Why have a hissy fit over the BNP?

Hawkeye

I think that the BNP should be given a lot more airtime because I do not think that their arguments will stand up to scrutiny. Maybe next Thursday we will have a chance to find out.

I hope the other panelists are up to the job of taking Mr Griffin apart (verbally)!

On the other hand, what shall we do if Griffin performs well? Now that would cause an upset.

John Whyte

Well said Rod. Why can't the main political parties see that they are simply encouraging people to vote BNP by treating them as some kind of Bull of Heaven that must be mercilessly slain.

If Nick Griffin is given the opportunity to air the BNP's real policies on air, the voters will soon desert them. However, the inevitable staged walk-outs of the self-righteous plants in the audience and pickets of the venue will simply allow Griffin to portray himself as the only reasonable one there.

Surely the main parties only behave like this in order to save face with the liberal media to which they are symbiotically linked.

Look on the bright side though, at least Shami Chakrabarti won't be on the panel yet again.

Lupus Lungfish

Dare I say it but the BNP receiving their 900,000 votes in the Europeans certainly performed a useful,legitimate and democratic function. That is to send a clear message to Ivory Towers, Westminster that a large section of society are more than slightly annoyed with being completely ignored. No doubt they will fade into insignificance at the general election.

Paul Evans

Nick Griffin is a foul racist and Holocaust denier who has dedicated his life to hatred, of other races and of Britain itself, with his aborted attempt to extract funds from Libya. He may not have the cerebral capacity to be the demangoue he’d like to be, but there is absolutely nothing “affable” about him.

Carl

Bring it on, make Griffin answer some difficult questions in public for once. He won't stand the scrutiny so I do not believe that we have anything to worry about.

Preventing him from speaking will be a gift to him, he will play the victim again and escape actually having to explain what the BNP are really about.

Dixon

Baroness wots her name? Her Ladyship elected by whom? Her High and Worthy pillar of the esatblishment, from where?

I think Griffin's argument has already been proven.

Kevyn Bodman

I think you are wrong about Griffin not being terribly bright.
I suspect wishful thinking on your part;because his views are so different from yours and those of your commenters you would like to think he's not clever.

A mistake.
Dull people can agree with you and bright people can disagree with you.
It would be unwise to underestimate his likely performance.

And he is certainly not affable.

j

Yes...I can't wait. Give him the rope.

All this mystic of the underdog and poor tortured outsider will vanish.

rod seacole liddle

Paul and others: Well, I've met Griffin plenty of times and even had a drink with him and I've always found him, on a personal level, extremely affable. But also not terribly bright. I don't mean Bob Ainsworth level thick, but he's certainly no Mandelson or Clarke. Speak as you find, etc. I have no argument with the rest of your tirade.

rod seacole liddle

Oh - and John W, yes, absolutely. I am thinking of withholding my license fee if Ms Chakrabarti ever appears on my tv again. I would rather listen to Pol Pot.

Wilhelm

Rod squeeks '' Fat Nick. ''

Thats name calling, thats the kind of behaviour a 5 year uses in the playground, its childish.

Actually when you think about Nick Griffin he is very brave and courageous like Geert Wilders, he has a different point of view on multiculturalism unlike the sheep of liebour, tory liberal and the demented pavlov's dogs of the media who are always squeeeling from the rooftops how bleeeeding wonderous it is.

Wilhelm

Rod

Where was the uproar when the odious George Galloway, leader of the Respect Party or to give its proper name '' The George Galloway fan club '' appeared on Question Time.

He said on Syrian television that and I quote '' May the forces of Allah rise up and expell the infidel British troops from Mesopotamia ,''

Snake oil salesman Galloway even speaks like a muslim, he should stick to Big Brother wearing red lycra tights doing a robotic dance to the music of Kraftwerk and pretending to be cat purring away licking the hand of Rula Lenska.

Thats about his level.

Talking of Galloway , has the Daily Telegraph done his Westminster expenses ?

Jez

"There is no need to panic, there is no need to fret."

(I take it you're reasuring your employers / colleagues of the liberal-left & centre with that one Rod)

I bet there could be a strong case, if sensibly approached that could / would counter that last assumption to those you rub shoulders with. This by just watching the news this last several months and looking at what's coming up in the near future.

Things of interest;

EDL, Casuals, Wilders, BNP, Question time etc, etc.

Your people's answer's to the urban populations concerns in the UK right now;

Zero. Nothing.

Tron

Rod, you say Griffin is not very bright and Mandelson is. Let us see what he and his clever mates Blair and Brown have done.
They claim to help the "hard working" people of this country by letting in millions and millions of legal /illegal people who drive down the wages of the poor and live in the old working class areas so that English people cannot find or afford a place to live.
I could talk about crime where every criminal has their "human rights" but a young mother and her daughter are driven to suicide by yobs attacking her because the police could not tick the box gay or black. She was just a "low level " victim.
Griffin must be "not very bright " to speak up for the white working class. Just leave it to your mates in the Labour Party.

Tiberius

That's a surprise. I thought you were a smug, boring, left wing comedian manque, Rod, although I would never have mistaken you for some air-headed bint from daytime tv.

Lupus

Calm down Wilhelm- George Galloway is someone that 99% of the population really DO ignore.

Fergus Pickering

Don't get your pink knickers in a twist, Paul Evans. I'm sure the nasty man will not come to power. Really! Don't worry your pretty little head about it.

workie pastyman ticket

You say he's not terribly bright but I hear he went to university which puts him pretty high above thick plebs like meself. Take it from me, us poorly educated detritus have all been down Argos and bought ourselves new pitchforks in readiness for the call to arms from Mr Griffin on QT (essential viewing dont you know for the disposessed and never hads of BritCo). You liberal metropolitan types are right to be terrified - the next morning I foresee murder and mayhem throughout this once green and pleasant land because we are easy meat for and easily lead by such ranting demagogues/honey fork-tongued orators like Griffin . Why will this happen? I think it will be the sight of someone excoriated by the dead consensus that rules us - the "Move along!, move along!...nothing to see here" approach to major issues like the EU and immigration, actually presenting a choice. Choice? dangerous stuff and a heady cocktail for the serving classes and untermenschen that walk the dark land outwith the M25.

Mind you we might just have a lie-in instead.

Carl

If Sami Chakrabarti appeared on TV more often, we would swiftly sink into such a state of lethargy that all the world's problems would end, we just wouldn't care anymore.

Bill and Ted de nos jours, only a lot more boring.

Balls2LabLibCons

"But also not terribly bright. I don't mean Bob Ainsworth level thick, but he's certainly no Mandelson or Clarke."

Would that be not as clever as you or cleverer than you?

David Ossitt

"As for me, I’m just glad that there will be insufficient room on next week’s panel for one of those smug, boring, left wing comedians or some air-headed bint from daytime tv"

Rod Liddle; I love you, some of the air-heads that they put on are pathetic.

Linda Smith

Just checked on Wiki, Griffin's a Cambridge graduate. Can't be all that stupid.

Noa Zrk

Never mind who appears, its the immigration and integration debate and it social, cultural and economic consequences that's actually important. The bru haha over Nick Griffins appearance will actually detract from this debate. Better that a respected and objective authority like Sir Andrew Green was appearing rather than the collection of sanctimonious right on liberals that are being lined up for our dialectic programming by the parties. Even worse, this apology for a debate is going to provide the BBC with the excuse for further investigation of this key issue. They will be able to say, smugly, "Well proles, we had the great Satan on, he's spoken and been defeated, there's nothing more to say on the matter". Thus will be dismissed the last chance for any meaningful consideration on national TV of this supra-important issue for the future of the UK.

JohnBUK

Linda, I don't necessarily think all Cambridge graduates are intelligent or for that matter all intelligent people have the ability to obtain a degree.

Guessedworker

Rob,

I'm afraid you are over-rating "the manifest illogicality of his party’s policy on race". What illogicality? The one that insists that native Britons (and, most particularly, the English) are heading for minoritisation in the next few decades and a profound racial marginalisation thereafter, and something must be done to prevent it?

Are you, then, in favour of doing nothing? Is that the "logical" approach?

Alright, you might be one of these "not terribly bright" chaps cannot grasp the urgency of the situation. It isn't easy to strip away the layers of confusion and deceit that that have cloaked discussion of English ethnic rights and interests, nor to shrug-off the vile demonisation of anyone who professes those interests as a self-evident racist, fascist and hater.

But that's all the excuse you have for not grasping the absolute requirement to work for English survival, as the BNP is working.

And that's the point. If not the BNP, then who? I would love the Conservative Party to throw off its subservience to finance corporatism and neo-Marxism. But it isn't going to, is it?

Right now, the survival of the English, like the survival of the ethnic French, Dutch, Danes and Swedes rests wholly on the political progress nationalist parties can make.

Do nothing to add to the already formidable obstacles they face. This is our people we are talking about here, not irrelevancies like economics and personal freedom.

rod seacole liddle

Thank you Mr BUK; that's the point I think. I didn't mean to be slighting about Griffin, or mean-minded; I just don't think he's quite as bright as everybody seems to wish to believe. And I'm not sure why they feel the need to believe that he is.

I was dropped from Question Time today in favour of Norman Baker. Just imagine trying to live with yourself, knowing that, by the way.

Marbury

I agree - and the biggest danger of the panic is that NG has been built up to be a paragon of evil and/or a Lurch-like retard. I haven't seen him talk but I should think he's probably no stupider than your average front-bencher, and will be sly enough to present himself as a 'reasonable' guy when the opportunity presents itself. So after this build-up, he may well exceed people's expectations. (Ps just because Warsi is Asian doesn't make her a representative of that "community", any more than Griffin is representative of the "white community".)

Tony

Personally I think it's a class thing. Nick Griffin seems to represent the lower classes in the eyes of the Groanianista set in Hampstead, Highgate and Islington. Right on commentators characterise him as a right wing bigot racist looney thug blah blah blah but feel a sense of Radio 4ish warmth when extreme left wingers and climate change activists let rip with the usual crap they spout. Personally I find right wingers far better company than their left wing counterparts. At least you can share a good evening at the bar with them swapping Irish jokes and getting steadily drunker and happier. Rather that than some sanctimonious hairshirt lefty with a chip on his shoulder knowing that He has failed in life.

Wilhelm

I think you'll agree with me Rod that they should have axed Question Time decades ago.

The only good person on it was Enoch and he sadly passed away 10 years, may he rest in peace.

Jim Al Saud

I'm not sure that you are right, it could be that when you changed your name to Rod Seacole Liddle you damaged your superior white genes.
MI5 seems to be busy working with Islam4UK, apparently they are going to demonstrate in London on October 31st, demanding sharia law for Britain and the replacement of Nelson's Column with a minaret. According to the Daily Express anyway!
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-full-Sharia-law

It looks like the 'fun' is about to start. I suggest you check out the BNP website more often, they have got so many easy targets, it could turn out that Question Time will be like shooting fish in a barrel, or muslims in Trafalgar Square, as the case may be.
Once the middle class is wiped out by this financial crisis, Britain could change very quickly, once the masses of unemployed can no longer afford junk food, obesity will decrease and at last the British underclass will have lost enough weight such that they can rise from their sofas. Then anything could happen.
I'm staying in my beach hut in Thailand, coward that I am.

Noa Zrk

"I was dropped from Question Time today in favour of Norman Baker. Just imagine trying to live with yourself, knowing that, by the way".
Well I can't remember exactly who Norman Baker was, or is, but I suppose he'll be able to gloat in comfort on his pension in his triumph of the battle of the egos. (Wherever 'e goes I don't...sorry. but I can't resist the temptation of a bad pun). You have the moral high ground though Rod, and I look forward to your appearance next year on Strictly Come Dancing, sans Norm and appropriately paired for the Tango in sequined lycra with some lissom lass whose jealous partner will no doubt call you a racially derogatory name for your outer tan, if not your truly inner 'seacolian' blackness.

Cmelak

The spectacle will be a success for the BNP if everyone on the panel except NG talks a lot, and the audience interrupts.

Lupus Lungfish:

‘No doubt they will fade into insignificance at the general election’.

Who will fade? The occupants of the Westminster Ivory Towers or the BNP? A risky call either way if the economy revives noticeably, and the expenses saga keeps going till then.

Dixon

The REALLY BIG step on the Griffin road is not this TV appearance but getting that wonkey eye of his sorted out a while back. Hook hands, wonkey eyes, that sort of thing tends to influence people more than anything that can ever be said.

Moxon

Bright, not so bright, not bright - I bet he's bright enough to do OK on the panel, and I hope that he does do OK. Then we may hear a little less of the line 'The BNP is unthinkable and so we don't need to think about it'. - That's not very bright now, is it?

toby forward

Linda, if I had a fiver for every thick Cambridge graduate I've ever come across I could retire and live next door to Sir Fred Goodwin.

Roy

Hope Nick Griffin does well on the show to enlighten the ones who profess to have all the answers. As for not being a terribly bright chap; this is a typical slander on anybody not speaking with their snotty nose in the air and big plum in their mouth. A fine old mess this type have made of the country. These fine principled gentlemen would have betrayed everything to Stalin if it had been left to them. Now the new generation have learnt nothing and are seeing to it we will all live as the Chinese do in Hong Kong but a good deal worse. Good on Nick Griffin, go for it.

Lupus Lungfish

You're right Cmelak, I didn't word it very clearly, I meant the BNP but I suppose it could apply to Westminster Ivory Towers as well- unless of course they clearout the criminal element. Bob Ainsworth for starters, he may not be the brightest tack in the box but he certainly knows how to play the property game at other peoples expense.

skitmoredavid@yahoo.co.uk

So Mr Griffin is to appear on question time big deal.. thousands watch and listen to Mr Griffin on the BNP website each and every week it's the most popular and visited political website in Britain and who is to blame for that.

Tom F

After the initial debate about racism in the BNP the panel will face questions on mass immigration,war in Afghanistan and EU control of British law.
Grifin will presumably lose the first round but looks like a better bet later on.
The Tories have made sure that no senior shadow cabinet figure is there to try to justify their position on these issues. Labour have Jack to face the firing - presumably he will be deft enough to avoid giving clear answers to any awkward question as usual,but Griffin will state his policies out loud.
And they are popular policies - many non BNP supporters voice the same views.
The BNP have of course been given a lift by the recent court ruling forcing them to admit non white members.The old noisy NF element in the party can now be sidelined.(Have a look at the triumphant member comments on their website).Griffin set out to change the image of the party to make it electable and this ruling is a godsend to the reformers.
Could be interesting next week.

hiro

"Actually when you think about Nick Griffin he is very brave and courageous like Geert Wilders, he has a different point of view on multiculturalism unlike the sheep of liebour, tory liberal and the demented pavlov's dogs of the media who are always squeeeling from the rooftops how bleeeeding wonderous it is."

Yeah, but he thinks white people are intrinsically superior to black people.

Maggie

The people who are anti-Griffin are so extreme that its becomes very easy to sympathise with the object of their bullying. Their belief that theirs is the only "correct" point of view and their insistence that all alternative points of view must be suppressed is really quite sinister. As are their demands that all people expressing opinions other than their own should be banished from public life. Is it a syndrome or a phobia?

patricia

Ali G springs to mind...

He's a |Mittel Europeam Jewish muslim pseudo rasta from Hampstead in Jamaica who I'm sure would give Nick a good time.

rod seacole liddle

Roy - I'm a bit lost re the Stalin, Hong Kong stuff.......

Scott

Noa Zrk's comment is spot on. The BNP aren't gaining support because people are racist; they're gaining it because we're buckling under the strain of mass immigration. All the polling data shows this and 9/10 want it reduced or stopped. It's therefore fatuous to say "let him speak and defeat his arguments" because on this issue the BNP have won the argument. It's the other parties who be under scrutiny. They should be forced to answer the question "By how much should our population rise each year because of immigration?" Labour appear to believe that 200,000+ is fine. The number of people who agree with this is 9%.

hiro

"they're gaining it because we're buckling under the strain of mass immigration."

back that up.

hiro

"The people who are anti-Griffin are so extreme that its becomes very easy to sympathise with the object of their bullying. Their belief that theirs is the only "correct" point of view and their insistence that all alternative points of view must be suppressed is really quite sinister."

Of course they believe their view is correct - what would be the point in having it otherwise? Just like you stating your opinion - I presume you believe in some sort of correctness in what you typed?

People are against the BNP because they are fed up with their cruel beliefs, attitudes, and policies(verbally, mainly) toward vulnerable groups in our society. You don't have to be a tree hugger to believe that.

Wilhelm

Hiro rants ''but he thinks white people are intrinsically superior to black people.''

Well Hiro, Im very glad you asked me that question, American Scientist , Nobel prize winner for his part in the discovery of DNA in the 1960s James Watson said that the Japanese and Chinese have the highest IQs, Caucasions in the middle and the Africans at the bottom.

That is unalterable Fact.

So there !

Maggie

Unlike many of their critics I don't believe the BNP go in for suicide bombs or phospherus bombs or theft of land and property or suppression of freedom of speech or racial purity or daisy cutter bombs or imprisonment without trial.

Maggie

hiro,
I'm not suggesting that anyone who disagrees with me should be banned from public life and villified at every opportunity. And I'm not suggesting I must have my opinions sanctioned by the Law and opposing opinions should be criminalised.

allan pond

as usual excellent common sense from mr liddle

Trafalgar

Forget the panelists. It's the audience that'll need to be controlled. Mere mention of NG's appearance last week brought about pantomime boos and hisses on QT.

Far better to let the man speak so that we can all discover what his views are - for better or worse - and make our own minds up.

Hepworth

Maggie.
hiro,
I'm not suggesting that anyone who disagrees with me should be banned from public life and villified at every opportunity. And I'm not suggesting I must have my opinions sanctioned by the Law and opposing opinions should be criminalised.

Possibly the most profound comment on this thread.

toby hans eysenck forward

Wilhelm, did he measure thier heads with calipers as well? You dunce. IQ tests show people who are good at taking IQ tests, or who have been coached well.

Aequitas

Correct Trafalgar- although the BNP seem to be flavour of the month with the BBC. Simon Mayo last week and this afternoon it was Simon Darby on Radio2's Vine show. Needless to say he came over as a bit of an aggressive sort of bloke with all the debating skills of an amoeba. If you take a look at their website you'll see that all this publicity is exactly what they want, they even have a countdown clock for next weeks Question Time. Of course they have a right to some air time and to hold whatever their opinions maybe but this constant hyping up and exaggeration of their significance is bit daft.

rod seacole liddle

Wilhelm - what one man chooses to believe (outside his discipline)is hardly a - as you put it - FACT. The whole business is far more nuanced than you seem to believe.

Wilhelm

Rod

Do yourself a favour and ask yourself this very profound question, have you ever, ever heard of the Zimbabwean Space programme ?

Or have you ever seen a Nigerian in a sputnik whizzing round the Earth at 50.000 miles ?

Nope, It was Werner Von Braun and German American scientists what done it.

But I think Sammy Davis Jr is a great singer and dancer.

Wilhelm

Let me put it this way, there is not going to be a BNP government. Because the first past the post system is rigged against the smaller parties, look at the Liberals, they've been trying for 70 years, they've got bugger all to show for it.

So why is the Islington cocktail party set and the metrosexual mafia that runs the BBC, you know the types , Tarquin and Tabatha who've just done a 4 year media course and gone up the river Amazon in a canoe in their gap year.

Why are they getting their knickers in a twist ? and sooo frightened of a different point of view.

The fault of the BNPs rise falls squarely on labour, liberal and tories because they have an open policy on immigration, 300.000 a year comming in, the social services are creaking, hospitals, schools, housing, transport. So the only party that fills that void is the BNP.

EyeSee

Mind you, after 12 years it is difficult to contemplate how people were conned into voting for New Labour, so some fretting might be in order.

Fergus Pickering

Toby, I too have heard that one about IQ tests, and, to an extent, it is true of ALL tests of any sort. Is it your position that nobody should be tested on anything? That would certainly save on the education bills. And if what you say is true why do the chinese on average do better than black people on average. What is it that the chinese are better at? I don't know the answer to this. I'm just asking. An anecdore: many years ago I was able to see the IQ scores of my class at school. I knew the school secretary and she showed me, which she certainly should not have done. The two guys with the highest IQs at twelve swept the board at the school prizegiving at eighteen and both gained first class degrees, one at Edinburgh and one at Oxford. So the damn thing did have SOME sort of predictive value over ten years.

EyeSee

Mind you, after 12 years it is difficult to contemplate how people were conned into voting for New Labour, so some fretting might be in order.

Kittler

Fergus
But did the high IQ boys ever make serious money or did they become academics or the like.
And did the dopey guy who became a motor engineer maybe make a fortune selling second hand cars.

colin

yeah lets get the fookin heated debates started..lets make politics intresting again..makeing prople think is all I care about. thier is a little to much complacencry out thier debates have been to safe lets have a heated one with a little bit of anger and thinking. we need to get stuff out in the open. my grammer and spelling is apauling I know but so what its what I feeel that counts. churchill was a dyslexic..yeah that boy could speak from the heart

Roy

Rod, re Stalin; MI5 secrets pilfered to the Russians. Hong Kong; confined living space there-in . . . .

GC

Well I think this is right but I do disagree he is merely a bit 'thick': his rhetoric is definitely filled with hate - consider when he called the BBC (or some other such easy target)after one of his trials a bunch of cockroaches ...

BTW I'm fascinated the way stupid has become the new insult of choice - a species of tropism in a society where frankly everyone's got themselves dumbed down c/o mostly the internet I fancy - I myself have just gone back on line these past two weeks after six months away and I swear I haven't opened a book or a journal the entire fortnight despite swearing a solemn oath to myself this time round I would keep on reading ...

toby john stuart mill forward

Fergus, I'm assuming that you were not one of the two with the highest IQ in your year, who became high academic achievers, but the internal evidence from your posts shows that anyway.

David Ossitt

toby john stuart mill forward

"Fergus, I'm assuming that you were not one of the two with the highest IQ in your year"

Toby; only an idiot would make assumptions without more evidence.

David Ossitt

toby forward

"Linda, if I had a fiver for every thick Cambridge graduate I've ever come across I could retire and live next door to Sir Fred Goodwin"

Could this be a bit of an exaggeration?

Pete

"consider when he called the BBC (or some other such easy target)after one of his trials a bunch of cockroaches ..."

He's right about something, then!

Seriously, though, it will be interesting to hear him promote BNP policies. Perhaps people will stop referring to the BNP as 'right wing' when they hear his Socialist clap trap with their own ears...

toby gradgrind forward

David Ossitt.
a). There's no lack of evidence in his posts. And don't interrupt when the grow-ups are talking, please.
b). No.

phil

rod seacole liddle interesting opinions here but I am surprised that you are engaging with Wilhelm who is certainly less bright than normal -check him out on Melanies thread "the tory response" I can see him now in lederhosen and braces reading der spiegel. Thursday will be a bun fight with the idiots shouting louder than the educated ,but I suppose I will watch :)but only after I have read the Dandy .

phil

toby john stuart mill forward are you the supercilious youth from oxbridge whose future is already in the past -you will find him in victor mollos bridge books always laughing at others and then in fact being found to be the stupid one -Fergus talks sense and you have nothing to say other than inane put downs ,grow up this thread is for adults .

toby anthony storr forward

phil, no, I'n not any of those things. Are you Fergus' catamite?

Maggie

I've just heard someone on the Radio 5 phone-in say that the BNP should be banned because they don't believe in freedom of speech.

phil

toby anthony storr forward
October 19th, 2009 7:26am
""
"phil, no, I'n not any of those things. Are you Fergus' catamite?""

sorry to disappoint you ,but no:) - I think you must be the expert in these matters ,possibly all you are expert in -so find your own lads ,I,m sure you will know how .Maybe another spotty youth from oxbridge will,be more to your taste

-Sorry toby whatever is your name ,I cant stop laughing ,you would make a wonderful stooge for me if ever we could get a music hall act together .

toby jude fawley forward

phil, I'm afraid you're way off track. I'm neither young, nor Oxbridge-educated, nor a homosexual. My past has many failures and few successes. My future, sadly to be shorter than my past, will, I expect have more of both the same. My name (apart from the internal changes for effect) is as you see it. If you want to know more, just google the name and go to my website. Now, perhaps you'll learn some manners, some wisdom and some punctuation, and then we'll see how we get on.

phil

toby jug backward--no idea what you are called - you quote -----"Now, perhaps you'll learn some manners, some wisdom and some punctuation, and then we'll see how we get on.""

-My suggestion was to have you as a stooge not a script writer but if it was a joke ,the joke I think is on you .

Nevertheless in case I have misjudged you I did try to find your web site-abject failure ensued ! -how about providing one so that Fergus and myself can have a look at you prior to your self announced extinction ,one that I do not wish upon you -

Maybe you come here to have a joke but sarcasm is never funny .Your punctuation maybe is above reproach but it will win you no friends ,just try being nice and manners and wisdom will surely follow .Oh and try to read Victor mollo,s bridge books ,your oxbridge lad is one of the stars ,not as famous as the hideous hog and the rueful rabbit but I think you will get my gist ., they would not approve of the bnp .

.

phil

toby forward -if you are the real one -I WOULD SAY THAT PERHAPS YOU ARE NOT AS DAFT AS YOU APPEAR HERE ,but writing in riddles does not help:)

toby forward

Phil, sorry, but you've blown your chance of a reply. I won't be bothering either to read your future posts or to reply to them.

phil

toby forward now at least that I have found out who you are I can say that I never got a reply anyhow -merely inane insults ,but if you are who you say you are I am surprised at what you have done here .

Alexandrovich

Oh no! He's slithered over here from Melanie's blog seeking attention.

phil

Alexandrovich I never agree with your vile comments but this time you are right and I see that it has caused you to slither out from under your stone ..I will continue to expose you and the people you support wherever I can find you .Go back now before the cold hinders your movements .

Lungfish

In the few weeks I'v been following this stuff your comment at 4.49pm really does take the biscuit (whether thats a chocolate hobnob or custard cream doesn't really matter). I doubt you'll ever read this but I suggest you read The Great Gatsby.