Rumpy-Pumpy? Dump the Chumpy

Fabian the Fabulous

I'm hoping Herman will visit Portsmouth, purely to see what The Sun headline writers can do with Rompuy and Pompey

David Booth

Well may Mr Rumpy Pumpy talk about lies.The whole EU nonsense is based on lies. Starting with the ones Grocer Heath peddled about how benign the Common Market would be when he signed the country up gave away our fishing grounds and shafted our inshore and deep sea fishermen.

Robbo

Cameron is patently not the man to free us from this quagmire. The British will have to turn to the British National Party if they want to thwart Rompuy and his ilk.

Ray

Mind you, the guy is from Belgium - hardly the most thrilling advert for the nation state.

alan stoddart

In the same speech Rompuy talking about the Lisbon Treaty changes to be introduced to stabilise the European economies....

'Taken together, these proposals are the biggest reform of the Economic and Monetary Union since the euro was created.'

Cameron promised a referendum should there be any serious changes to our sovereignty.....surely this demands such a response.

Edward McLaughlin

It's ours, a nice shiny Federal Europe mi preciousssssss. Keep it to ourselvessssss.

Augustus

EU bureaucrats are beginning to lose their way completely. First we get a European tax proposal, now we're told that nations have actually had their day because progressives like these EU autocrats are obsessed with political influence. The EU
arose out of the EEC which was set up to stimulate industry and commerce between European nations, but ever since the EU has been determined to strengthen its political powers.
Sovereign states today are no longer able to make laws without
going cap in hand to the EU first. Time to draw a fat line under this EU political madness
and take back the helm of nationhood. The sense of nationhood, i.e. nationalism, is constituted by the existence of a common feeling, a collective consciousness, among a group of people bound together
in a political unit forming a nation. This collective consciousness creates a strong internal bond and cohesion among the living members of a society and their ancestors and
predecessors, and determines the character of relations not only among themselves, but also
with other nations. The superstate envisioned by von Rompuy and his ilk would be colourless, devoid of distinctive vitality, and eventually prone to weakness and decline.

CyN

It also shouldn't be forgotten than Mr Rompuy comes from a country which has been incapable of forming a stable government for years, and shows little prospect of being able to do so in the foreseeable future. His 'success' as a very short-lived prime minister was basically founded on getting everyone to agree to doing nothing about it. From that standpoint, a big brother EU that makes all your decisions for you can look like a saviour.

Baron

the more this clown pushes the idea of a federal Europe the greater the resistance to it amongst the unwashed. The EU construct has as much chance of surviving in its current form as had its eastern predecessor. Britain will still be here when the fruitcake’s long gone.

Frank P

Our police can't protect the Administration's own party HQ from being trashed by spoiled kids egged on by Leftist/Anarchist thugs, while the PM and his cabal are kissing Asian arse in an away game; our Administration, thus distracted can't protect its own Country from becoming the easy prey of corrupt Continental crooks who have usurped our sovereignty. Fuzzie Wuzzies burning poppies on the streets of Britain on Armistice day. What more is there to be said?

It's now just a question of learning French, German, Russian or Arabic. Take your pick. Just learn to say, "Yes, please!" in all four lingos, to ensure that when it's your turn in the barrel you are not shot, stoned, hung or gassed for refusal to comply.

If I were younger and fitter, I would go west, where the last hope lies - albeit a slim one. Too late for me now, so I shall just stare sullenly and dribble gently when the time comes.

Unfortunately the best of our youth is out East and as always - lions led by Donkeys, whipped by depraved, onanistic politicians. O England my England!

Lest we forget? Hmmnn ….

Terry in Oz

It is my greatest regret that I believed heath and voted to enter the then European Common Market. I never realised I was voting in the next bunch of unelected extremists, following the end of fascism and then communism. But we now have unelected officials behaving like mdeieval monarchs, contemptuous of anyone threatening their fiefdoms.

I think Britain should get out now.

R Whitehand

Does Van Rumpoy not know that there has never been a war between democratic states. Therefore his statement implying that 'nations' are a threat to peace is misleading as Europe is made up of democratic states. Whereas he seeks to remove democracy which takes us back to the danger of war.

DougS

Well well well, so 'dangerous' Euroscepticism is spreading beyond Britain - I couldn't be happier!

If it's true, just watch them squirm and lash out to keep the Euro-trough filled with lots of our money.

Peter Smeaton

Who are you Mr Rumpuoy? WHO ARE YOU?

EDDIE

In the vast USA an elector votes for the President and congress. It is a direct vote and is known as democracy; In the EU we have no direct vote for its government. We vote for members of the EU parliament but that body does not form the actual government. It is a politician’s heaven. Lots of benefits for them and yet there is no direct control by us. Is that really democracy?

Lori

Europeans and Britons (they are not one and the same, no matter how the Euronazis want them to be) are being walked into the cattle cars.

And they are not paying attention.

They seem oblivious to these extreme changes in the way our world works. Truly we are sheeple and deserve our fate. But the real crime is against our children, who will never know the freedom from bureaucratic oppression that we used to have, took for granted, and gave away.

Stephen Green

There is a respectable argument in favour of a Federal State comprising the nations forming the EU. The problem is that the form of that nation proposed by Mr Pumpey Rumpey and his like is essentialy non-democratic.
One suspects that this is intentional. It is rather like the dilenma facing the Founding Fathers of the United States who were keen to get rid of the monarchy but feared, with justification, the power of the mob. Representative democracy was the proposed solution. A similer sea change was going on in Britain with the Monarchy retained on the basis that it became a figurehead. All well and good for some time until the party system became dominant with the result that the represenatives, be they Senators,Congressmen Peers of the Realm or Members of Parliament ceased to represent the electorate and ended up representing the Party Elite. As a result we are back to square one with Monarchs in all but name ruling the roost.
Constitutional reform is required on both sides of the Atlantic including all the countries of the EU and the The United States.
Answers to this conundrum on one side of a sheet of A4 urgently required.
Incidently Rumpey Dumpey said that the time of Nation States is at an end. May be so in Europe but what does he imagine that the United States,Russia,China,India and Brazil will morph into?
I suspect he will need all the King's horses and all the King's men to put his brain together again.

Dave M

I can only repeat my former assertion that this all arises from the Cold War and struggle between communism and capitalism. I believe the U.S. is now being used as a blueprint for a Euro State so the idea is simply to make Europe into a carbon copy of America. This is because it was America that protected Europe from the Communist regime so now Europe has opted to be influenced by American economics and immigration policies. The Eurocrats look on, say, Spain as one State and Italy as another State but imagine that in 50 years they will cease to become countries as we understand them. They will be more like California or New York and Washington with multiethnic populations of Europeans, Arabs, Africans, Asians and so on. As Melanie states there is an idea this will prevent wars between States but this idea is massively flawed. Flawed because:
(1) It won't be possible to force countries such as China and Russia to surrender national identity with totally open immigration systems. Putin has already rejected global unilateralism. Therefore nation states will continue to exist even if the European plan somehow manages to be completed (and I doubt it).
(2) Europe will become far far more unstable internally so wars will still take place as civil wars within, ethnic wars and terrorist activity.
It wouldn't surprise me if one European country pulls out within the next 10 - 15 years, leaving others to follow on. Germany is already questioning multiculturalism as a basis for their society and if the process continues, I think German voters will become more opposed. The French are already tired of crime being imported via immigration and starting to rebel.
The key issue here is Europe is not the U.S. National identity is far more ingrained. Explosions of Right Wing extremism will escalate if people are forced to surrender their national identity in pursuit of some kind of Americanization of Europe.
Even worse is the fact there are now economic woes. Just as with communism, the originators of the plan are failing to back it all up with prosperity and instead unemployment and increased poverty are rising.

michael

'creeping socialism' has been usurped be creepy totalitarianism.
At least Rumplestiltskin can stop spinning fools gold now that his U-S-S-E has finally been outed.

Veracity

All I ask is the Deceivers in every UK political party tell me what happened to the promised referendum on Lisbon? It is a simple question. Mr Clegg Mr Cameron Mr Milliband, please tell me.

R Tonlin

This situation has arisen by allowing those liberal egghead cowards to attain positions of power and influence which when push comes to shove they have neither the manhood or bravery to defend their own western culture. Oh for the days of a strong right arm a sharp sword and a sense of what is righteous and good.Our brave young lions are wounded and bloodied so these quislings can ponificate that they uphold human rights....all but our own !. We are badly in need of a hard headed war monger that will indeed slip loose the dogs of war, the so called religion of peace would indeed remember why they would be better off leaving us alone...
Europe has had several thousand years of warrior culure...it will rise again and these idiots will be the first we export to sandy climes...lets see if their human rights piffle lasts then. You can only push us all so far and then we will see what happens when Europe begins to hate.
Celts ,Aryan,Norsemen and all warrior tribes united thats what these numpties will create.

veryneat

Quit now. QUIT.

Raymond Douglas

EU is Babylon re-born ! It is a demonic attempt to accomplish this time, what has been tried and tried before. The enemy's strategy never changes, only the mask he uses on his schemes ! See David Hathaway's "the rape of Europe" book and DVD !

E Hart

The idea that nations, states or any other political entity is involiate or immutable, is profound idiocy.

If history tells you anything, it should tell you that.

We may not know where we are going but we're going somewhere.

We should be given a choice about being an independent Lilliput or part of a United States of Europe.

EU member states need to decide because those are the options available. The present bureaucractic arrangement is just a step on the route.

Is time to vote.

John.

We have been promised a referendum time and time again on whether the British people wish to remain within the EU. Not one single government has ever kept its promise to do this. We should be rioting about this, not about student loans - which are only repayable if and when the graduate earns over £21,000 a year anyway. What's wrong with being in the EEA like Norway and having all the advantages of free trade and none of the EU laws imposed upon us, overuling our own legislation?

Slartibartfas

So some find Van Rompuys remarks that the nation state is not up to its job anymore disturbing (mind you, he does not call for destroying the nation states abilities, he sees their inabilities merely as a reality of the modern globalized world).

What I find disturbing however is how some bloggers set a same "democracy" with "nationalism". The former does not need the latter, actually the latter can very well endanger the former.

John H

Veracity mentions "the deceivers in every political party" but surely he does not include UKIP under this heading. This is the only party telling the truth about the EU but how do we get this across to the general electorate so that they really know what is being perpetrated in their name. UKIP is the party of truth; the major parties will procrastinate and never agree to leave the EU which is the source of most of out problems and cost. What could we achieve if we did'nt subscribe to this corrupt organisation that has now failed to have its account passed for the 16th year running.

Jimbo

surely now is the time to do something about a referendum on our relationship with the EU? We cannot trust the political elite to look after our interests any more. The new outfit in Westminster, EU Referendum Campaign, are spearheading The EU Pledge which is a direct action (see under 'strategy')way of doing something (www.eureferendumcampaign.com)

Comprehensiveboy

On a lighter note does anyone else think he looks a bit like a meerkat in that photograph?

Chris

What we do is not of your business Dumpy Rumpy

Annie

Nigel Farage was quoted in the Mail and refered to Rumpy Pumpy as "an overpaid catastrophe who wants to abolish ourt nation. The only non-nation is Belgium - his own" made me smile but not half as much as knowing that Euroscepticism is growing across Europe to the extent that it's starting to make Mr Rumpy Pumpy get a little nervous.
Bring it on!

Suffolkbor

Comprehensiveboy:

No!
Meerkats look much more intelligent than that.

Augustus

Just imagine what would happen if it was decided that the US President was going to be elected by the White House staff and a few chosen politicians. But worse than even that, we are now just a province of a pan-European dictatorship. Our sovereignty is
now to be totally subjected to
that of the EU. All our laws can
now be overruled by the Kremlin in Brussels. The EU has cleverly
morphed from a glorified talking shop into a supranational state, with all the attributes of a national state: It's own president, it's own foreign minister, it's own corps diplomatique etc., and the
populations of the 27 member states haven't the slightest influence over this monstrosity.
The Thousand Year Reich came about after all, the only difference being that the occupation occurred not with soldiers, but with bureaucrats.

pterodactyl

Augustus "This collective consciousness creates a strong internal bond and cohesion among the living members of a society and their ancestors and
predecessors, and determines the character of relations not only among themselves, but also
with other nations."

And what right does one generation have to throw all that away? How ironic that when we became rich and fully democratic we used our votes (not me personally) so foolishly to throw everything away, not just for ourselves, but for future generations. How easily are the foolish deceived. The voters are thinking of their petty spites and envies when they vote, and about who will bribe them or favour their own group, and this makes them not notice that those whom they let in have other agendas.

Dave M

"What I find disturbing however is how some bloggers set a same "democracy" with "nationalism". The former does not need the latter, actually the latter can very well endanger the former."

Isn't it the case that Athens (the source of democracy) was nationalistic? So nationalisitic that only Greeks were allowed to watch the Olympic Games, given the Olympics was symbolic of Greece as opposed to other cultures. It was supposed to give Greeks pride in their identity and heritage and so forth. To be a citizen you had to have Greek parentage on both sides apparently. So, Athens, the founder of democracy and source of modern science and philosophy was quite nationalistic. In fact, if anyone ever gets hold of The Republic, it becomes clear Plato passionatly believed in the nation State.
Personally I don't believe the nation state will cease to exist. It's under threat, of course, due to rapid travel and transport, global capitalism/trading and relaxed immigration with population growth. However, given the nation state has existed since virtual prehistoric times, I don't think people will want to surrender their national identity. Maybe you could call this the Babel phenomenon with a large percentage of politicians imagining a world without contries and nationalities is within reach. I seriously doubt it. Even the Bible refers to a time when people attempted to bypass nationality and linguistic constraints but were unable to do so. Perhaps Babel was symbolic of the current situation today.

John.

John: I would advocate joining EFTA alone and not the EEA, just as Switzerland has done. The EEA only exempts members from agricultural and fisheries EU directives, wheras EFTA exempts a country from all EU legislation whilst still allowing for free trade with all members of the EU. We must be mad to continue being voluntarily milked and bossed around by foreign bureaucrats. What are we gaining from all this that we couldn't be getting, as a free, sovereign country, from EFTA?