The Danish witch-hunt against the truth-tellers

Truthtriumphs

So what's new?

In Holland, an MP has to stand trial, not for telling the truth, which is not the issue, but for supposed incitement of hatred against Muslims.
In Sweden, a small town called Malmo has been allowing a hate campaign against its Jewish community by the powerful Muslim community there, with the full participation of its mayor, driving the Jews out, and that's all OK.
BTW, the mayor justifies the violence by blaming the "policies" of the Israeli government.
The wonder is that decent people are not taking to the streets to demand the end to this obscene favoured status afforded to those Muslims who want to turn Europe into their sharia idyll, and against the wishes of those decent Muslims
who want a genuinely free western lifestyle.
The inescapable truth is that our "leaders" are terrified of stirring Muslim anger, and have abandoned genuine government.
Their problem, and ours, is that we are all reaping the whirlwind.
There is another tragedy here, in that Denmark always stood for decency and courage against tyranny, as in WW11, no matter the danger to themselves.
This seems to have changed.

Mjolnir de Jersiaise

Yes, it's outrageous isn't it? But don't forget, the BNP's Nick Griffin was put on trial for attempting to raise this very issue, and the English-speaking media didn't speak out then either...

Adrian

Mind you, at least Danish newspapers are allowed to publish cartoons.

michael

The surface is finally behind scraped.
I like language like 'social stereotyping'...There's no implication of criminality so those in the firing line, mindful of their CVs, need not run a mile.

Austin Barry

And to think that these wimps used to be Vikings. Odin weeps in Valhalla.

Allan Hansen

<<< Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.—

In2minds

@Adrian - January 11th, 2011 11:21am

"Mind you, at least Danish newspapers are allowed to publish cartoons".

I'm not sure the word 'allowed' gets it right, I think some newspapers decided they should. On the other hand the Spectator decided not to publish those controversial cartoons. It's a free world, so they say, so all you need is a sense of purpose and a bit of courage, which the Spectator lacked on that occasion.

Dr Michael Salt

I note that the vile BBC, our "national broadcaster" (sic), has failed to notice this story. What a surprise!

Pall Leosson

In Orwell's "1984" the Ministry of Love dealt with Hate, the Ministry of Peace dealt with War, the Ministry of Plenty dealt with Rations. In Canada the Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms is the Ruling Tyrant of this once democratic dominion, restricting free speech and the rights of those who respect the Judeo-Christian ethos, while supporting multiculturalist mendacity and hate, and endorsing the cult of neo-Marxist terrorism and dictatorship under the insidious guise of a very false notion of "tolerance."
So it is the same in Denmark, in Holland, in Britain (in all the European Union), in the United States, in Australia . . . pity our Western Culture and Civilization in the throes of self-sabotage and encyphalophobic suicide.

karen

"They rape their own children". Can you really not see what is wrong with this blanket statement? Can you really not see the logical difference between that statement and the statement that "Americans make good films"? Or are you, as I suspect, just being perverse.

J D Bryan

This attack on free speech, literally endorsing intolerance in the name “fighting” intolerance, is the product of Left wing dogma. Specifically, that it is all pervading is due to the Soft Left who have adopted political correction and dominate most western the institutions. Yet as we know, political correction is a neo-Marxist creation designed to undermine the west. This constant threat to liberty is thus the product of the Hard Left. It seems we have been so busy watching for the dangers of the Far Right we have been mugged by the Hard Left.

charles soper

Outrageous, thanks for publishing this, Melanie.

Ian Hills

What sickens me about much of the Jewish press (eg JC) is that by allying itself with the left - for fear of "nazis" taking over - it is effectively endorsing the left's partnership with violent, anti-semitic islamicism. Siding with the right makes far more sense these days.

david elder

To Karen who became indignant at 5.31 pm re a 'blanket' statement about muslims raping daughters in honour-crimes: Karen, from your post it is impossible to tell whether it was blanket or not because you don't give the context.

Augustus

Yes, Europe's freedom will be consumed by these flames, and Democracy will fall victim to itself.

Simon Denis

The worldweary response to this outrage just adds to the misery. So what's new? Let it be a refusal to go along with the left's asphyxiation of our society. Merely by asserting our defiance we contribute to the fight, although it would be wonderful to know how to do something more without either falling in with fanatics or being led up the garden path of self-neutering "moderation".

J D Bryan

This attack on free speech, literally endorsing intolerance in the name “fighting” intolerance, is the product of Left wing dogma. Specifically, that it is all pervading is due to the Soft Left who have adopted political correction and dominate most western the institutions. Yet as we know, political correction is a neo-Marxist creation designed to undermine the west. This constant threat to liberty is thus the product of the Hard Left. It seems we have been so busy watching for the dangers of the Far Right we have been mugged by the Hard Left.

Augustus

And to think that all that is needed under this penal code is for somebody to feel offended, and that it is immaterial whether a statement is true, or untrue. Beyond belief! As the man said in 1984: "If the state
tells you two plus two equals five, it equals five. And if the state tells you two plus two equals three, it equals three." But what if the innocent
citizen thinks, 'what if it really equals four and the authorities cannot stand the truth?' What does the innocent citizen do then? surely there must be an alternative to submission, confessing to 'allow us to get home early'?
The answer, of course, is a Wilders for every nation in Europe. A PVV that a massive majority can vote for. And, as things stand today, that day will come.

Alex Bensky

Unfortunately, Triuthtriumphs, Malmo is not a small town--it's a city of nearly 300,000 people and there are areas run by Muslims where the police do not go. Because of security threats an Israel-Sweden Davis Cup match had to be played without any fans attending.

No penalty for such threatening behavior, so it continues.

Clear Memories

To paraphrase Churchill, but only very slightly, the truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, it remains the truth and will see the light of day.

Last weekends Politics Show had to be rapidly truncated as the BNP Candidate for Old & Sad revealed firstly the truth about Muslim attitudes to women and girls, then the fact the BNP had been warning about this subject for years and finally that the establishment had sought to prosecute Nick Griffith for seeking to reveal this truth - not once but twice.

The champagne socialists are going to regret their lies and deceipts. The internet has let the genie out of the bottle and they will not get it back in. You can see their fear in the many government attempts all around the world to seek control and limits on this invaluable weapon against their social manipulation.

Mrs.Josephine Hyde-Hartley

Whether muslims may rape their own children because they believe it's honourable, or indeed whether other religious people normally chop bits off their children before they're old enough to understand what's going on - even in the name of clinical hygiene- is not really about freedom of expression or religion, is it?

It seems we're creating more and more stupid tit for tat arguments and conflicts about not only the decisions ( moral or immoral, legal or illegal, work related or otherwise ) we all can make and take privately as common citizens in the domestic sphere, but also the very context of the greater freedom in which we can do so.

It may be terrible that criminal acts happen as it is terrible that we will always have the poor with us - not to mention common kerb crawlers ..but surely we would be in danger of going down the wrong road by thinking such particular events as kerb crawling, incest, rape and so-called honour killings can be prevented by having a go, so to speak, at our greater freedoms/ liberty as private citizens in the domestic or public sphere.

But kerb crawlers operate in the public sphere, where we are all at liberty to wander about anyplace anytime, anywhere.
So what are we to do? Ban individuals from knocking about in public?

john

The Hard/Soft Left wraps itself in saintliness and orders the purging of thought. Little wonder that hundreds of thousands abandon the Left every day. Way past time to put Muslims on the list of banned immigrants - if we want to save Western Liberal Democracy. A former Dutch European Commissioner has stated openly that Jews should leave Europe. This is already happening in Sweden. We can have absolutely no trust in our politicians, Right and certainly not Centre or Left. Think Pattens and Clarks who endorse the acceptance of Turkey in the EU. Past waywardness, but a form of malevolent self-hatred. Chris Patten has yet to have made his voice heard in condemning Muslim persecution of Christians in the Middle East and North Africa. He can't even add his voice to the Pope's condemnation. I am reminded of Amos Elon's book about the destruction of German Jews : "The Pity of it All".

Colin

One of the reasons things have come to such a pass on a community level is that governments and police have not taken consistent and repeated action against individuals, not communities, who have broken the law of the land (whether Denmark or other).

The general level of lawlessness is rising.

John Steadman

In support of the article.

C.Gee

“ His French counterpart explained that the word "political" had been included to make explicit that the "non-Jewish" population were not to be deprived of their existing political rights, which he understood to include the right to vote and take part in elections. "Civil rights" includes political rights.”

You do not give your source for this.

My source says:

“As regards the important question of concerning “civil rights” and “political rights”
contained in the first proviso of the Balfour Declaration, the French argued that the former rights did not include the latter rights under French law, while Lord Curzon maintained that British law, on the contrary, did include them. Millerand explained that what he conceived to be “political rights” were really only “electoral rights” - such as the right to vote and take part in elections. The political rights the French had in mind were thus limited to individual political rights of the members of the religious communities concerned, which did not mean collective political rights for the communities themselves as separate national entities. This ruled out any kind of political or national autonomy of self-determination for the Arabs living in Palestine.”

During these talks, the French position (eventually modified) that France continue to be the protector of the individual political and traditional rights of the Christians in Palestine, particularly the Roman Catholics.

To argue that the language of the Balfour Declaration (adopted into the Peace Treaty with Turkey) simultaneously did not confer “national rights” to the Jews because of preexisting national rights of the Arabs - based on the French insertion of “political rights” under “civil rights” as they pertained to religious groups - but did confer legal affirmation of those Arab national rights, is absurd.

By the way, what “elections” do you imagine the Arabs, qua Arabs, participated in? Turkey had recently adopted electoral laws which allowed the millets to send representatives to Istanbul. But Turkey’s control over the territory of the Middle East was at end. Turkey was defeated. Are you suggesting that the French were concerned that the millets still be allowed to electors to select representatives to Istanbul? If your source provides information that the French wanted to continue the millet (religious district) representation to the new administrative power - please supply it.

Les

some famous politician was said 'FACISM WILL RETURN ONE DAY, DISGUISED AS ANTI-FACISM...'

me thinks that day is nearly here, last one out turn off the light.

R B

So worried about Muslim pedophiles.. seemed to have forgotten about the average white (less sensationalist) pedophiles.

Thom.

C.Gee
January 12th, 2011 7:17pm
I'm sorry, I only just noticed your comments today. You have inadvertently posted them on the wrong thread.

My source is a book by Lloyd George on the peace treaties after WW1. I don't believe our sources differ in essence. One difference perhaps is that, as I understand it, the discussion between the French minister and Lord Curzon was to establish that the terms used in both the French and the English version included political rights.

I am not sure what you mean by "national rights". It is not a question of prior "national rights". It is about the Great Powers holding territories in trust until they deem the population ready to exercise self determination.

It is also nothing to do with allowing the election of representatives to Istanbul. I suspect that was an attempt at satire on your part that backfired.

The Mandates allowed the Great Powers to carve up the territories to suit themselves, but required that the inhabitants of those territories be allowed to exercise a right of self determination. In the case of Palestine, there was the additional requirement that the Mandate Power facilitate a Jewish national home in Palestine. The Mandate goes into some detail about just what this meant. It does not say that it means that the Zionists be allowed to establish a Jewish state. It is unlikely that the 90% of the population who were not Jewish would exercise their individual rights to vote in order to bring about such a state.

I have said that many British statesmen were intent on facilitating a Jewish state. However, this is not what is in the treaties.

I have also said that I do not know how the British expected their Mandate to work. They had given undertakings which could all too easily become inconsistent. Many officials warned of this early on. Many more as the Mandate continued.

The Mandate and 1922 White Paper were not what the Zionists wanted. They were nevertheless a triumph for Zionism, allowing the continued development, with British assistance, of the Yishuv, against the wishes of the majority of the population. In the run-up to WW2, the intifada demonstrated to the British that they had made a strategic blunder in helping the Zionists at the expense of the Palestinian Arabs, thus fomenting unrest in an area crucial to its national interest. Just as it rode roughshod over the Palestinian Arabs in setting up and administering the Mandate, now it rode roughshod over the Zionists in the 1939 White Paper. The Mandate was always primarily about British national interest, and only secondarily about either the Zionists or the Palestinian Arabs.

Australians for Non-Bigoted Thinking

WORDS:THE GREAT INCAPACITATOR

What a captive to language our freedom of speech has become.

Words have been so perversely manipulated by Leftist political idealogues, to suit their purposes.

Let alone the well travelled defamatory techniques that contribute to one being misinterptred, such as quoting out of context, and falsely impugning meanings that are biased and untruthful, we live in an age, that very words themelves, have lost their true meaning.

For instance, in many instances one cannot fairly criticise a race or a woman without being labelled 'racist' and 'sexist' respectively. The meaning of these words has now been hijacked, so they have become political and legal barriers to fair and open debate.

The results can be disastrous for society. Serious problems, such as terrorism, criminality, and the second rate treatment and abuse of women, fail to be addressed.

Where once upon a time, words, be it in writings or speech, were the great emancipator of man and a vanguard against tyranny, that set the truth free, they are now, fast becoming his captor, trussing his freedom of expression up, like a mummy's bandages.

Sue

Also in Austria tomorrow, Elisabeth Sabaditsch Wolff is going on trial for a very similar crime, only this time she quoted from the Koran and is being tried for hate speech???

AndyRoo

And Baroness Warsi wonders why people in the UK distrust muslim customs

Andrea

@ Karen. Wether you agree with this mans statement or not is not the point. It is wether or not he has the right to say it. There are many things I do not agree with. That I find rude and offensive. I have seen episodes of Family Guy and Southpark that crossed my line of decency. SO I CHANGED THE CHANNEL! I did not write them a letter, call them, try to get them prosecuted or contact the human rights commission, and fir these particular episodes, based in a similar context of offense, I'm sure I could have. People are allowed to have an opinion that you don't like, they're allowed to say it ( or at least they used to be) and you can choose to listen, or not to listen, criminalizing opinion is wrong. People need to remember that.

And perhaps the man made a blanket statement saying "they rape their children", because the abuse in these homes us something that upsets him, so at that moment he didn't take care to be more specific: "There is a great deal of family rape in many Muslim homes." because he felt strongly about it. Have YOU never made a blanket statement? In all your life?

Sten Sture

Problem is that it’s the political elite, and the educational elitists in Sweden that is responsible for the double standard on what is allowed or not allowed to speak about in SE. We got today a one party state with one party standing out from this. The Politicians has left this to sort itself, and it will sooner rather than later. Why does no one react in SE? Take a look at our media outlets such as newspapers and our news channels. The message is clear. We that see problems with this are the problem, not the system. Welcome to Lebanon SE 2050 largest political party Hezbollah or the Muslim Brotherhood.

Rob

Thank you for bringing this to light, Another case of how we constantly need to fight for our freedoms and a just society or we will loose them.

Eugene Furbin

In my book Squelch the Vermin, I say that unless Europeans and Americans unite in a strong weaponed resistance and throw over the existing Socialist and Liberal regimes in Europe, Islam will flood into the West and finally strangle it. Political correctness is a form of social madness, a mental disease that will be lethal for Europe. A revolution against the falsely "democratic" regimes that cultivate high criminality and multicultural and multiparty fraud and destroy critics and their right to freedom of expression is the only real solution. Only if such a revolution breaks out, a full liberation of Islamic presence in Europe and elsewhere in the West would be possible. It means war on a large scale, but it is the only price to be paid for liberation and rescue from death. Just like a surgical interference in case of a deadly disease. The existing millions of Muslims in Europe must either fully integrate or be forcefully deported to countries of their origin. All the borders must be closed for any immigration from Third World countries. Illegal immigration must be considered as crime and severely punished.

OnTheRoadToSuccess

I think many people, including advocates of free speech, are yet to fully understand that freedom of expression has legal limitations. It's unacceptable to defame and denigrate a group of people in the name of free speech. Rights go hand in glove with responsibilities and duties. It's that simple.