Hamas torches children's summer camps

Bill Rees

With information like this now so widely disseminated over the Internet, you would hope that international perceptions of Hamas would surely change.
Or am I being foolishly optimistic?

Si, N

'Hamas torches children's summer camps'???

Hamas have condemned these attacks and vowed to apprehend those responsible.

Flakey

John

No they are 'peace campaigners' don't you know anything?

Vandoren

Melanie what you think about new EU and British steps in Jerusalem? I mean news about EU hires British firm Saladin Security to train special Palestinian unit to be deployed in east Jerusalem?

Si, N

Interesting...my post was edited

AussieMark

I would be willing to bet that Hamas is responsible for destroying the UN Summer Camp. The UN and Hamas are running competing camps in Gaza this summer, and I don’t think Hamas appreciates the lack of “religious”, “cultural” and “technology” activities in the UN Camps. “Religious” activities of course is the teaching of radical Islamic ideology (Jihad), the “cultural” activities is teaching hatred of Jews and Israel, and the “technology” activities is military (terrorist) training on how to kill Jews (eg suicide bombings, firing rockets, etc). For a taste of what the kiddies get up to in the Hamas camps, take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wq4QwiMEbY&feature=player_embedded

There is also an interesting background report about the summer camps:

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e004.htm

David, Thailand

Quite clearly the UN is not doing enough for the poor sods.

David, Thailand

AussieMark

Something that’s a bit off topic, but still related to Israel. Last week Al Jazeera Television interviewed the Indonesian Justice and "Human Rights" minister Patrialis Akbar. In this interview, Akbar encouraged Jemaah Islamiyah terrorists not to commit attacks in Indonesia, but rather to commit attacks in Israel! Akbar said he would support the terrorists by funding them, supplying weapons, and even supporting the families they leave behind in Indonesia. The interview can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLLd4vfWvw

I cant work out why the media have ignored this story...

Augustus

As George w. Bush once cynically remarked, 'Don't confuse me with the facts'. And the fact is that Hamas is a fundamentalist terrorist organization, and is listed as such by the US, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Japan, Israel
and the EU. So what Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov thinks he can achieve by talking to them, God only knows.
In 2009 alone Hamas received over 2 billion dollars in international aid, but none of that money was spent on infrastructure, schools or hospitals. All they can do is to blame Israel for blocking imports of medicines and food, and tell the media about the rotten Zionist occupier. The fact that Israel pulled out of Gaza five years ago is forgotten. And that Gaza also has a border with Egypt, who sealed the border, is also conveniently forgotten. And the fact that Egypt got so fed up with the smuggling of everything
except food and medicines, and
gassed a number of tunnels killing seven Palestinians, is also something you don't hear about. No, it's Israel who are the bandits.

Day and night Hamas media broadcast how Israel will be destroyed. How the great Zionist cancer will be eliminated, and how terrible the Jews are.

Funny then how every morning at 4am a miracle takes place. Thousands of Gazans assemble in rows at the border controls to go and work in Israel. Because Hanmas won't employ them, and neither will Egypt. Only those rotten Jews will do that. Naturally, Hamas has tried to
'reinforce' the rows of workers with suicide bombers. Explosives in cheese, in the bread rolls, in bottles of drink, and even in medicine bottles. Pregnant women have been laid on stretchers covered in explosives, and toddlers got explosives strapped to their bodies, just to get entry into Israel. And If the Israeli soldiers decide to check these pregnant women, a video is soon made and posted on YouTube, so that the whole world can see how
cruel the Israelis are.
And they came up with more ideas
and decided to call for an embargo on all goods manufactered in occupied territories. Only they forgot one thing: Who actually worked in those factories producing the goods? Yes, that's right! The Palestinians themselves!

Baron

Si, N @ 4.02:

if you believe that Hamas didn’t know about the destruction, or more likely orchestrated it, you must also believe the earth’s flat, is that it?

Hamas may be everything but stupid they ain’t. A mouse wouldn’t make a move in Gaza without them knowing about it. On this point, Melanie’s dead right. Hamas’s the culprit, the Palestinian’s unwashed the victims, the bunch of the international do-gooders the mugs. What’s new then?

Adam B.

Yes Sin, we should of course believe every word from an antisemitic racist fundamentalist Islamist neo-Nazi terror group.

It's those Jews you have to look out for.

blue_&_white_avenger

Regarding Ging's stupid statement (again), there are others following a similar path. The British commander in Afghanistan (who is currently overall commander until the US Congress approves MaChrystal's replacement) expressed his personal opinion that it was time to talk to the Taleban. Is this logical? I thought that the Taleban are against (strongly against) women's rights, women's education & all the good things on which Western democracy is based.
Like Ging, talking to these people - rather than destroying them - legitimises them in the eyes of their supporters and those who have reservations.
What's happened to "unconditional surrender"?

Shaun Harbord

Like it or not, and you plainly do not like it, Hamas is elected.

John Edwards

Referring to the Palestinians in Gaza as "Gaza's Arabs" doesn't make them any less Palestinian than those in the West Bank or in occupied East Jerusalem.

This story underlines the need to stop blocking the creation of a national unity government and to put the Palestinian Authority back together.

Charlene Hale

Well done Melanie for reporting the cold hard facts which our politicians, the media and lefties will not dare whisper let alone speak. How evil that Israel is being constantly castigated, blamed and vilified, while the real villains hide behind the UN, EU, the West ect. It is more than grotesque and proves just how the West has lost the plot.

Gábor Fränkl

Shaun Harbord, Hitler was "elected" too. Quite democratically. What's your point?

Linda Smith

"This story underlines the need to stop blocking the creation of a national unity government and to put the Palestinian Authority back together."

Silly John Edwards, "national unity government"? Hamas and Fatah are blocking it themselves; they hate each other.

JOHN ROOSEVELT

Shaun Harbord
June 29th, 2010 8:27pm
Like it or not, and you plainly do not like it, Hamas is elected"

Yep Shaun. We do indeed reap what we sew, right?

Those poor people of gaza...

GeoffM

Will the Hamas activists get a "Firestarter" badge now they have burnt down the summer camps?

Seriously, it is interesting just how much news, like this, is "censored" in the West.

I also never cease to be amazed at how much stuff that directly affects the UK never sees the light of day.

I now find myself watching channels like Russia Today, Fox News and France 24 to see what is actually happening in the UK.

Last week Fox News showed EXACTLY what happened in Barking, Essex with muslims insulting and abusing returning troops. None of that footage was shown on UK television.

No debate was held and no action taken.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

The muslims are wrecking their countries all the time even children camps are not safe anymore, I wonder what those Islamic extremist butt kissing leftist think about this? like George Galloway etc etc.

Adam B.

Shaun, so were the Nazis - your point being?

Throwing the Fatah members to their deaths from the rooftops isn't exactly democratic. Neither is shutting down any free press, the torture chambers operated by Hamas and lack of independent judiciary. Could you tell me when the next general election is to be held?

Are YOU happy they were elected?

Adam B.

Edwards, East Jeruslams doesn't exist. The Old City does. Since when has the Jewish quarter of the city been "occupied" - by...the Jews?

James E McMullen III

What great family values these people have. It is so nice to know that something like this can come across our southern border.

Pyrus

I think you're certainly being optimistic Bill.

Though at times it's difficult to understand why so often it is Israel that is condemned in the strongest terms.

The most concise argument I've heard in favour of redressing the balance is as follows:

“It is also indisputably the case, as has often been said, that if Hamas, Hezbollah, and the rest were to lay down their arms, there would be peace in Palestine, while if Israel were to lay down her arms, the Israelis would be slaughtered.”

source: http://www.takimag.com/article/taking_israels_side

Eldarus

They call themself "brave freedom fighters" fighting behind childrens back, killing innocent civilians and destroying summer camps. They ignore all rules of human rights however using those rules very effectivly with propaganda agains Israel.

C.Gee

Linda Smith @ June 29th, 2010 11:06pm:

You are quite right.
I am always amused when phrases like "national unity government" are used in connection with the Palestinians. "Democratically elected" is also a thigh-slapper, along with "civil infrastructure", "civil rights", and "security forces."

The terms of reasoned Western political discourse sit about as well on the Palestinians as dress-up clothes from Mommy's closet do on children. So cute.

Augustus

It seems to have escaped some people's notice that political parties form coalitions after elections. And that's exactly what Hamas and Fatah did, until Hamas threw Fatah out of Gaza and took control. Btw, Hamas isn't a true political party, but an extremist organization with an extremist ideology, which holds that Jews are cursed by Allah and must be destroyed in order to attain the Muslim 'End Times' prophecy.

Baron

Shaun Harbord @ 8.27:

so were the communist thugs in the East, you liked it then?

the ordinary hoi polloi in Gaza and the West Bank face a dilemma totally akin to that of the great unwashed of the East before communism collapsed there. About two years before 1989, a high power bunch of UN deluded appeaseniks, similar to those pretending to know how the ordinary Palestinians feel, visited what’s now the Czech Republic. They walked around, talked to people and reported how ‘happy, content and in tune with the Party’ the locals were.

Not more than a couple of years after the visit, and few months after the Red Menace got booted out and free democratic parties allowed to campaign, the candidates of by then the supposedly reformed Commies got less than 20% of the national vote.

during the ‘free’ election in Gaza and the West Bank only two ‘parties’ were participating. One that campaigned to destroy Israel slowly, the other to accomplish the same aim with greater urgency. How could anyone in the West who regards oneself as a democrat fall for it beggars belief.

Tony Allwright

QUOTE: An American envoy is scheduled to meet with Hamas representatives in an Arab country and hand them a letter from the Obama Administration. UNQUOTE

Why is it no longer shocking, or even surprising, to learn that the White House may be trying to cosy up, in secret, to an avowed genocidal terrorist organization?

When even the American President gives the impression of being on the side of Hamas, it is hard to imagine a pretty outcome for Israel.

Can anyone disprove the linked story, which is dated 25th June?

Carl

Adam B, according to commentators in Haartez who know a great deal more about the region than you do, not only does East Jerusalem exist but it is the rightful Palestinian Capital. These are Jewish commentators, living in Israel, not wannabees.

Augustus

Carl - Do you mean the Eastern part, including the old city centre, which the Jordanians annexed in 1950, proceeding to destroy all Jewish possessions and holy places before banning them from re-entry, despite agreements reached at the cease-
fire of the War of Independence?
I bet you would have loved to have had a whip hand in that!

Adam B.

I see Carl.

I that the same level-headed Haaretz whose editor said that Israel needs a "good raping"?

You, Carl, have clearly never been to Jerusalem. If you had, you would know that there is no distict entity of East Jerusalem. There is the Old and the New City. The Old City includes the Jewish and Armenian Quarters. I would be most interested to learn from you when these became exclusively "Palestinian"? "Palestine" as never existed, it was never an independent entity, and never had a capital. Indeed, Palestinian nationalism was invented in 1967.

By the way, do you still refuse to condemn Hamas, the antisemitic racist terror group which advocates the extermination of every living Jew?

JOHN ROOSEVELT

Is it true that Carl supports the Armenian claim to Jerusalem and that Turkey is supporting them?

JOHN ROOSEVELT

Seriously, Carl, take a look at Dore Gold's "Fight for Jerusalem".

Bob, son of Bob

"and is one of the main reasons why the bad people are winning."

The Western leaders know exactly what they are doing with all this aid money. They are either bad people like the Liberals or Labour or have given up and let the bad ones get on with it. That is why foreign aid is ring-fenced, it is part of the corrupt left.

We have full democracy, but because the masses are so easily deceived they have placed bad people in power. The foolish have voted for the wicked.

As for the Palestinians - their average age is 15, the money per head from aid is astronomical so we can hardly expect rational behaviour. If they get what they want, however, their VIP status will vanish overnight as did that of the blacks of Zimbabwe. The left are only interested in destruction, then they move on.

Ken-in-CA

Pretty sneaky, those Jews! The 25 armed, masked men who set fire to the U.N. summer camp must have been landed on the beach by an Israeli submarine.

John Mc Donald

I wonder when the government of Israel will finally wake up and begin to understand the depth of feeling which Israels actions are creating world wide. Israel cannot continue with it's present failed policies and actions and expect the world to love it.

Gaza must get International support to rebuild it's shattered people never mind it's infrastructure or kids summer camps.

Adam B.

John McDonald, Gaza gets more international support than any comparable territory. They get more aid than any sub-Saharan African country, despite the need not being nearly as great.

Israel only operates a partial blockade against an entity hellbent on killing Jews. It does this legally, and to protect itself. Thousands of Palestinians receive free medical treatment in Israel, and every week, thousands of tonnes of goods enter Gaza from Israel. Egypt on the other hand operates a total blockade, and gives Gaza precisely nothing. Hamas fire rockets into Israel, not Egypt.

Go figure.