Murder and Boon, this wasn't

Shaun Harbord

When are you going to comment on the Israelis bulldozing Palestinian homes and people? It's been going on for years, which does NOT excuse when happened yesterday, but never seems to appear on your radar.

stanley Jerusalem

Extraordinary!
An unbelievably deafening silence.
No aportioning of blame?
No sympathy for the downtrodden underclass?
No commendation of an arab living in israel and earning a living on an Israeli building site?
Oh Islington, where are your outraged sons crying for freedom and emancipation[he had an Israeli ID Card]?
can't someone raise half a whimper for this murderous bastard?

Michael

Proof, if proof was needed (WHICH IT ISN'T), that bulldozers are anti-semitic. They sicken me.

Steven Rothsman

He very well could have been a terrorist, but his yelling out "Allahu Akbar" hardly qualifies him as one. Talk about sloppy.

Joshua

"Talk about sloppy."

Sloppiness had nothing to do with the piece in the Telegraph. That report was obviously motivated by blind bigotry and real hatred.

Ann

Re Shaun: and not a shred of screeching Jew-hatred in sight, eh?

Roslyn Pine

Shaun Harbord.

"When are you going to comment on the Israelis bulldozing Palestinian homes and people?".

The only appropriate comment is that people with an obvious agenda, such as yourself, choose to believe and repeat the lies and propaganda put out by Hamas, the PA and the rest, beamed at the West, in order to put Israel in the worst possible light.
It is well understood by those who care about the facts and the truth, that these "homes" are used as armament depots, the end- points for illicit tunnels dug from Egypt as conduits for arms and munitions and/or locations from which to launch missiles at Israeli towns.
Indeed, the bulldozing and blowing up of homes was a tactic used by the British in Iraq in the 1920's under similar circumstances, but undertaken much more assiduously than by Israel today, and quite right too.
As to "bulldozing people", could it be that you are taken in by the mendacious International Solidarity Movement, which professes to be a peaceful advocate for the Palestinians, but in reality advocates, and is complicit in armed "resistance" against the Jewish State?

Roy

There seems no doubt that some pro-Arab anti Israeli subversives keep a sharp eye on Melanie's blog and throw in their glaringly obvious irrational comments to foster their twistered ideological mindset. It is also obvious that many UK newspapers, ones with household names, have long since been infiltrated by a miasma of antisemitics. It is unfortunate that a country once professing itself a leader in the free world, should descend to such depths as having a press spewing out such mealy mouthed untruths. Or rather a public which puts up with it! And purchasers such tablets of toilet paper.

London Calling

And the response by Israel?

Israel's deputy prime minister, Haim Ramon, yesterday called for some Arab districts of East Jerusalem to be cut off from the city.

Ehud Olmert, proposed demolishing the attacker's family house. Olmert was quoted as saying: "We have to act with a tough hand, to negate social rights and to destroy immediately the houses of every terrorist from Jerusalem." and the police ordering the family of the construction worker that any mourning for the killer was forbidden.

A Cruel act that breeds cruel acts, the never ending cycle of hatred.

Welcome to Gods Kingdom on earth
and its people...

lhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/04/israelandthepalestinians

Ann

And don't forget the state broadcaster, Roy, part of the Ministry of Truth's politburo kommisariat.

Ann

More foam-flecked ranting from Lord Haw Haw.

Sarah

Melanie writes that the man in questiond said:
"Allahu Akbar,’ and stepped on the gas pedal...If that is indeed so, that would suggest that this was indeed a terror attack "

Please can someone explain to me why him being a Muslim or not does or does not make him a terrorist?

I'm sorry but I don't follow that line of reasoning at all.

GaryL

"Ehud Olmert, proposed demolishing the attacker's family house."

Following the practice of the British during the Mandate.

"A Cruel act that breeds cruel acts, the never ending cycle of hatred."

Again - the relationship established by the British during the Mandate.

London Calling

Gary,

I am not responsible for British Mandates....have you anything further to add to my comments?

Roslyn Pine

London Calling.

"The never-ending cycle of hatred".

There is no "cycle" of either hatred or violence.
There are hostile, vicious and unprovoked acts of violence, always initiated by one side against the innocents of the other side.
No prizes for guessing which is which.
Is this poster seriously suggesting that the punishment meted out to the perpetrators and those who harbour them, ie.
the destruction of a house----an inanimate object, compares to the deliberate slaughter this week on Jerusalem's highway?
Is it harsh to destroy a house as a deterrent, compared to the deliberate slaughter of a young mother, inter alia, whose only child, a 6 month old baby, was miraculously pulled from the wreckage of the car moments before it was bulldozed again.
Would "London Calling" tolerate such acts going unpunished if they occurred with regularity in his country of residence?

It is people such as he who gives the green light for the perpetuation for acts of terror, by according them moral equivalence to a strategy of legitimate and comparatively mild punishment.

London Calling

R.Pine

We have a Knife and Gun crime epidemic here in the UK at present and we do not Bulldoze every home belonging to the criminals families and neither do our police forbid the families to grieve for the criminals if they should die, everyone has a right to grieve for a loved one regardless of sin, its only human for a family after all.

You claim it is not a cycle of Hatred but instead 'There is no "cycle" of either hatred or violence. There are hostile, vicious and unprovoked acts of violence, always initiated by one side against the innocents of the other side'

One way thinking is denial of how the ripples expand outwards following this horrific act by a madman on both sides, the consequences of which are inhuman, but as in the words of Simon and Garfunkel, you see it your way and I see it my way, but we both see it slipping away.

Sad but true.

Adam B.

London Calling, your comparison of knife crime in the UK to the genocidal torrent of terrorism facing Israel is truly ridiculous. The policy of demolishing homes of terrorists is not simple vengeance, it is a deterrent, and it has been proven to work. In one instance, a father turned in his own son who was planning a terrorist atrocity. When questioned, it became clear that he had done this not because he was concerned about the innocents who were about to lose their lives, but rather his concern that he and his family would lose their home. It's not nice, but one can't fight a plague of terrorism by being a boy scout. Surely you can see that deliberately murdering innocent people somewhat outweighs a terrorist's house in the moral spectrum? It may also interest you that after the last terrorist atrocity took place in a Jerusalem yeshiva earlier this year (seven children and young men were murdered by an Arab gunman), the "grieving" family of the murderer were allowed to display Hamas flags and pennants (they were so upset they managed to make a political point for a genocidal organization. No sympathy displayed for the victims!) The Israelis (stupidly) let them display their Hamas flags. The Jordanians came and ordered them to remove all Hamas displays. Is your ire also directed against the Jordanians?Terrorism has been meted out against Israel and her people since her birth, and Jewish people in the holy land have faced for over 100 years of this scourge. Give Britain a hundred years of overwhelming terrorism, then we'll see how we act.

David M

Yes, we have a knife and gun epidemic over here in the U.K. and what a pity we lack a Government that would deal with it like Israel does. Or Russia, for that matter. Or even Italy. Much of the gun crime we face today either here or in Europe is linked to overseas nationals. Even the police have admitted such is the case. Putin was less subtle than that recently and stated the U.K. was filled with criminals and terrorists, referring no doubt to the hundreds of Jihadists taking refuge in London. So speaking personally, I wouldn't lose much sleep if we bulldozed the homes of a few knife and gun criminals over here too. P.S. anyone who thinks Israel is harsh should check out how the Russians and Chinese plan to deal with Islamic terrorism. There was talk of actual use of the vacuum bomb against terrorists and Russia now has the most powerful version of this weapon in the globe at present. Israel, under the circumstances, is surprisingly tolerant.

GaryL

London calling

"I am not responsible for British Mandates....have you anything further to add to my comments?"

You'll have to forgive my mistake. You seem to have inherited a simlar attititude, where every defence by Jews is an unreasonable response. Maybe there's a cultural stream in Britain that's responsible for both the Mandate's and your own attitude, and you shouldn't be held responsible for either. Has this sublimnal cultural trend been studied or named by sociologists?

Lynne T

It will be a little while before the whole truth comes out. On the one hand, Dwayat's father is offering condolences to the families of the dead and the injured, but Dwayat's mother was caught on camera praising her son as a shahid.
And then there's the "resistance" organizations -- three of 'em -- all claiming to have Dwayat out on his murderous rampage.

Ros P: Hamas reputedly collects an annual tax of $3,000US off of the homeowners whose homes conceal the tunnels.

Roslyn Pine

London Calling.

"Everyone has a right to grieve for a loved one regardless of sin".

No reasonable person would dispute that, but you are either naive or disingenuous.
Would you say that in a civilised society it would be acceptable for the ritual of mourning to include the celebration of the deaths of innocents who have harmed no-one?
Following one of the numerous suicide atrocities in Israel of recent times, a British journalist covering the aftermath compared and contrasted the stoic dignity of the Jewish bereaved, to the revolting scenes of celebration in the mourning tent of the shaheed, and remarked that the two scenarios, although geographically close, were light years apart in every other sense.
Have you forgotten the obscene scenes of celebration in Palestinian streets following 9/11 ---images that the PA quickly censored because they knew that they would not be well received, even by their sympathisers in the West?
Isn't that kind of behaviour the hallmark of a barbaric society?

As to your remark that "we both see it slipping away"---whatever it is that you mean by that, please do not include me in any of your sentiments.

GaryL

It's all been a big misunderstanding. It was just a normal traffic accident. The Israels had no right to assassinate the driver who lost control of the earth-mover.

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=39844

A Palestinian human rights organisation has described the execution as "violation of the right to life" and are demanding an international enquiry.