And Another Thing

David Lindsay

There is not the space here to set out in full the theological arguments against the ordination of women, which is certainly never going to happen in the Catholic Church.

But there is the space here to set out that independent research has found very large proportions of the women among the Church of England’s clergy to be doubters of, or disbelievers in, absolutely key points of doctrine, with two thirds denying “that Jesus Christ was born of a Virgin”, and, astonishingly, fully one quarter denying the existence “of God the Father Who created the world”.

No, thanks!

Jim Roche

The article demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the underlying sexual symbolism. In ancient Judaism, God was always 'He' - there were no female deities or priestesses (unlike other ancient religions. God is masculine, the Church is feminine.
Today, the Catholic Church is 'Holy Mother Church' and is 'She'. Christ is the bridegroom, the Church is the bride. This was shown graphically at the Easter vigil, when the Paschal Candle (representing Christ) was thrust three times into the holy water in the baptismal font (representing the womb from which new Christians emerge).

The Priest represents Christ in the Sacraments - as in 'This is my body' or 'I absolve you' so must represent him in his maleness. Catholic priestesses would be acting as spiritual lesbians. Peter Kreeft is good on this topic.

Christ could have chosen men as priests, as the article pointed out He gave great respect to women but he chose not to.

Ann

Excellent article, very thought provoking. I'm an Anglican and proud of it. I beleive the Catholic Church should take a good long hard look at itself. It's way behind the times and if it wants to survive as a credible religion it needs to look seriously at the ordination of women. People do not have so much 'blind' faith anymore, we are better educated and less superstitious. Faith should be a comfort and women naturally fulfil this role. Leave the theology to the men, much safer in my opinion. And don't get me started on celibacy - how un-natural is that?!!

Recusant

Oh dear Paul. I fear you have blundered in without consideration of the evidence available to you.

There is a denomination - the Anglicans - who have done as you suggested - and it has not helped the overall level of ordinations one jot: they are still falling. It has, however, and especially in North America, see its congregation and influence tumble.

Meanwhile the global Catholic church - not just the bit here in the West - has seen its total level of ordination remain steady.

Jim Roche

Dear Ann

Glad to hear that you are proud of being Anglican.

May I suggest that you read CS Lewis, another Anglican, on Priestesses - you can find it free on Google.
"Goddesses have, of course, been worshipped: many religions have had priestesses. But they are religions quite different in character from Christianity. Common sense, disregarding the discomfort, or even the horror, which the idea of turning all our theological language into the feminine gender arouses in most Christians, will ask 'Why not? Since God is in fact not a biological being and has no sex, what can it matter whether we say He or She, Father or Mother, Son or Daughter?'

But Christians think that God Himself has taught us how to speak of Him. To say that it does not matter is to say either that all the masculine imagery is not inspired, is merely human in origin, or else that, though inspired, it is quite arbitrary and unessential. And this is surely intolerable: or, if tolerable, it is an argument not in favour of Christian priestesses but against Christianity. It is also surely based on a shallow view of imagery. Without drawing upon religion, we know from our poetical experience that image and apprehension cleave closer together than common sense is here prepared to admit; that a child who has been taught to pray to a Mother in Heaven would have a religious life radically different from that of a Christian child. And as image and apprehension are in an organic unity, so, for a Christian, are human body and human soul."

Meanwhile, why not leave the 1.1billion and 300million Orthodox to follow the Example of our Lord and Saviour?

Ruth Fitch

How can you understand 'sacerdotal celibacy'? St Peter was married!

Pat Brown

There are many groups all over the world campaigning for women's ordination in the Catholic Church and supporting women called to priesthood. The UK group is called Catholic Women's Ordination (CWO) and details can be found at www.catholic-womens-ordination.org.uk

Pippa Bonner

Thanks Paul Johnson for this article, which I read belatedly.Taking issue with Jim Roche: Christ appointed Apostles but not the structure of priesthood that we have now. He instituted the Eucharist at a Passover Meal where women were present (and where the woman has a liturgical role.)Men and women worked with Christ. The institution of male priesthood came later. Also, as is generally accepted, secular priests were not necessarily celibate for the first thousand years. So changes have happened and will again. Please have a look at the Catholic Women's Ordination website that Pat Brown mentions.It is very informed/informative and links to informed theological and Church documents and research which support the points I have made.