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Thursday, 19th June 2008

 


On Centre Right, Douglas Murray makes the point that has been missed about the release of abu Qatada. He has been held under immigration law pending deportation to Jordan—but there would appear to be ample reason to charge him with offences under anti-terrorism law which have been committed in this country. The Centre for Social Cohesion has put up on its website partial transcripts of some of abu Qatada’s jihadi rants in Britain, delivered in Arabic and obtained by the Centre from an extremist website. Its press release reveals for example that
in one lecture ‘Wajib al-Muslim’ (‘The Duty of Muslims’) obtained by the CSC, Abu Qatada explicitly calls on Muslims to murder non-Muslims, saying that: ‘Our countries have been infiltrated by kaffirs [non-Muslims]. It is farid [duty] for us to turn our swords on to them and kill them.’

 

He adds: ‘We must fight the kaffirs. We can't reason with them. We can't reach a compromise and we can't be friends.’ In another recorded speech entitled ‘Seerah’(‘The Path’) he launches a tirade against Christians and Jews while outlining his apocalyptic visions of the future, describing Christianity and Judaism as ‘devil worshipping’ and saying: ‘There will be a great battle against the wathaniyah [Jews and Christians] where the saviour will come back to this earth, the king with an army in the sky, killing the Jews, wipe them out, and rid of the planet of the Jews. Esa [Jesus] will return and spread peace; the majority that remain are those who believe in Esa.’

And today we learn that no sooner has abu Qatada been released than he is releasing a book in which he urges Muslims to commit terrorist attacks upon the west.

In the 71-page tract, published in English translation on the internet, he repeatedly claims that fighting jihad, holy war, is obligatory for all Muslims and urges them to 'terrorise' non-believers. Security sources say his clear incitement to violence makes a mockery of the decision to set him free.

You can say that again. It is indeed baffling that abu Qatada has not been prosecuted in Britain, just as – as I observed in my post yesterday – it is baffling that Samina Malik was not prosecuted for assisting a terrorist. Such lacunae may be occurring through an absence of will. Or it may be that, given our muddled and badly drafted legislative maze, such cases fall through persistent loopholes in the law. In which case such loopholes should surely be closed as a matter of urgency.
 

 

 


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patricia

June 19th, 2008 3:24pm

You really don t want to quote Douglas Murray. Really, you don't.

Having said that I like the way Israel does violence. Abu Qatada preaches and incites violence.

Israel just goes ahead and does it.

charles soper

June 19th, 2008 3:48pm

Absolutely right, Melanie!
Spineless prosecutors and policemen prefer easier targets.

Jay Crawford

June 19th, 2008 4:02pm

My preceding poster demonstrates the lack of perspective which comes from being in blissful isolation from the murderous extremists who are motivated by Qatada and his misogynistic ilk. These "ivory tower enablers" would think otherwise if they lived in proximity to Qatada's followers without a heavy police presence. If they did, the indiscriminate "martyrdom operations" against their families, despite their protestations of "solidarity" with real enemies, they would come to KNOW the falseness of "moral equivalency in isolation".

They'd soon carry guns. I wonder how quickly (and frequently) they would shoot?

James

June 19th, 2008 4:06pm

Israel only defends itself when it has to, patricia – it isn't trying to spread hate to anyone, unlike Abu Qatada and friends.

Funny you can't grasp that.

JJS

June 19th, 2008 4:19pm

Any excuse for your vile anti-Semitism, huh, patricia? What has Israel to do with the current discussion?

TheAntiPatricia

June 19th, 2008 4:22pm

Patricia, please don't sully these pages. There are plenty of actives forums at Stormfront.org for you and your fellow travellers...

N. Simon

June 19th, 2008 4:44pm

It's the same lunacy we saw in the House of Lords regarding the Lisbon Treaty yesterday... they're removing ALL our rights, not listening to us, but are, as they've done for years, rolling out the red carpet for all terrorists!

As has been said previously by an authoritative Muslim:

"Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you."

logdon

June 19th, 2008 5:56pm

Rumsfeld's derided but quite logical known known's etc springs to mind. With 42 days we're in known unknown territory. We know they are suspects but we don't know if they are guilty. The government is hell bent on pursuing this in a politically posturing manner. It could well turn into a gravy train for suspects with the massive compensation package now inbuilt. However with Abu Qatada, he is a known known for reasons outlined in Melanie's article plus being wanted in Jordan and also being an illegal immigrant in Britain. So here we have the real deal, guilty of hate speech and suspected in Jordan of terrorism yet he's out and costing the taxpayer thousands per week just to keep him in comfort. So does this make Brown's prancing around his tough on terror stance a hollow sham? There's no middle road on this. Tough or wimp? How Qatada's compadre's must chuckle!

logdon

June 19th, 2008 6:03pm

patricia
June 19th, 2008 3:24pm
You really don t want to quote Douglas Murray. Really, you don't.

Actually, Patricia you're dead wrong. Whenever he's on Question Time his reasoned logical honesty shines like a beacon amongst the shabby politiking around him and especially from the machine politics Lab bunch. So Patricia, despite your really you don't (so good you say it twice) it's a case of really I do.

Michael Petek

June 19th, 2008 6:03pm

Before disappearing into his MI5 safe house this week Abu Qatada released a book calling on Muslims to wage jihad and terrorise infidels.

So I wrote today to the Metropolitan Police and the Crown Prosecution Service to ask them to investigate him for treason.

Watch this space!

steve

June 19th, 2008 8:05pm

It's not that "baffling" if you think about it. There have been persistent rumours that Qatada has at some point been a British informer. To suggest that a government that just fought a bloody battle to get 42 days without charge is somehow soft on terrorism is ridiculous.

Alice Cripps

June 19th, 2008 8:26pm

Our (unritten) constitution allows for private prosecutions. If you think the case is clear cut, or, as Charles Soper seems to think, that the police and CPS are spineless, then bring a private prosecution.

Kiffa

June 19th, 2008 9:47pm

When are the people who voted for these incompetent New Labour clowns, and all the stupid Visionary laws they have imposed on us (and the sheer insanity that has resulted), going to apologise to the rest of us? When it was clear how useless they were (within 1 year), why did you carry on voting for them? is my next question

Straydingo

June 19th, 2008 9:51pm

Patricia, I would bet my last bottom dollar that you have not even read a complete article or book of Douglas Murray.

As to the rest of your comments...well not worth the effort really.

Cheers

Verity

June 19th, 2008 11:30pm

Kiffa - your point has often occurred to me, as well. I knew, despite his malign face and abnormal "smile", that Blair would get in the first time.

But by the second election, I had assumed that even the thickest voter would have been astute enough to fear this sly and creepy individual. Yet instead of voting against him, the ones who had him sussed simply stayed home and Blair slithered in a second time on a reduced turnout.

Then he got in a third time, despite the damage. Not only unwanted and unnecessary mass immigration from a deeply alien culture, but he and the slithy Trot toves around him elevated the aggressive immigrants to most-favoured status - above the owners of the country. Thought fascism was brought in for the first time ever in our islands. Crime was not addressed, except that victims were reprimanded for trying to defend their property, their families and their lives. (Tony Blair had banned private ownership of guns. I'd like to see him try this in Texas or New Hampshire or Colorado or another 30 states.)

And now Gordon Brown has been revealed to be hopelessly over his head. And obsessively secretive.

But it doesn't matter; the people swimming around him in the top echelon pool are frank opportunists. They are up-front members of the Nomenklatura. No need to hide it any more. After 11 years, the British have become submissive. Save on a few blogs like this one.

You will be hammered into Europe, and Britain will be gone, except as a regional council that owes its fealty (and taxes) to the EUSSR.

Shaun Pilkington

June 20th, 2008 9:43am

Unless he's been turned. Which could notionally explain letting him loose. We did have a grip of him for quite a long time and we do also have a history of 'turning' enemy agents.

Either way, the mere notion that we did, regardless of whether we did or didn't, will cause problems for the wider islamist forces. Can he be trusted? Who did he sell out? What's his goal now? These questions will rightfully preoccupy his AQ clique for time to come.

sebastian

June 20th, 2008 11:01am

This creature would've been banged up in Jordan and promptly expelled from any Gulf State. Why.............and I say this in utter despair.......do we have to tolerate this toxic oaf for even 5 minutes?
What sort of hare-brained legal commitments are they that oblige us to accommodate such vile scorpions?

john doe

June 20th, 2008 11:04am

Given that abu-Oatada is clearly treasonous and seditious in his latest post-release pronouncements and if the Metropolitan Police and Crown Prosecution Service do not take action against him, then I suggest a class action suit suing both these useless bodies for dereliction of duty in protecting the British people and indeed betraying them.

RUTH

June 20th, 2008 12:36pm

Yet again, these posts constitute a catalogue of intolerance and hatred.

One person comes out against the post and the pack of dogs pile in. (aka straydingo...)

What is obvious about you all is that reasoned debate with your antagonists is an impossibility for you.

You all remind me of those frightful occupiers on television last week who nearly beat to death the old Palestinian woman who was trying to tend to her crops.

Tina

June 20th, 2008 2:28pm

Ruth, the intolerance and hated come from Qatada.

Ken

June 21st, 2008 9:15am

Anybody tried an FOI on how many Muslim prosecutors now hold decisionmaking positions in the CPS - might throw some light on the matter

Arthur

June 21st, 2008 10:03am

Patricia, you are an idiot.

Why do you not mention that more than 2,000 rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israelis this year alone.

You think you are being clever and far sighted but you are simply being stupid and dangerous.

I make no apologies if you think this rude. Simpering idiots like you are the reason terrorism happens and endures.

james

June 22nd, 2008 12:54am

he should be deported to jordon because he entered this country on a false passport.

Marwan

June 23rd, 2008 2:51pm

What dis-array the islamic fascists have sown. Isn't it amusing to see the panicked McEwen and Amis, waking up to the danger of islamism, and being savaged by the pc monster they helped create.

Thom

June 24th, 2008 1:31pm

Anti-terrorism law is a nonsense designed as a political weapon against anyone who does not share in the political consensus of our masters in the EU and the UK.

By all means send this pitiful little man back to Jordan to be "questioned" by his own authorities and on his own terms, but why spend the millions it would cost when he has already been found guilty in absentia in his own country?

This is one reason why the Middle East hates us - we protect their fleeing criminals and kill off opposition to hardliners (like the Iranian group you've mentioned many times before, banned in this country) which might promote a better way.

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