-reaction.

Memo to self: Please let yourself be blown up uncomplainingly in future.

Oddly O'Hagan, who keeps complaining that we are ignorant of Islam, doesn't actually say anywhere what it is we are ignorant of. This is a common appeasement ploy. Unless someone is going to specify the alleged point of ignorance, such comments are entirely worthless.
I think the truth is actually quite the other way round. It is as people become more familiar with Islam that they become MORE concerned. It's when they discover that a "moderate" like Qaradawi does actually believe in death for apostates; it's when they discover that the leader of the religion did actually consummate a marriage with a nine year old girl; it's when they discover Muslim scholars really do divide the globe into two parts (the land of Islam and the land of war) that they begin to get more than a little anxious about this "religion of peace".

alex

The questions that have to be asked following this broadcast are: who is this message aimed at? and what is Zawahiri saying? Now I would expect that the answers to these two questions appear obvious but there are circumstances and nuances that are revealing. Zawahiri saying that he wants to kill Americans, British and Jewish people is hardly new, we know that they want to do that, we remember Daniel Pearl, we remember the bombing of a synagogue in Tunisia and in Argentina, we remember 7/7, and, of course, we remember September the eleventh, we know they hate us and want to kill us all. So what is new about this message? Well their statement that they want to open an al queida franchise in Israel, although they have said that before they are repeating this message for a reason. To understand the reason we need to look at the context, first President Bush makes a commitment to a definate peace deal in Israel/Palestine before he leaves office, second Condi chides Israel for expanding settlements, third opinion polls are published which state unequivocally that Israelis want their government to talk directly to Hamas, this idea of talks is supported by op eds in the mainstream Israeli media such as YNETNEWS, then, the night before the Zawahri broadcast, a Jordanian Prince, (dont know his name) says in a BBC interview, that Yossi Beilin (may have spelt his name wrong, sorry) and a man from Hamas whose name I cant remember, are, (out of the media spotlight), talking. This is probably not negotiations between Israel and Hamas so much as talks about talks about negotiations, or something like that. The next day Zawahiri says that al quieda are going to kill Jews, specifically in Israel but generally across the world. So who is he talking to? What is his message? Perhaps he is saying to Hamas that if they try to do 'an IRA' job on the Israeli Palestinian conflict then al quieda will be there, waiting in the wings, ready to be the Real IRA or the Continuity IRA, and maybe Zawahiri is saying to people in Israel forget talking to Islamists because you will get nothing from such talks because even if Hamas do try to become the chuckle brothers of the Israel Palestine divide al queida will do everything in their truly homicidal power to wreck such limited glimmers of the possibility of peace.

Alex Bensky

Thinkster: I don't doubt that your anecdotal evidence holds true in a lot of places. However, over here polls consistently show that a great majority of Americans--most of whom cannot possibly live near Jews, as we're less than three percent of the population--sympathize with Israel over its enemies. The US's policy is not quite as pro-Israel as some people try to make out, but it definitely is supportive of Israel's right to exist within secure borders, etc. The Jewish lobby isn't that clever that it could accomplish this against the opinions of most Americans.

One of my regrets is that I never specifically thanked my grandparents for leaving Poland and Lithuania and not stopping until they got here.

I am reminded of the remark by Tom Wolfe that for intellectuals fascism always seems about to fall on America...but it lands on Europe.