The Hamas/al Qaeda/Fatah axis

Al Redwod

On IL T V one could see and hear one of the usual Muftis inside the Al Aqsa mosque screaming that a nation (Ummah) of more than a billion people, will produce millions of new Osama. Go to work Sr. Obama!

gary ashton

the united nations is useless and needs dismantling immediately, the western left is a bunch of anti semitic zombies who are filled with jealous hate and ignorant envy for the one country that has held on to it's integrity since it's creation.of course these idiots won''t admit they made a mistake nor will they admit they have treated israel unfairly and to a different standard they would another country, because they have no humility and their agenda is as rotten as their understanding of the problem. english tax payers should demand the release of the balen report and insist on the bbc being held into account publicly. off course none of these things will happen because generally people are happy to be force fed drivel with a plastic spoon.

Stan

It really is tragic how readily the useful idiots of the mainstream media ignore the truth even when it smacks them in the face. Much as I would like to believe otherwise, I despair that articles like this are only read and understood by those who already know the truth.

Grumpy true Zionist

Israel has been at the leading edge in the war against muslim terror, virtually since its inception

it has been called many things over the years- this war on terror - but fundamentally it is a war of civilization vs barbarity

it has begun in the me - with Israel, because geographically this is the easiest place for islam to engage its forces of darkness, with those of civilation ie we (the muslims) glorify death, whilst you in the west glorify life

this battle/war that has begun so many years ago in the me, will most surely take hold in europe (the clear signs are there already, for those with a keener understanding of events), and no matter how many 'arab springs', the west (what is left of it), will have to face down this scourge - or submit to it (a burka for every woman - to prevent rape)

yep, something that all the fifth columnists/apologists/leftwingnut dhimmis can look forward to with glee (don't forget that you won't be able to debate this anymore, in your favourite little taverns - they'll be peopled by men in long dresses smokin hookas, and playing with strings of beads)

as for me, born out of the ashes, i know only this one thing

NEVER AGAIN

david elder

Osama was an 'Arab holy warrior'? One out of three - he was an Arab. And a lot of them won't weep for his parting.

Terry in Oz

The hamasshole pact with fatahsshole is merely the placing of two alley cats in the same cage.

They will turn on each other viciously. Nothing will prevent that.

Whatever the story being put out about these Jew hating organisations now being in bed together, it will end in death, murder and bile. It always does in the islamic arab world.

Israel should make it clear that there will be no contact with a nazi style government which includes hamasshole. No soviet pact with the nazis to be signed by Israel.

And wait for them to destroy each other thereafter.

Am Yisroel Chai.

Kermack

From Nabil Shaath & Mahmoud Zahar today - Quartet conditions are irrelevant & Palestinians will not recognize the rule of "Poles and Ethiopians''
Hardly the words of people seeking reconciliation, and though I'm sure many here will blame us Israelis I for one, who believed in peace has finally given up hope today....

dr Michael Salt

Someone recently described Israel's choices as being between the Genocidal Pragmatists or the Genocidal Lunatics.

Exactly.

Stephen Rothbart

I see that Netanyahu is going to try to press David Cameron not to recognize the new Hamas/Fatah Palestinian state, but since Cameron's new BF is Sarkozy and he is already on the way to doing so, Netanyahu is probably wasting his breath.

The Useful Idiots are so cynical these days, that they just accept that rhetoric coming from a politician's mouth is a negotiating point. So when they hear Hamas say they will not recognize Israel and want the Jews all dead, they think this is just the begining of a sentence that goes on with the word "unless..."

But the only thing that follows statements like this is a full stop.

Watching Cameron once again raising the Israeli/Palestinian peace process in his speech about the death of Osama bin Laden shows how little he knows about the problems and complexities of the Middle East.

And sitting right behind him, nodding sagely like one of those dogs in the back of a Ford Anglia in 1972 was the Foreign Secretary, William Haig.

Poor Netanyahu. Chance of success, nil to zero.

Miranda Rose Smith

If a Palestinian state is ever established, among the first people to suffer will be the now-so-called "Palestinians," who, as I've been saying for years, are historically, culturally and linguistically ARABS. The ARABS who were either expelled from Israel in 1948, after five Arab states rejected the U.N. partition plan and attacked Israel, or who left Israel in 1948, believing that the Jewish state would be defeated in a week and they could come back and loot Jewish property, could and should have been taken in by the Arab states in general and Jordan in particular. The western liberals think there's a "Palestinian" refugee problem now? Wait till they're all pouring out of Hamastan, as though it were a building on fire. Would you want to live in Hamastan? They won't head for any Moslem or Arab state; they know the Moslems and (their fellow) Arabs don't give two hoots about them. Like the Western liberals, the Arab states care about the now-so-called "Palestinians" only as cat's paws to finish off Israel for them. They won't head for Greece. The Greeks remember what it was like to live under the Turks. They'll be heading for, and setting up states-within-states, in France, Spain and Italy.

raymond d

Please, could people listen to a piece by Jeremy Bowen on radio five live at approx 11;30 am 4/5/11. The Gaby Roslin show on Thursday morning. Then, please make a complaint to the BBC regarding this stunning example of Bowen Bias regarding Israel and his love affair with the Hamas/palestinian agenda.

raymond douglas

Sorry, that piece on the GABY ROSLIN show, BBC five live. Not Thursday, but WEDNESDAY, 4/5/11 at 11;30am. Please listen and complain !

Forest Fan

raymond..isn't that normally the Nicky Cambell/Shelagh Fogarty spot?

Who cares?

Gabby Logan?

aelle

Victoria Derbyshire actually, but as our complainant originally was under the impression that today is Thursday it's par for the course.

Having listened to Bowen's exposition of Fatah, Hamas, Egyptian and Israeli positions it is difficult to see what the cause of the raised blood pressure might be.

I'm almost tempted to feel sorry for the broadcasters confronted by the Zionist rent-a-complaint mentality.

Raymond.d

Sorry, sorry, for getting the name of female five live presenter wrong ! It's just that so many of them sound the same to me ! Now, if they were putting a canny geordie lass on, that would be a different story !

David D

Is there more to this than appears at first sight? Conflicting reports are being made about what happened when Bin Laden was killed. Surely the crowd in the White House watching this event unfold could tell if Bin Laden was armed or not, if his wife was trying to defend him or being used as a human shield. I'd mot convinced that we have the truth yet - or if we ever will - but if it looks like a fish, and if it smells like a fish, and if it swims like a fish, it's fishy !

Stephen Rothbart

Don't bother complaining to the BBC. They are blind to reason and under existing and future leadership editorially biased. Just don't listen anymore. Nothing will change if you write. They recruit from the Left and they get too much revenue from Middle Eastern advertising.

Think how many journalists they have reporting out there. Just like Britain's Foreign Office, the BBC is stuffed with Arabists.

They even found a HR spokesman to lament the killing of bin Laden.

I am only surprised they have not found a Mideast link to the killing. Their friends in Hamas must be sleeping

andromache

The comments from prominent Palestinians are quite preposterous; if they can't run a tiny statelet (with all the alleged Iranian help), the bloodcurdling rhetoric need not scare us. Iran aside, the Online Begetter of Hamas in its current phase is Condoleeza Rice - her gamble that tactical support for 'democratic' Fatah would lead to the defeat of Hamas merely consolidated them in Gaza.

Stephen Rothbart

David D: You are right. This was just a ruse to re-start Obama's flagging reputation.

Osama was not killed by US armed forces.

Consider this. Osama was not present at William and Kate's wedding ceremony.

Then the same weekend he turns up dead.

It's clear that in actual fact and based on the evidence before us that Osama bin Laden actually committed suicide from being the only homicidal representative of a Middle Eastern regime not to have received an invite to this wedding.

Obama thought he could get away with this, but we are too sharp for him.

The only thing was, that having claimed a resounding moment in history, and getting his spokesman, Brennan, to give a detailed report on how this was the bravest decision made by a President in the entire history of the world, possibly the Universe, the rest of what Brennan said was apparantly bogus. No fight back by an armed Osama, no female human shield, etc. We know this was an Obama initiative because in the end he bungled it by getting his Press Conference messed up.

And as a result, we now see that Osama's death was simply down to a cunning strategy by our own Royal Family!

Well spotted David!

Another Joshua

It is all so depressingly predictable. On 11 September 2001 the cameras caught the Palestinian crowd in jubilant mood with Arafat's sombre expression trying to appear statesmanlike.

Just under 10 years on and successors in place, and the present leadesrship treat OBL's demise as a national tragedy, which it is for Israel, since it confirms again and again that it has no partner to make a peace deal in the forseeable future.

Truthtriumphs

aelle
May 4th, 2011 2:24pm

"I'm almost tempted to feel sorry for the broadcasters confronted by the Zionist rent-a-complaint mentality"....

listening, as you do, from "occupied territory" in the Hampstead Garden Suburb, or would that be "occupied territory" in Tel Aviv and Haifa?

Drakken

David
I really don't care what OBL was doing in his final moments, he more than deserved one in the chest and one in the head, good riddance. His no.20th wife had more balls than he did. As for fatah and hamas, that is a blood bath waiting to happen and I can honestly say that I will get out the popcorn and watch with amusement.

JOHN ROOSEVELT

Rumour has it that the Navy Seals who 'depsatched" Osama were carrying cloned passports..

..but surely that can't true because they didn't need to show passports, did they???

David D

Stephen Rothbart (May 4th; 4:12pm) I did overlook bin Laden's absence from THE WEDDING, but I still thought it a bit odd that despite many senior members of Obama's administration witnessing OBL being shot by the Seals the spokesman made so many basic mistakes about what happened. This is the same administration that criticises soldiers for making mistakes in the heat of battle. There now seems questions about whether bin Laden was shot at the scene or taken alive. I don't think it matters much if you care about what happened to him or not, but I think we should all care that the information (propaganda?) coming out of the US administration is so self contradictory that it's hard to know what to believe. Right now, I'm just reserving judgement - about what happened in Pakistan, not about guests at the Wedding.

GaryL

"I'm almost tempted to feel sorry for the broadcasters confronted by the Zionist rent-a-complaint mentality"....

Where do I apply, and how much can I charge?

Archie

Not to worry, Miss Phillips, I give these jokers six months max before they're at each others' throats again!

Miranda Rose Smith

Archie
May 5th, 2011 5:26am
Not to worry, Miss Phillips, I give these jokers six months max before they're at each others' throats again!

Dear Archie: I think it will be more like six weeks.

Dai of Edinburgh

'Arab holy warrior'? What, killing and maiming unarmed and unsuspecting men, women and children in office blocks, market places,on school buses and at wedding receptions etc? That's Haniyeh's definition of a warrior, is it? Shows how warped minded these people are.

Surprise Surprise

I bet that Osama was arrogant enough to believe that they'd take him alive when the day came. He had probably visualised his interminable trial, practised his Holy gaze and finger point in his mirror and prepared his rambling closing speech.
I hope he had just enough time to be surprised between muzzle flash and impact. Ridiculous of course - he was out like a light, unlike many of his victims. Merciful for him.

Okey

In any case, the "Palestinian Authority" aka Fatah aka PLO, share Hamas's goal of obliterating Israel.
They play the "good cop", "bad cop"routine.
And it was the wishful thinking of Shimon Peres, that conned Yitzhak Rabin into giving the bad "good" cop his entree into pseudo-respectability.

matt

you mean the same Fatah that was hijacking planes and murdering civilians back in the 1970's and 80's?

The hatred ebbs and flows and is stoked and banked by those in power in order to maintain power. With so much turmoil in the region, it is a minefield and the West must adjust to that reality.

Ben-Tsiyon (ha rishon)

Yep, Okey, Shimon Peres and the late Yitzhak Rabin caused irreparable damage to their country and people by recognising, under the Oslo Accords of September 13, 1993, the discredited PLO as the representative of the so-called Palestinian people. The PLO, of course, reneged on the several undertakings it entered into under the Accords.