Saturday 4 July 2009

 

The latest culture as recommended by our staff

Liz Anderson

Liz Suggests


Jobs at Telegraph

More on the Brussels Journal

Monday, 12th May 2008

I've mentioned the Brussels Journal before (here and here) a site which plays straight into the Islamists' hands by genuinely hating Muslims. It doesn't just warn about radical Islam; it campaigns against Muslims per se.  And its modus operandi is to ally with fascist organisations in Europe.

Be very careful when you read articles on the Brussels Journal. Some of the writers seem plausible; some are indeed experts in other fields. But always remember the strategy they follow. Some of the allies they work with are no less repellent than the Islamists we need to defend ourselves against. A mild mea culpa is thus  in order. Somehow when I posted earlier I didn't explore some of the links flagged up on the site. I seek to correct that omission now. 

Take, for instance,
a look here: the left sidebar flags up the 'British Nationalist Forum' (I won't link to it but you can access it via the Brussels Journal). I think everyone should now have the measure of the Brussels Journal. 

BTW, after my earlier posts some blogs described me as a hypocrite, in that I had supposedly previously expressed support for the Vlaams Blok (predecessor of the Vlaams Belang). I am still being labelled as such in some forums. 

Such criticism was based on a piece I wrote a while ago and, when first made, it was clearly a deliberate lie, as its authors are all perfectly capable of understanding English. First, I wrote this in the piece:
I hold no brief for the VB; and were I to have a vote in Flanders, I would not vote for it.
But even if I hadn't made that clear in the piece, it was, as you can read for yourself, about the dangers of banning views with which the state disagrees. It did not in any way express support for such views (after all, as a Jew, I am hardly likely to support a racist, neo-fascist party such as the VB). 
The Vlaams Blok was effectively banned by the Belgian state because, among other things, it advocated the break up of Belgium. It is one thing to campaign against a party, to criticise its members, to point out its flaws and to attack it and its members every opportunity. That is the basis of democratic politics. 

It is quite another to ban it.

Blogs: Clive Davis | Melanie Phillips | Americano | Coffee House | Trading Floor

Actions: Print this article  |  Email to a friend  |  Permalink  |   Comments (24)

Subscribe now

Post this entry to:   del.icio.us | Digg | Newsvine | NowPublic | Reddit

Comments

Post a comment


Your comment:*

Your name:*

Your email address:*
(We won't publish this)

*Required information

Please click the button only once - your comment will not be published immediately

marvin

May 12th, 2008 9:49am

Fair do's Stephen.

Oh I didn't know you was a Jew. Now I know that, this all sounds like a ploy to legitimise Zionism and the oppression of the Palestinians, or something.

Ola Dunk

May 12th, 2008 12:58pm

You don't get it, Stephen!

Everyday there are new horror stories. Yesterday - ten somali 10-13 year-olds grabbed, held and touched 8 women in a park in Oslo. This behaviour breeds hate.

If you want to stop the anger, which is spiralling out of control, you have to stop the immigration NOW!

By the way: I also support Flemish independence.

Stephen Carter

May 12th, 2008 1:09pm

Why is such a vast majority of British writers so craven, so appeasement-minded, so ready to fawn & grovel & cave entirely before political Islam? Why do so few Britons have the guts to fight for freedom? Why are so many Britons willing to defend the world's worst dictatorships? Why are so few Britons willing to defend democracy, capitalism, & the rule of law? Why is 99% of political discourse in Britain knee-jerk anti-Semitic, & equally knee-jerk pro-Islamic? Why is there an AQB (Al Qaeda in Britain)? Why do many Islamic terrorist groups have branch offices in London? Why are Britons such cowards?

RE

May 12th, 2008 1:31pm

I'm far more wary of those who attempt to have it both ways.

traveller

May 12th, 2008 2:08pm

@ Stephen Pollard

The VB(Vlaams Belang) has 25 % of the Flemish voters. Democratically speaking we are asking to respect our democratic vote.
Are we racists? NO. Do we condemn racism from any side or creed? YES. That's why we don't want to give in to Moroccon and Turkish racism or to the immigrant street mafias.
We don't want our busconductors to be killed anymore by "youngsters", invariably of immigrant origin. Do we have some crazy individuals in Flanders? Yes, and we send them to jail without hesitation, but we don't accept preferential treatment for immigrant murderers who are just let off with a slap on the wrist.
Dig a little bit deeper into the subjects about which you want to write sir, it will help the truth to come out.

Fabio P.Barbieri

May 12th, 2008 3:06pm

The penny dropped for me when, a few weeks back, they ran no less than three articles trying to legitimize Enoch Powell's "rivers of blood" speech as a prescient statement of current trends instead than a bald-faced racist assertion that war with "people of another sort" is inevitable. I posted about it in my blog. And I have to say that that percipient, courageous and funny man Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs had seen through them months ago.

Varjags

May 12th, 2008 6:03pm

Hello,I don't believe You :)
Bye!

Gilbert Vanhie

May 12th, 2008 6:23pm

This "genuinely hating Muslims" is a bit strong is it not? The BJ at least has enough sense to realize that muslims will take sides with their coreligionists. It's what their faith dictates. Who thinks even the moderates will support the west over their muslim brothers is dreaming. The alarm has gone off enough times, Stephen. Time to wake up.

David Lindsay

May 12th, 2008 6:29pm

Defend ourselves against Islamists in Turkey, Kosovo, Chechnya, that sort of place?

scabbard

May 13th, 2008 2:39am

I am a frequent reader of the Brussells Journal and am impressed by many of their writers. I support Flemish independence for the same reason why I support English independence - because I'm a DEMOCRAT who wishes to REGAIN CONTROL of MY OWN COUNTRY.

James

May 13th, 2008 6:55pm

Brussels Journal seeks for Europeans and Christians what Israel rightly seeks for its racial and religious majority: a secure and peaceful future. Muslims threaten both Europe's and Israel's future, but apparently it's illegitimate for Europeans to defend themselves.

Sergey

May 13th, 2008 8:22pm

Why national solidarity of any European nation is invariably labeled as racism or fascism? As an ardent supporter of Israel as a Jewish national state, I could not with a stright face deny any civilized nation of the analogous right. This applies to Flemmish nationalists as well. This is all what Brussels Journal is about. And, yes, Enoch was right. We see it every day, and this is undeniable fact.

willy

May 13th, 2008 8:33pm

I'm very impressed that you discovered that the left sidebar flags up the 'British Nationalist Forum'. Often another sidebar flags up the "Muslim Matrimonial Agency". Quite shocking indeed...

Fallaci Fan

May 13th, 2008 9:36pm

Really, Fabio - Charles Johnson 'courageous'???

Is that why getting banned from a blog for daring to disagree even mildly with the host is now popularly known in the blogosphere as 'getting Johnsoned?'

Frankly, outside the sickly echo-chamber that LGF has become, your sycophancy sounds more than a bit creepy.

Stephen Gash

May 13th, 2008 11:15pm

Why didn't you publish my comment Stephen?

Mike j. Liard

May 14th, 2008 7:08pm

Hi,

As an American, a libertarian, and avid reader of Brussels journal, I am a bit perplexed at the low grade controversy that this self titled 'British Nationalist forum' advertizement in the BJ's sidebar seems to have generated. There are two points I'd like to briefly address. 1) Is there something inherently objectionable to the idea of British Nationalism itself? And if so -why?
2) If this britnat site is somehow inappropriate by civilised standards; I think it would be unfair to unduly abuse the Brussels Journal on account of what appears to be a remotely generated micro-banner advert placed on Brussels Journal by blogads, which seems to be a Google Adsense/Adwords type of service. I wouldn't think the Brussels Journal web editor would necessarily have much to say about what ads might appear through this network; though I am sure there exists some procedure for rejecting particularly offensive advertisements.

Best regards,

M.L.

Robert

May 15th, 2008 3:25am

"Be very careful when you read articles on the Brussels Journal."

Stephen, who the hell appointed you guardian of the reading of others? Your qualifications, please.
We adults, Stephen, are fully capable of making our own judgements and choices without the advice or interference of media nannies. Do, I urge you, take off that hat. Not that it doesn't fit you, but it's such a totalitarian shade of brown.

Noddy

May 15th, 2008 7:49am

Stephen Carters comments raise a few questions.
Could we have some answers from you,Stephen Pollard,instead of the usual MSM tactic of ignore it and it will go away.

Fabio P.Barbieri

May 15th, 2008 11:31am

I have to say that it is scary how many respondents are treating the Fascist and racist attitudes of Vlaams Belang and the BJ as reasonable, defensible or valid. One would like to think that it is because the British have historically never experienced Fascism, but then, the Belgians did, and it does not seem to stop their northern half from wanting them back. I find the growing acceptability of Fascist and racist discourse infinitely troubling; Fascism has always been the enemy, and such things as islamo-fascism are odious in so far as they are like fascism. And the fools who accept Fascist propaganda about Charles Johnson also show that they are ready to hate and reject those who have been there since day one and who have really struck blows in the right cause. That one of these has the nerve to usurp the name of my fellow-countrywoman Oriana Fallaci - a woman who fought in the War of Liberation, whose lover was murdered by the Greek Fascist tyranny, who fought racism and Fascism all her life, and who hated Fascists from the cradle - is to me personally repulsive. Get your dirty claws off my heritage.

P Omachus

May 15th, 2008 6:39pm

Stephen,

I also pointed out to you before - but you didn't publish my comment - that if you conclude that TBJ is fascist because they have an ad for the British Nationalist Forum on their site, what conclusions do you draw from their ad for the Muslim matrimonial site on their website ? Are TBJ islamist too ?

Do your home work before using the fascist-word to describe TBJ

Gilbert Vanhie

May 15th, 2008 7:48pm

Apparently, Mr. Barbieri knows very little about Flanders, the VB or even TBJ. Or he doesn't know what fascism or racism is. Or, of course, both.

TBJ and VB are a bit more radical in their view of multiculturalism and certainly more direct their way of expressing it, that does not make them fascist or racist. To most who are worried about the growing influence of islam and the appeasement of the "enlightened circles" they are allies. It's not wise to attack an ally to get approval from people who will never be allies or are just the opposite.

Fabio P.Barbieri

May 16th, 2008 10:07am

Vanhie, as far as I am concerned the test was the BJ's unashamed promotion of Enoch Powell's racist speech - the speech whose basic postulate was that war with "people of another sort" was an inevitability, not because of cultural differences, but because of physical ones. That was what Powell said. That was why he was quite rightly bounced out of the Tory party. The BJ promoted it repeatedly. That is symptomatic of racism. It proves that Charles Johnson and Stephen are right about it. End of story. If you disagree, go, read the actual speech, and tell me where it has anything at all to say about cultural, let alone religious, differences, it has anything to say. That is a challenge I lay to all the sympathizers.

As for "allies", if a war comes, even a democrat is entitled to be allied with Stalin. But even so, one has to remember exactly what one is allied with. And until we are actually fighting for our lives, it is better not to encourage one wolf just because of another. Both sides are criminal. Keep away from both.

Gilbert Vanhie

May 16th, 2008 6:25pm

Fabio, Powell talks about immigrants who of course, bring their culture along and form enclaves. Nowhere does he say it's only a matter of physical appearance. And about the inevitability of conflict I can only say that recent events tend to give support to his claim.

Nice to know you're going to wait until fighting for your life before you would ask them help. Why let it come that far?

Fabio P.Barbieri

May 17th, 2008 11:51am

VAnhie: you made your choice and picked your side. I made mine long ago. Racists and Fascists are my enemies - not because I matter a damn, but because, insignificant though I am, I have to live with myself.

Spectator Book Club

Stephen Pollard's Blog Roll

Oliver Kamm
Politics, economics and culture from the master. Unmissable.

Daniel Finkelstein's Times Comment Central
A daily must-read. 

Tim Worstall 
Lots of interesting nibbles - and a ruthless swatter of economic gibberish.

Marginal Revolution
Tyler Cowen's riveting economic blog.

Harry's Place
Must-read left of centre blog from writers who understand the threat to the West. 

Thought Experiments
The peerless Bryan Appleyard's blog.

Opera Chic
An American in Milan, on opera.

Intermezzo
A London-based classical music enthusiast.

Jessica Duchen's classical music blog
Does what it says on the tin.

Samizdata
Libertarian blog, packed every day.

Norm's blog
The thoroughly sensible thoughts of renowned left-wing academic Norman Geras, Professor of Government at Manchester. And cricket, too.

Public Interest
Peter Briffa's inimitable take on The Yazzmonster and other assorted demons.

Reform
The public sector reform group; their website is an invaluable source of data and ideas.

Centre for the New Europe
The leading European public policy think tank.

Spectator recommends

Spectator classifieds

BIG SAND STEEL BAND

IF YOU ARE PLANNING A CHAMPAGNE RECEPTION and looking for some light entertainment, you can now hire London's busiest steel

BOSC LEBAT, Tarn et Garonne.

BOSC LEBAT, SW France. Only 45 minutes from Toulouse Airport with daily flights from most provincial airports avoiding the horrors

ROME CENTRE

PORTA METRONIA, ROME Standing high on the top of one of the seven hills of Rome- the Coelian- this unique