MPACUK and its lies about me
My post last week on MPACUK, which lied about its sponsorship from the Journalism Diversity Fund, has prompted a post by the extremist liars themselves. Many of the extremist Muslims are, whatever one might think of their views, clever. The great thing about MPACUK is that they are - as their claim to be sponsored by the JDF shows - really very stupid.
Here's some of their response:
First, it reveals that they can't read. I didn't call anyone. I didn't make the discovery. I didn't have anything to do with it. I linked to the work of a fine site.Stephen Pollard is a Zionist and Islamophobe, a commentator, loved by right-wing, anti-Muslim hate sites, and he watches MPACUK like a hawk. So much so that when we put an advert up on our site from the ‘journalism diversity fund’ he had to change his nappy, he got so excited!
His shocking discovery... that the words ‘our sponsors’ was above the advert in tiny words. We normally put paid adverts in this section but in this case because we realised the great work the journalism fund is doing was just what young Muslims needed – we put the advert up for free.
Of course Islamophobic racists don’t like Muslims being involved in the mainstream, so can you believe he actually called the people up to see if they sponsored what he called 'an extremist group?' Bit like the Klu Klux Klan claiming Black people are extremists, but in this day and age any old bigot can get away with saying any Muslim group is ‘extremist’, ‘radical’ or ‘jihadist’ or whatever words they want to make up to trick the public into being afraid and trusting them as protectors.
That’s not the bit MPACUK are concerned about; a Zionist is going to watch MPACUK, like the Klu Klux Klan watched Malcolm X.
The concern is how easily these Zionists and racists can use words like "extremist" about any group, and mainstream media and politicians accept it. In short the language of racism and stereotyping is now considered acceptable.
Of course the reason is simple. Most Muslim leaders would not know Islamophobic racism, unless it hit them in the face, and so couldn’t care less – it’s not written in Urdu or Gujarati is it?
No other leadership of any other community would allow racist stereotypes to be set like we have without mass demonstrations, lobbying of parliament, and action around the UK. Racist language leads to racist mind sets, racist mind sets leads to racist actions. It’s a simple equation. Mosque monkeys don’t like maths.
Our leaders will kick you out of the student Islamic society and Mosque for even asking for some action to take place. The net result is these bigots and racists attack the very groups that protect you, instill hatred in society and ‘best’ of all leave the Mosque Leaders and student leaders to hide under the table – which is how they like Muslim leaders, nice and cowardly. Muslim leaders listen better when they are on their knees.
But let's accept that that is an honest mistake and they didn't bother to look at the links I provided. More important is the still clearer evidence that they can't read. They claim to know a lot about me and my views;to have so much knowledge about me in fact that they are certain that I am a racist, Islamophobic, ZioNazi, gangster bigot (to use the labels they attach to me).
Given the rest of their site, it's no surprise that they clearly don't know the first thing they are talking about. But I'll be charitable. Yes, they might have lied about their sponsorship. But I'll assume that they are not deliberately lying about me and are simply too stupid to read pieces of mine in which I defend the right of Muslim women to wear the burka and the existence of Muslim faith schools. But heh, I attack Muslim extremists (just as I do Christian, Jewish or any other brand of extremist) so I must be an Islamophobe.
(Oh, by the way MPACUK - that's sarcasm. I'm not chaitable to you at all. I think you are a poison in race relations and a bunch of liars.)
As for their charming decision to illustrate their piece with a picture of graffiti of a Star of David and the words 'Kill ARABS', implying that's my view: if I believed in using the libel courts - which I don't - I would take this bunch of lying extremists to the cleaners.
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Miv Tucker
July 14th, 2008 11:29amStephen,
I wish you would sue these people - it would, at the very least, be playing them at their own game (vide your own post on Harry's Place, for instance:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/stephenpollard/827846/support-harrys-place.thtml)
PJD
July 14th, 2008 11:58amThe problem with the Adloyada accusation and your support of it is that there is no evidence that MPACUK had any intention of delibrately misleading anyone by having the JDL logo under.
I see you don't dispute their explanation in their 2nd paragraph.
You might support burka wearing, but you have also ridiculed it on this blog as well.
Chris
July 14th, 2008 12:36pmOnce again - the word ' islamophobe' used to attempt to silence debate. Once again claims that to criticise even an islamic group is 'racist'.
islam is a set of (mediaevalist) beliefs. It is NOT a race.
If opposing the oppressive beliefs of islam makes one 'islamophobic' then sign me up.
I get sick to my stomach of the Jekyll and Hyde nature of islam as it exists in the west. One moment frothing at the mouth with red eyed murderous hatred for non-believers, the next adopting a cry-baby victimhood.
There are good ideas, and there are bad ideas. Behaving as though one lived in mediaeval Arabia is not a good idea.
For good measure, I think you're wrong on the wearing of burkas Stephen. It is oppressive.
Stephen P
July 14th, 2008 12:40pmPJD: I don't support burka wearing. I think it is offensive to British values. I support the right of people to wear burkas because British values include not banning things we are offended by. Don't youngnderstand the difference?
Branston
July 14th, 2008 12:53pmThe most surprising thing about Bush-gari and his illiterate mob is their claim of marginalization - this from an outfit that is regularly given space on the main news outlets (BBC/Sky News), a courtesy that is not extended to other extremist misfits and wingnuts such as members of the BNP.
michael
July 14th, 2008 1:10pmThey are, from what you say, extremist Muslims.
You are an extremist Zionist.
Water
July 14th, 2008 3:08pm"They claim to know a lot about me and my views;to have so much knowledge about me in fact that they are certain that I am a racist, Islamophobic, ZioNazi, gangster bigot (to use the labels they attach to me)" well, I certainly wouldn't call you that and still think you should try to become a MP (you could really use such an example to your advantage).
TE
July 14th, 2008 3:46pmWell said that man.
PJD
July 14th, 2008 4:15pmYes I "youngnderstand" the difference. But it depends on what is meant by "British values". It could be interpreted differently by different people as there is no set agreed upon list of such values.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if there was a bill put before parliament outlawing any garment that covers the face.
In any case the proportion of muslim women who wear the burka or niqab in the UK is very much a small minority.
Adam B.
July 14th, 2008 4:15pmMichael,
This may be news to you, but being a Zionist doesn't make one an extremist.
John
July 14th, 2008 6:13pmSorry, SP, it's you who is failing to understand Chris. Burkas are offensive BECAUSE we believe in British values: because they are an oppression of women by people with a vicious Medieval mysogynist mindset. And also because they intimidate the indigenous population, which has every right to object to this intimidation. When will people finally understand that the indigenous population has rights too?
John
July 14th, 2008 6:14pmAdam, come on, obviously he is about 4 years old; and quite a good typist for that age.
David
July 15th, 2008 10:25am"When will people finally understand that the indigenous population has rights too?"
Out of interest, how is Mrs Hussein's decision to were a hijab or burqa an infringement of your rights?
michael
July 15th, 2008 3:04pmAdam B.
You raise a fair point.
Does being a Zionist automatically mean being an extremist?
Frankly, I can only go on what I see from our two Spectator Bloggers, for instance vis a vis Iran and Palestine, where none of the recent accords we have read about in the press are echoed or welcomed by Phillips or Pollard, and where a war mongering agenda, character, consistent inability to criticise Israel for anything at all and character assasination of anyone, Jew or not, who dares to speak up for peace, rule the day.
Extremism must mean not being able to argue rationally, see both sides of an argument and steer a path between.
In this regard, certainly Phillips, and it would appear Pollard, seem to fit the bill.
Adam B.
July 15th, 2008 4:34pmMichael, it's a bit sad that you are so narrow minded that you judge two individuals as representing Zionism and Israel. Haven't you ever had the intellectual curiosity to read further and find out about Zionism? By the way, being against an accord which will be at Israel's expense does not make one a war monger. It just means one doesn't believe in peace at any cost i.e. when the price is too outrageously high.
Ann
July 15th, 2008 9:43pm"where none of the recent accords we have read about in the press are echoed or welcomed by Phillips or Pollard"
These 'accords' are about as meaningful as the Munich 'agreement' - one party has declared that it's only a ruse. I'll leave you to work out which party that was, the holy 'Palestinians' or the pesky Joos.
"and where a war mongering agenda, character, consistent inability to criticise Israel for anything at all and character assasination of anyone, Jew or not, who dares to speak up for peace, rule the day"
That is a common or garden lie.
John
July 16th, 2008 10:00amDavid, it's the right of the indigenous population not to have their country and culture overrun by hordes of invaders who declare quite openly their intention of destroying said culture. Anywhere else, this would be called imperialism and colonialism. If it isn't called imperialism and colonialism because the culture being overrun is that of white people, then it's racism also.
Gulfam Rashid
July 18th, 2008 12:02amTHE IRONY
Spectator readers and their ilk, generally tend to put Muslims into 2 groups
- The extremist
-And the paranoid winger.
But if you take a look at this and all similar articles. It is very clear that you can divide the people into 2 distinct groups.
- The extremist
-And the paranoid winger.
What is laughable is the ideal that the mighty British culture is at risk of being taken over by a small minority. A minority who is peddled as being so different. Only similar cultures can gradually take over.
For a very different culture to take over it has to be either put in by force, or it has to be a superior culture. - I am sure that no one here agrees with either scenario.
In that case stop peddling your hate and winging paranoia or give a logical explanation as to how this will be possible, without mentioning the usual garbage of PC or its the governments fault.
And by the way the British culture has drastically changed over the last 20 years, for worse. And it is not the fault of Muslims, Immigrants, or even the flying pig. The reason society is in a mess is down to everyone.
And btw Mr. Pollard
I am intrigued to understand why you were trawling the site of MPAC looking for the smallest amount of dirt. You have dedicated a lot of time to this so-called insignificant group. It appears as though you take their comments very seriously; they clearly are not insignificant in your eyes.
We are still waiting for you to provide evidence as to why MPAC is extremist, and I did say evidence and not a taste of your logic.
sophie
July 18th, 2008 12:04amThis is funny,
What are you getting your knickers in a twist about, Stephen?
So they had a banner linking to JDF without permission, big hoo-ha!
Charlotte
July 18th, 2008 9:05amZionism is racism, and you Mr Pollard support it. I would honestly suggest you read the biography of Mandela as it will maybe help you.
Adam B.
July 19th, 2008 12:21amCharlotte, anti-Zionism is racism. Are the Jews not entitled to self-determination? If not, can they all come and live where you do? As Martin Luther King said, "those who criticize Zionists mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism." Do some research on Zionism before you spout such garbage.