EXCLUSIVE: Baroness Tonge and terrorists

patricia

Frothing copy from Pollard the Persecutioner.

Let us hope that Tonge's bravery in squaring off against the Zionist revisionist historians on this site, in parliament, the lobbies and the media pays off with a more thorough examination of Israeli policies in the region and acts of barbarity against its indigenous population.

You could start, Mr Pollard, by calling on the Israeli government to fund the clearing of the cluster bombs and land mines with which it peppered Southern Lebanon during the last days of the 2006 war/collective punishment of the entire Lebanese population.

Because only when your copy book is completely clear, Mr Pollard, and only when you condemn violence from ALL sides, including by the IDF and its agents, can people like you hope to land a meaningful punch on any of your antagonists.

CG

I don't know why but the phrase 'physician, heal thyself' comes to me every time I read one of Patricia's posts. She does take herself very seriously, doesn't she?

Ted Tedford

"Condemn violence by all sides..."

If patricia's idea of bravery is to criticise Israeli policies in a room full of Hamas apologists, it's not surprising he has such a flmisy grip on morality.

Adam B.

Patricia,
1. Tonge says that she "understands" the deliberate murder of innocents in buses, cafes and restaurants. This is utterly disgusting. There is NEVER any justification for these atrocities.
2. Mr Tamimi says ALL Israelis are thieves and will all be "punished" (his declaration at a pro-Hizbollah demonstration in Hyde park in 2006). He condones the use of terrorism against Israeli civilians. He is a supporter of two groups, Hamas and Hizbollah, which advocate the extermination of all Jews in the world. Ms Tonge shares a platform with this man. Doesn't this bother you at all?
3. Your claim that ONLY the Arab Palestinians are indigenous shows your true agenda - you aren't debating borders or policies, you simply don't believe the Jewish homeland has a right to exist at all, in any circumstances. Why don't you admit it?
4. You may disagree with the use of cluster bombs (there is no such thing as a "nice" bomb) but the fact remains that the 2006 war was started by Hizbollah breaching an internationally recognized border, killing (what we now know to be) 10 soldiers inside Israel, and abducting two of the bodies for use in a "swap" for terrorists. Simultaneously, Hizbollah launched missiles into Israel, before Israel had responded at all. In total, Hizbollah fired 4000 missiles indiscriminately at civilian towns in northern Israel. Isn't that collective punishment?

Yaffle

I don't think "persecutioner" is actually a word

patricia

CG.

A snide remark, but with unintentional merit.

I treat the issues as seriously as as all those who come to this site to voice a passionate defence of Israel.

Ann

Ted, I think you mean she has a flimsy grasp on reality. Both she and the disgusting Tonge are quite literally in need of treatment.

Ad

When Baroness Tonge praises the Arab Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel, does it mean she also praises suicide bombers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Jordan, Egypt when Muslims kill fellow Muslims and in Russia when Chechen rebels massacre Christian Russians? Or does her praise for suicide bombers apply only when Muslims massacre Jews? How such an ignorant woman can be a Baroness and much so be a member of the Liberal Democrates?

n

check out tonge here: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/335/7625/842-b#178837 where she states:

"I am not anti Semitic, never have been, never will be, but..."

there is always a but!

"...I abhor the gross injustice perpetrated by Israel against Palestinians over the last 40 years, which is also harming the reputation of valued Jewish people all over the world."

so she is basically saying that she doesn't like jewish ppl because she disagrees with the israeli govt policy towards palestinians. isn't she?

Jack Shattuck

A UNANIMOUS League of Nations, 52-0, declared in 1924 the goal of establishing a Jewish National Home is Palestine. It did not arise for the first time as a sympathy vote after the Holocaust, two decades later.

wonderer

Ad, I don't recall BT ever expressing sympathy (coded as "understanding") for any terrorists other than Palestinian ones. But one of her admirers in these blogs might be able to tell us.

Nowadays explicit anti-semitism isn't fashionable and not many indigenous Brits or Europeans can summon up enough of the perverse variety of moral courage required to express it, so a preoccupation with the Palestinian cause makes a wonderful flag of convenience for anti-semites.

Ann

And furthermore, Jack, Jewish presence in Israel has been continuous, and the big surge started 50 years before the LoN *), and in any case the LoN, a self-invented body, has no legal or moral right either to deny the Jews their homeland or 'give' it to them.

*) The usual suspects may look up when Tel-Aviv was established, never mind Petah Tikva or Rishon Le-Zion or Rosh Pina; also, Jewish presence in Tiberias, for example.

On various threads, we see antisemites post manufactured quotes from Ben-Gurion and others, that say the opposite from the above. These are no more genuine than the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

CS

While holding no brief for either Israel or the Palestinians and feeling that they both deserve each other, instead of expressing outrage at the comparison of suicide bombers with bomber pilots, why don't you explain to us what you feel the difference is?

If we regard the killing of civilians as morally wrong, surely the degree of that wrong should not depend on whether or not the person doing the "bombing" is on a government salary.

wonderer

CS, the difference depends on intention. If the suicide bomber or other terrorist deliberately targets civilians as such, that is obviously an atrocity, especially if he does not give the sort of prior warning that was frequently given by Irish Republican terrorists. The same would apply to the bomber pilot. On the other hand, there is no onus on the pilot to accord the terrorist a safe haven simply because he lurks among civilians. To kill a terrorist in retaliation for an attack or to forestall one is legitimate, even if regrettably it results in civilian deaths. In practice, I understand that the IDF endeavour to minimise Palestinian casualties and have on occasion suffered increased casualties themselves as a result, eg at Jenin. They have never to my knowledge adopted the Syrian approach (Hama 1982)of wiping out an entire town with stand-off shelling.

I realise that you may not be convinced by this argument: as you say you believe the Israelis and Palestinians deserve each other, you possibly accept the Hamas argument that every Israeli child is a legitimate target because it is a future soldier. But perhaps you would like to clarify your stance on that.

Finally, I am not implying that soldiers are automatically a legitimate target, although they may be, depending on the circumstances, eg during formal hostilities when there is no truce or ceasefire.