British jobs for foreign workers

Jeremy

Buggered both ways - dear oh lor!

Robert Mitchum

Clear, simple, straight to the point, and true.

Robert Taggart

Roddy - here, here, here.
But, what about us Blighty born and bred, of working age, who have no wish to work and are quite comfortable on benefits... where do we 'fit in' ?!

Pot Head

Why does Rod Liddle think that it's only white working class are in comp for jobs? They only have to deal with east Europeans. In my 'micro" business i have to compete with the world.

Hexhamgeezer

I wish your editor would practice what he preaches, and the Beeb and DT, Mirror, Guardian etc etc etc.

Those organisations could be run far cheaper by eloquent Poles, Slovenes and suchlike.

That way, when I watch the telly I could really see the benefits of open borders and uncontrolled immigration. Why cant we have Mirpuris, here by the shedload reading the news? I'd happily watch subtitles being a Brit who can read and would love editorial boards comprised of Somalis, Albanians, and Bulgarians (with the odd illegal Nigerian for balance). It would give the balance and enrichment I experienced over the years in good old Laahndahhn.

As it is, this insular media club is giving a wholly false impression of the nation and people like Mr Nelson are depriving the readers of the incalculable enrichment the world has given us in the last few years.

Free movement of labour? Not in Doughty Street.

Patrick O'Hara

Come on Rod, this is too easy. Tell us how these figures break up. Are they menial jobs or are the professional jobs? Perhaps there are doctors or physicists among the tally. Or are they all winkle pickers? This is just a figure floating in the wind. Lazy, lazy lazy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

arnoldo87

This is indeed a straightforward, even simplistic, argument which does suggest that the British working class is buggered.

It has nothing to do with anti-racism however. It is quite possible, even likely, that the immigrant workers were of white Eastern European Christian stock, while the British workers supplanted could easily have been non-white and/or Muslim.

Best not to confuse xenophobia with racism, Rod.

David Smart

Labour and Lib Dem's bending over backwards so as not to appear raaaacccciiissssttt,come on,don't you mean contortionists writhing in ecstacy as they fulminate on their right on attitudes to anything that illuminates their "correct" stance on immigration and or migrant workers.After all better to be seen as accommodating to the European Dream of free market and movement of labour than support our own workforce.
We are talking of workforce,not benefitforce though aren' we?

more tea vicar

so as an employer, given the choice between some keen, intelligent, articulate euro-graduate or that fat woman from Plymouth who can't get out of bed without state assistance...

we,ve had over-generous welfare payments for too long.

Jerry Owen

I wasn't aware you were allowed to be racist in Britain.
Golly gosh.

Andrew Saint

The most illogical aspect of the debate about mass immigration (especially from Third World countries) is the support it receives from the trade unions. Whether you are capitalist or communist, it must be clear that as sure as night follows day, expanding the labour market inevitably lead to competition for jobs which will drive down wages (especially at the non- and semi-skilled ends of the market). Yet the "Brothers" seem quite happy for this to continue. But then, better to risk the jobs and conditions of your own members than be thought of as racist or anti-diversity.

Eddie

Absolutely 100% agree, Rod. The lefty ethnophilia suffererss and the exploitative capitalist pigs are rolling around in their stinking soiled bed on this - both want more immigration; neither cares if it means poorer British people are worse off, or house prices insanely expensive, or schools full of ESOL kids, or public services under strain. So long as they profit from immigration and can feel slef-righteous with it. Selfishness and greed that, pure and simple. Self-interest and 'I'm alright Jack' masquerading as liberal values and tolerance.

Not just the 'working class' though Rod (whatever that means). But anyone without a private income or great property wealth: those who work, maybe.

As the son of an immigrant, I have been very much against the continued mass immigration to this country for 20 years (20 years when 200,000+ Africans have come here with 1 million Poles). The accusation, voiced or silent, that one is racist, intolerant and bigoted for having this view is disgraceful: I am actually trying to defend this country, its values and its future from disaster - my reasoning is entirely pragmatic.

No net benefit from immigration though - and if the figures were worked out more longsightedly (to include social problems, lowering quality of life, prison populations, social fragmentatio, riots) we'd see that we make a big long term loss from mass immigration.

Eddie

Of course, the fact our rispek-demanding yoof tend to have no real work ethnic, a silly unrealistic sense of entitlement, a lack of basic skills, such as reading/writing, numeracy, general knowledge etc, that more traditional education systems seem able to instil in their young, is perhaps a big reason employers would rather employ immigrants.

Eddie

Many immigrants are more polite, keen, hard-working, reliable than Brit kids who have actually all been severely abused by being made to think constantly, by parents and schools alike, that keeping their precious self-esteeem intact by showing them respect constantly and praising them for whatever they do, however bad, is the main purpose of the adult world around them. We have a nation of spoilt toddlers who look like adults as a consequence.

Wilhelm

Euripides wrote

'' There is no greater sorrow on Earth than the loss of one's own native land.''

You don't need to add anything, that says it all.

Jez

Andrew Saint.

The Unions want to bring the whole thing 'down'.

That is what Socialists do.

Eddie

One thing I have never ever understood is why the UK does not just have guest workers from outside - as Saudi Arabia does, for example. So, immigrants come to work when we need them - then we can send them packing when we don't. (I know the EU puts paid to this anyway).

Why oh why could this not have been done instead of allowing millions to come here and hand out passports like our national bogroll to anyone who washes up?

Also, net immigration figures are silly: 1 million and 1 Nigerians come here; 1 million white Brits leave to go to Australia, NZ, Spain etc. Net immigration: 1 person. Surreal in its absurdity and perhaps deliberate obfuscation ot true immigration figures.

north london geezer

A lot of these foreign workers with British passports , visa's ect will be deported soon. Its only a matter of time.

Austin Barry

"..the British working class are buggered."

Surely, you can delete "working class". We've all been buggered like ghastly little public school oiks by our contemptuous ruling elites.

Wilhelm

As someone else wrote , I can't remember who, regarding the term '' net immigration. ''

If you have 6 apples in your shopping basket, take them out and replace them with 6 oranges. You will still have 6 items in your shopping basket, but it's not the same, is it ?

Tiberius

Reverend, that maritime loafer never offered me more tea. Must have been a bad week at the bingo.

Kittler

In a global economy, business requires freedom, the removal of restrictions, no controls on the access to essential supplies of labour.
Axe the UK Border Agency, sack their thousands in a blow against socialism, liberate commerce to make money and free the market.
Unless you are a leftie.

fergus pickering

yeah. Keep Johnny Foreigner OUT. Am I allowed to say that?

DougS

RL:

"...Labour and the Liberal Democrats like foreign labour because liking foreigners means they’re not raaaaaaaaaaccccccisssssst, which is the worst thing one can be....."

How true, but they like those immigrants who come to live on benefits even better - because they become Labour voters.

Ron Todd

Eddie

Where Im work it is the British born workers I can depend on to get in on time. It is the British born workers that I can depend on to do their job without wandering off to chat with their mates leaving somebody else to cover.

libertarian

Typical left wing fallacy I'm afraid Rod.

Employers ( WTF has it got to do with Conservatives?) DO NOT like cheap foreign labour. The problem is that while we pay £15-£30k tax free to UK unemployed , British people don't bother to apply for jobs.

Walker

I went to a Devon pub which only employs locals.I was served by an eastern european.How on earth did you get this job here I said .Well she said we are prepared to clean the 'toilet'.Two thirds of immigration into this country over the last 10 years had been NON EU.eg
Soma lies most of whom are on welfare.On the whole eastern eauropean immigration has benefited the uk.In the university gym the other day three English students were speaking in semiliterate rap English .Go figure as Taki would say.

Eddie

Kittler - so, according to your philosophy (which is 19th centurt radical Liberal really), if one does not want to remove all passport controls and all restrictions on movement of labour, then one is a leftie. Yeah right, as the unemployed Britkids would say. That makes this country 99.9% leftie then, non? No passports? Allow 20 million third world immigrants in if they want to come here? Main non.

BTW the USA has massive restrictions (on imports, business of all kinds) and subsidies (every train journey gets $29 from the US govt and they spend more on healthcare then we do, even before Obama). USA a free market? My sweet Fanny Adams!

As the dumb American emo-kids say: do the math, dude.

Roy

Buggered if they continue to take it without question.

Sylva Pickeh

This total bullshit. There is nothing like low paid job for foreigners.

I believe the Brits who are not able to work in those role occupy by foriegn workers are either not qualify thereby incompetence or are too lazy to do their job efficiently.

In a develope economy efficiency of labour is what matters not some Nanny bullshit coffee and cigarette smoking Brits type of Job.
check out NHS which is the most priced public sector department from top consultants to cleaners are mostly foreigners. Where are the Brits? All lazy bureacrats who can not do their job effectively and still need this foreigners.

Men cut this crap and identify the real reason. We are tired of this blame game.

Lungfish

The facts are that foreign workers are harder working. A general malaise brought on by years of welfarism, victimhood culture and bleeding heart socialist bullshit has completely undermined what used to be the 'working class'. Having said that I'm in the construction industry and have yet to see all these Polish plumbers and electricians that journalists keep telling us about. I know for a fact their lack of English would mean most of them would really struggle to pass the 2391 electrical certificate or Gas safe exam. These qualifications are far far harder than the wanky Media Studies or Land Management degrees from Portsmouth poly that most journo's, estate agents and bankers possess.

In2minds

Yes it's true that Labour loves foreigners because it's good for their street-cred. However, and oddly, so does the typical trade union official. See if you can find one and then strike up (if that's the right way of putting it) a conversation with them on this subject. They all think the sun shines out of the EU's bottom. And they can all parrot the line about 'free movement of goods and services'. It's as if they are reading from a script and they KNOW the end result of this a benefit to their members. Useful idiots?

E Hart

The real problem is that governments and businesses do not see the wider implications of their actions. An impoverished labour force (whatever their nationality) does nothing for the economy. People on unemployment benefit, the minimum wage, in part-time employment or on low wages do not make for an very productive or vibrant economy. This shouldn't surprise anyone. The same level of political and corporate blindness pervades the industrial sector, where this country is only too happy to award contracts to overseas suppliers without factoring in the costs to the economy of losing jobs in industries, which, once lost, would be prohibitively expensive to replace. Bombardier is one of many cases in which we have taken careful aim at our on foot.

If we don't come up with a few alternatives to the PLC casino-carousel model - which favours exporting everything on the basis of cost - they'll be nothing left in Britain bar retailers and call centres.

It isn't just the working class who are buggered.

eyesee

It's not 'either way' though is it? If Britain governs itself then that government is wrecked when outside interference is allowed. Either the UK hands over fully and completely to the EU and have an end to democracy right away, or we govern ourselves. One way offers success; Greece can help you if you are not sure. Foreigners come here, make use of Britain and send their money home. We get stuffed every way, so some control would seem fair. If New Labour hadn't introduced this 'no borders' policy and set about undermining Britain as a country, social mobility wouldn't have stagnated. But then, the left don't like people who 'desert their class'. Labour's core voter is not the working class any more, it is the benefit recipient.

ann c

Walker - just read again your posting which begins "I went to a Devon pub..." which is hard to read because it is so illiterate. Not sure what point you are trying to make.....

ann c

Ah, Sylva.

We have hospital doctors who speak one language (but not English as their first language) trying to communicate with nurses from another continent who also have another first language. Neither doctor nor nurse can communicate with their patients - this is good?

Ron Todd

I think we are paying £23000000 a year for translators for patients who do not speak English. Some of them will have been here for years or even generations, some will not be entitled to the free treatment we give them. Would we not be better spending the money on translation for patients who speak English but have doctors who don't.

daniel maris

One for the African-obsessed Wilhelm:

*ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102895/East-Europeans-create-crimewave-capital-revealed-responsible-11-000-offences-year.html

Migration concerns are not a matter of race.

You can add the criminal justice system as being another institution put under incredible strain by migration.

Walker

Ann,you're right the blog is rather garbled.The point made by the eastern European waitress/ cleaner at the pub was that she was prepare to do menial tasks properly.The other serious point about Eastern Europeans is that just about the only good thing about
Communist eastern Europe was it's educational system
the traditionality of which has persisted.Thus eastern Europeans are at a higher level than their English equivalents and will therefore always be more employable.I'm sure you understand the point about non eu immigration.

Slim Jim

Immigration. Welfare. Employment. Education. Manufacturing. Our political class needs to start making the links between the aforementioned areas of policy. A coherent and intelligent strategy could even begin to make headway in the currently piss-poor attempts to kick-start economic growth. However, they have tied themselves up in knots with silly laws and membership of the EU, and they just will not admit that they have got things horribly wrong. What should be really worrying is that the problems created by your party Rod, are being maintained by so-called Conservatives and Liberals. We are ALL doomed.

nolan walker

Rod, please blog about the person: Cait Reilly. Is she for real? Claiming benfits to fund her free work experiance in a museum and SHE is suing the government. Please interview her. This is really beyond the pale.

ann c

E Hart

Contracts have to be advertised throughout Europe - that's part of EU law - and the cheapest always wins. My husband used to complain about the stupidity and expense of this, (someone to clean the building, for example) causing delays and often resulting in no response from EU countries at all. We live in a a mad world!

Richard of Moscow

Well said, Rod! Although: "Our unemployment rate is now 8.4 per cent,"
Nah, it is at least double that, when you factor in all those on the sick with non-existant diseases.

Eddie

I had a conversation over the weekend with a Nigerian who has been in this country for 8 years. I was actually rather shocked when I heard his opinions: that the British in the past were all racists pigs whon went out paki-bashing. Inaccurate, insulting, offensive and untrue.

I reminded him that most British people were not violent against immigrants, however much they resented their presence - but this guy had been brainwashed so much by the BBC and the education system that he actually thought that the British in the past were no better than nazis or aparteid south africans. I reminded him of just how tolerant and fair the British were and are, but he would not believe me; he also thought Britian was now 50% ethnic as this is what he sees on TV. I reminded him that yes, London is 40% non-white and the schools are 60% non-white, which is why white kids are more likely to suffer racist bullying than black kids now in London.

Do the people who promote this lie of multiculturalism realise what problems they are storing up for the future? The multiculti brainwashing of the population is anti-British and anti-white and very dangerous indeed.

There may be riots ahead...

Thirladean

But one reason for the fall in the number of British-born workers in paid employment is that more of them reach the age at which they retire.