A milestone victory

field

Great news!

The people of France who have allowed this libel to be spread must now hold a full and open inquiry to establish the truth.

david steinberg

Now we will await how the BBC Guardian and other Israeli hating media will react to this landnark judgement reminiscent of the Dreyfus case many years ago.
Congratulation to Landes. Karsenty and all those who never gave up the chase for justice.

Ian G

Miss Taylor, if what you claim is true, why is there an INCREASING number of arabs in Israel? You accuse the Jews of casual genocide but they do not seem to be very efficient at it. The Jews have the capability to wipe out the arabs, but they don't. Maybe it's because there are hundreds of millions of arabs all over the Middle East and Northern Africa, but the Jews just want a tinsy little bit of this territory to call home. Why don't the arabs return Egypt to the Copts (the original and Christian Egyptians)? For the same reason they want rid of the Jews,. the Islamic equivalent of 'acquis communitaire'. 'We've grabbed it; it's ours; you can't have it back!'

david steinberg

The can of worms and its festering contents has been prized open. There is much to reveal inside such as the complicity of not only France2 Enderlin and his colleagues to preserve thier elitist amoral positions, in the subversion of truth in the acceptance and dissemination at face value of staged Palestinian propaganda falsehoods When the western mainstream media helps that same enemy to concoct frauds that impugn and parayze Israel, America or western democracies it is nothing less than Demopathic treason
This is a real opportunity to shine light on the complicity of all of the world’s media, not just in propagating the al Durah blood libel but in perpetuating cycles of damaging propaganda being produced by Islamist operatives and mainlined into Western Culture by thousands of journalists who, like Enderlin, have compromised their professional codes of ethics and become conduits of demopathic poison.

Thinkster

@Miss Taylor: I rarely comment negatively on other people's postings, but you are what is known in the trade as a pathological liar - and your very words are very very dangerous. Do you really believe for a second the IDF (who are under the command of a an elected government of good concience) would resort to such practices? Why? And where is the evidence from hidden video cameras smuggled in by caring journalists? There is no evidence, because it doesn't happen. The children are USED by their 'loving' parents to entrap the IDF who once in a while may accidentally kill or injure a child while defending themselves or in cross fire. Oh, and in all wars, (WW2 London for example) real civilians are killed. That is war for you! And the war and killing will stop when Israel is left alone to blossom. And when that happens, everyone will benefit, Arab and Israeli alike. The reason they want rid of Israel is because it is a democracy and therefore a threat to their stone age way of life that is based on fear based values rather than spiritual and/or democratic enlightenment. And that Miss Taylor is the truth.

therzal

Thinkster...
Then please explain why 25% or more of all victims of the IDF in Gaza are CHILDREN..??
Israel is a democracy??
Try telling that to a Palestinians Arab who can't build on his own land whilst all around are massive settelments going up on Palestinians land for yet another wave of "new Jewish" settelrs.. Like some of the South America recently converted to make up the numbers..
Where do you get this nonsense from??

dmgold

Miss Taylor, "al Dura" was fabricated, "Jenin" was fabricated, Israelis infecting palestinian children with aids was fabricated, the Israeli "seige" is fabricated to suite Hamas needs, " The occupation" is a fabricated term along with "resistance". The "Palestinian People" are a fabrication. In short the Arabs have fabricated an entire people and created a new historic narrative as a strategic weapon to pry the Jews from the land of Israel, that you call "Palestine" which ini tself was a fabrication of the Romans in an attempt to expunge the connection of the Jews to this land. Great that this fabrication has been exposed, sad that no press/media will pick it up. I would call it a hollow victory.

Bart

Miss Taylor's opinion is simply the same as the vast majority of European Christians. She opposes the very existence of Israel, she undoubtedly rejects not only our right to live in Tel Aviv but our right to live in London or Paris. Any Jew who remains in Europe when he can flee to the US or Australia or Israel or the Far East has to be utterly insane or at least masochistic.

field

Miss Taylor -

Why do you say you very much doubt it was fabricated?

"So my point is whether or not this case was fabricated and i very much doubt it was ..."

And what evidence do you have that killing of Palestinians by Israelis takes place EVERY day?

George Steiner

For those of you not familiar with the age distribution of the Gaza strip. 50% of the population are 17 years old or there abouts. If you tossed a ball into the strip at random it has a good chance of hiting somebody under 17 years old. Of course to most of you a 17 years old is a child. But in Arab lands he often carries a gun. To most of you an 11 year old girl is a child but in Arab lands she can be a mother.

david steinberg

Yes Bart, i am one of those who fled to Australia for vey much the reasons you have stated. One of the countries where the air is fresh and untainted by the stench of Israeli hatred promulgated by years of Islamic propanganda and readily absorbed by tens of thousands of european demopaths. Demonification of Israel, America and Western imperialism is its staple diet. So eager for evidence of Israeli attrocities it has given rise that a whole industry, known as Pallywood to supply and feed their hunger. Enderlin and so many other western news agencies were a complicit part of that industry, believing their lies and distortions would remain unchallenged.. And even if they were, only A TINY MINORITY of the general public would ever hear about it. One of the few countries which will give this blood libel scandal a full airing will no doubt again be Australia because it is precisely devoid of islamist backed demopaths in the press and universities and still remains proud of its democratic values,
Israel’s fight for survival is a microcosm of the conflict between Caliphate Islam and Western democratic Civilization. This is a complex and deadly conflict, made more deadly than necessary by lack of inter-cultural understanding. Among the major contributors to this incomprehension, the mainstream media plays a critical role. The media’s failure to realize how our enemies systematically exploit them in the asymmetrical war on democracy makes them easy dupes in that war. The media are not alone as dupes though, as westerners, we are all hobbled by many cultural blind spots which fester in the corridors of moral equivalence, political correctness and multiculturalism.

Wilbur Post

Miss Taylor's post was only the second comment in this section and demonstrates how opportunistic these Israel bashing liars really are.

They have no shame whatsoever and they hang around and have the chutzpah to repeat the same sort of blood libel against the Jews that was freshly discredited by the French appeal court.

jaq

To: therzal. Where do YOU get your nonsense from? Your statistics are without any foundation. But then you know that, don't you

JJS

Miss Taylor is simply someone so fuelled by irrational hatred that "she" is almost certainly delirious. I happened to have been in Israel last week visiting a terminally ill friend at a hospital in Jerusalem. This hospital treats all patients, Israelis and Arabs, equally and for free. A trio of Arab women came in for treatment. While receiving their treatment, they lost no opportunity to be rude and abusive to their (Jewish) doctors and the other (Jewish) patients. At one point they were actually mimic-ing the nurse (who had a limp) and making fun of her handicap. It was a most ugly moment, and the hatred emanating from these three people was palpable. Yet, they continued to receive treatment. To then read the sort of hate-inspired nonsense that the anti-Semitic Miss Taylor vomited all over all of our screens makes me realise what a liar he/she is and how their "statistics" and "facts" are plucked out of their own bigoted brains.

Ben-Tsiyon (ha rishon)

Note that the rabid Miss Taylor refers to "Jews" and not just "Israelis". So you see, we (all Jews, wherever we are) are all in this together! Message here for all those stalwart "Britishers" (they think!)who fell over themselves to write to The Guardian with their assurances that they would not be celebrating Israel's 60th. What a disgusting bunch!

Pete Hoskin

Ann: just received your comment, and you're right - that comment shouldn't have slipped through the net. It's been taken down now.

Pete Hoskin

Just to clarify for everyone else: the post by 'Miss Taylor' has been taken down now.

JJS

Does Ann have specific access that the rest of us do not?

Pete Hoskin

JJS: No. She just sent in a comment via the normal method (i.e. the method you've just used). I saw it and thought I'd reply.

Incidentally, Ann's comment hasn't been published because it quoted from Miss Taylor's offending post.

Adam B.

Fantastic news! I remember the footage being used in an "educational" childern's programmes, designed for schools on Channel 4, with a voiceover "informing" children abou these lies. This image was used as propagandaagainst Israel, for children in the UK! Will Channel 4 issue an apology? By the way, has all the video been seen? I believe that some has still be kept secret by Enderlin and France 2 (which is state owned). ALL the footage needs to be seen.

Jon_Boy

It won't change Jack sh**t!

Does anyone really think that the juggernaut of anti Israel hysteria will be swayed one jot by this exposure?

Lets get real the only reason other nations eventually came to the Jews rescue, by standing up to the Nazis, was when confrontation became unavoidable for those nations.

The liberartion of the Nazi death camps was just the by product of other nations self interest in stopping the Nazi war machine.

We are in the same situation today. The developed nations will aid the Islamic world in its quest for anihilation of Israel and the jewish nation, as long as it suits them.

Only when the West and its citzens feel the heat of this Islamic onslaught might there be a by product of a softening line on the anti Israel hysteria.

Until then expect years of the same. In the mean time Israel would do well to throw out its left wing ideologue collaborators. Or at the very least remove their dual citizenship passports and also make them sign legally binding agreements that will not allow them to seek asylum in the Western world if the Arabs ever over run or out populate Jews in Israel.

Omachus

the BBC did report on Al-Dura in the past, but now that the "wrong" side has won, their silence on this case is deafening

Pedro (Portugal)

Great news indead.
Will France 2 ever apologise ?

Ann

Thank you so much for your quick action, Pete.

My original comment wasn't really intended for publication anyway - it was just a way of reaching you. I'll leave it to you to decide whether this one should be shown. Thanks again.

Dan S

search google news for articles on this judgement. You'll see Ha'aretz, Jerusalem Post, CAMERA, etc. -- all of whom preach to the pro-Israel choir. What you won't see is the Arab or mainstream media picking up the story. Funny how they jumped on the same story when it was "Israel's fault."

Huw Thornton

Thanks for posting this item, Melanie. It's obviously a very important judgment. It will be even more interesting to read the full judgment if and when it becomes available.

Ann

Omachus, there is a discussion of this issue on the Biased BBC website - have a look.

Bwilliamson

So Miss Taylor is removed and my comment not used? Is this censorship of a kind not even CiF would use?

Ravi

When Sky showed the Al Dura fake on its anniversary it did add a comment "in disputed circumstances"

Ellien

Dreyfuss, Al-Durah, blood libels - as long as The Protocols are not given a hearing on the world stage, and completely and wholly discredited, publicly, globally, nothing will change. Would the UN contemplate taking this issue to task? Is there a UN delegate willing to do it, from a country which will let him or her do it? The Protocols are used in the Islamic world to justify their war against the Jews and to educate the young to its fabrications and lies. I didn't read Miss Taylor's post but perhaps she too was raised at the breast of the Protocols. In the UK how many have read them or even heard about them?

Commondog

A shame I didn't get to see the Taylor offering.

Would it not have been useful as a specimen of its type I wonder?

About the French court ruling: of course it's great news that the fabrication has been caught out, but it's one stage in one case only. The hate machine has been active in so much since then. And they are winning again and again, simply because we fail to show up.

We need to get up to their speed on the media front so that the hideous imbalance in the popular mindset is put right.

However, I refer to a 'we' which assumes a kind of togetherness which - looking at some of the comments - is sadly lacking. A common standing has to be found and fostered if we are to have any chance of survival in the struggle ahead.

Ellien

Ann - I searched the BBC website but could not find the discussion you mentioned. Would you kindly post a link or instructions on where to find it? Thanks.

Dr david Murray

For goodness sake don't censor self destructing comments and then leave the replies in some no man's land where there is no reference to the source. It's impolite to the readers and smells of Cif.

Ann (the original)

On the subject of fakes, you may all (bar one) be interested to know that there is in fact a fake blogger doing the rounds, going by the name of 'Ann'.

I say this as I am the original Ann, the long-standing blogger on this site, and this confused person has assumed my name and identity.

See my protestations on other threads.

Ari

The combination of the hate machine and the demographic timebomb should inspire all loyal and true Jews to make aliyah as soon as possible.

Ariel Sharon was right!

Our future is our past, our end is our beginning. Return to the homeland as soon as possible and before it is too late.

How much love do we really have in our hearts for our homeland and our people?

Stanislav Koblinski

To those who ask why so many Palestinian children are killed, perhaps this goes some way to explain:

Also Thursday, troops discovered a grenade launcher in a schoolyard in the Seja'iyeh neighborhood of Gaza city.

Ann

Pete, please could you do something about this troll who is impersonating me, indeed stalking me from thread to thread? You can see posters' email addresses, and therefore can satisfy yourself that I am the real one and the other one is a troll. And trolls go well together with a swift one in the backside and out they go. Thanks ;)

Ann

Ellien, you won't find the BIASED BBC page on the BBC website ;)
Am I allowed to post links? Let's try:
http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

Ann

David, the post in question contained standard issue blood libel about the Jews, the kind of thing you might read in the Stuermer. It really was quite extraordinarily vile. You can easily imagine what it was without breaking into a sweat, and it had no redeeming features whatsoever.

alan bernson

Hello Melanie:

I went on to google and typed in "el-dura" and also "Kar-senty" I was surprised when I found almost nothing about.

??????

Alan Bernson
Boston, MA.

Adam B.

Wasn't this fake footage cited by the murderers of Daniel Pearl, shortly before they committed their heinous act? How do the people at France 2 sleep at night?

TDK

Can I ask the administrators that if they choose to delete a previously published comment, they leave a marker. (eg. leave the poster name and delete their text if you must). This practice (as practised at Comment is Free) will avoid the peculiarity of comments below which refer to an absent "Miss Taylor".

TDK

"I went on to google and typed in "el-dura" and also "Kar-senty" I was surprised when I found almost nothing about."

"Al dura" returns half a million Google results. There's no E in AL. Karsenty also provides many results. Perhaps the superfluous hyphen has an impact.

Harvey

It is quite absurd that Israel saw fit to make a kneejerk apology before launching a full enquiry.

The Palestinians have proved themselves as masters of illusionary propoganda.

There are numerous recorded instances of 'victims being loaded into ambulances only to stage a remarkable recovery and getting out unaided once the ambulance has moved off and out of camera shot.

There is a hilarious video on You Tube which depicts a 'corpse 'on a stretcher falling off ,smiling sheepishly and getting back on pulling the sheet over his head once more.

According to the Palestinians a massacre had taken place in Jenin following the Israeli incursion in 2002.

The world media swallowed it whole .By the time it was exposed as a heinous lie the media had moved on .

However the damage was done.

This art of propoganda is perfectly acceptable in war.The problem for Israel is that Hamas are seeming past masters in duplicity and mendacity.

So nothing new there.

trumpeldor

To therzal
"25% or more of all victims of the IDF in Gaza are CHILDREN"

False figures !
Even should they be real ,I would praise them
Not a bad score in an asymetrical conflict where kids are puposedly embedded with terrorists !
To finish with your nonsense :imagine one day,terrorists from Cornwall harassing a English city with "crude"missiles
I can assure you,within one day,RAF would turn Gaza into a large parking lot for SUVs '

Ann

It's odd, isn't it, and I have no explanation for the fact that Israel (and Jews in general) seem to be not just reactive in the PR sphere but also not very good at it. That's why the Arabs and their stooges manage to sell the utter lie of a 'Jenin massacre' and 'Gaza ghetto under Israeli siege' and all the other nonsense.
Perhaps Melanie should be Israel's Minister for Culture and Media. A dozen more like her, and the problem would be solved.

Seraph

I agree that this is a hollow victory. The damage has already been done and it was so many news cycles ago that the mainstream news outlets will not even have the decency to pick up the story.

More often than not, being a journalist means never having to say you're sorry.

Croat

Melanie Phillips Israel's minister for culture and media?

Since she hasn't got the courage of her convictions to actually go and live there (despite constantly banging on about a homeland for the Jewish people - which would include her), thereby giving us all a break, and because nobody (save you suckers of course) actually believes all this tripe or takes her seriously, I somehow doubt that she'll get that or any other position in the Israeli government.

No, we're stuck with her.
Slavko

YA

Ann:

"Perhaps Melanie should be Israel's Minister..".

Ann you forget, - this is British national newspaper and for those less sympathetic to Israel, it looks like Melanie is managing a Zionist spy nest here.

Instead of diving into hullabaloo discussions on Israel, just try to do something quietly AT HOME.

Boycott and discredit pro-Islamic, pro-terrorist establishment.

Fight against BBC license fee.

Expose lefti mediocrity, relativity, appeasement.

Demand better quality of education.

Make UK decent place, and support for Israel will follow.

Harvey

TO YA

I suggest you take a closer look at Melanies blog history .

Perhaps 1 in 10 relate directly to Israel.

Generally speaking what is important to Israel vis a vis the Islamist terror threat is no less critical to this country and for that matter any other democracy.

Croat

If this site is a source of discomfort to you perhaps you would feel more at home with CIF and the NS or better still Hizb-ut Tahir

Adam B.

Croat, aren't you thre charming individual who referred to Jewish people as "you people" on a previous thread? If you disagree with Melanie, (and you haven't backed your insults with a coherent argument) why do you keep visiting this site?

Ann

Croat, you have displayed nothing but complete ignorance and hate where Israel is concerned. We 'suckers' know more about Israel than you could ever dream of.
Also, Jews are not required to live in Israel - they are free to live in Britain if they choose. I note that you live here instead of in Croatia. So your implied suggestion that Jews should 'Go back home where they belong' speaks volumes about you.

Ann

YA, I suggest that you stop trying to tell Melanie and/or me (your atrocious syntax doesn't make it easy to follow your intention) what to do. For all you know, I am already doing all the things you list. Or I choose not to do them. Why exactly is it any business of yours?

Commondog

(S)Croat.

Go on then fella: why am I a 'sucker' for listening to what this commentator has to tell? Which bit of it is 'tripe' and why?

Or did you just want to be naughty and hear your own lonely voice?

Levy

Congratualations to 'Croat' for incurring the wrath of 'Ann' (original or not) and of the [honest] contributor referring to him/herself as 'dog' (specifically a common one).

At the end of the day, you 'Croat', the Al-Guardian, the Biased Broadcasting Company, Channel Four (Peter Snow especially), all the human rights agencies, the churches, the charities and anyone else who dares to even hint at questioning this woman and her crew of 'Nooo surrender' followers is a liar, a cheat, an anti-semite, an Israel-hater etc. But guess who the real bigots are?

Apart from that we will see what the content of the court's decision is (on the details of the libel case and not on some enquiry (because there hasn't actually been one) into the truth of the original reporting.

Don't get on your high horses yet.

YA

Ann: ..that is just my personal view on the value of propaganda wars.
It is known that IDF, as well as any other Western defence force, don't kill civilians intentionally, - which is an official policy.
Those brainless ones, who try to argue on this (and others reckoning that terrorism might be somebody's "legitimate right"), - do they really deserve such exhaustive attention and discussions?

Ann

Levy, I know perfectly well who the real bigots are on this blog. And in Britain.
Judging by your name (if it's your real name), you should have been aware that truth is not a function of how many people say this that or t'other. But clearly, you are not. You seem to believe that the truth resides in how many people say something.
There are far more Jew-haters than Jew-supporters in the world. According to your 'logic', that means that Jews deserve to be hated.
Al Beeb, for example, is biased to the core against Israel. So is Al Guardian.
Are you, perchance, trying to silence those of us who say so?

Cohen

Hi Levy

Which branch of the Levy family are you ?

Would it be the Levys of Bayreuth LOL

YA

Harvey: I agree with you, however I just reiterate, Al-Dura fraud is an internal business (and disgrace) of the Arab/Muslim society, and a cohort of good Frenchmen or Britons won't change it - this is their lie, their choice, and their destiny.

It is not our Westerners' business to chew this crap.

My interest to this public is functional. Where they are, how many weapons/ammo they have, how good their operational capabilities are - here is a bulk of relevant info.

If tomorrow they will come and offer a breakthrough in bioengineering, nanotechnology, or quantum computations, that will be another story, and different world.

For now they just want to kill and intimidate, in order then to play merciful master doing us a favour by riding on our backs. With or without Al-Dura myth, - that doesn't really matter.

Levy

Ann:
Al-Beeb and Al-Guardian are diverse organisations with a substantial number of [junior and senior] Jewish (as well as other ethnic minority) employees, viewers and readers. I accept you may disagree with some/much/all of what they say, but I can't understand why you, MPhil and others cast them as if they are branches of the British Nazi Party (if such an organisation exists - as it hopefully does not). I really feel that only people with extreme views could simply dismiss Al-Beeb, Al-Guardian, Hiz-but-Church of England, Sheikh Snow and the rest in such a way.

Cohen:
Sorry I disagree with you brother, inconceivable as it may be to you so as clearly to arouse your deepest suspicions.

Commondog

Levy.

In the absence of Croat, then perhaps you could, in simple language, answer the questions I asked?

Never know, we might even end up exchanging ideas here. Bit like a blog.

Ann

I don't recall ever saying that Al Beeb and Al Guardian are anything remotely like branches of the British Nazi Party - but clearly facts are nothing to Levy: hysterical propaganda is everything.
The fact that there are Jews there is absolutely irrelevant. I look at the output of those organisations, not check the ethnicity of those producing the output.
And the output is hugely biased.