The Archbishop is little more than a posh John Prescott in a black dress
Rod Liddle is infuriated by a church leader who refuses to confront the inhumanity perpetrated in the name of Islam or the consequences — visible in Malaysia — of legal apartheid
As for that tossed-off comment, ‘Nobody would want to see ...’ — well I could show you a few hundred Muslim clerics in this country who would like to see precisely that. Who are you, Rowan, to tell them that their understanding of their own faith is mistaken? And that hopeless, over-qualified clause: ‘inhumanity that has sometimes been associated...’. Been associated? You oaf, you moron, you coward. That inhumanity has not ‘been associated’ with some Islamic states: it actually happens, in real life, every day; it is not a distortion of the media’s making, it is not something George Bush or Paul Dacre invented. It is there, to a greater or lesser degree, in 53 states of the world: the 53 Islamic states.
But he has form, of course, the Archbish; he once announced, attempting to heal the wounds of the world after 9/11, that Islamic terrorists had ‘serious goals’ and that it wouldn’t do simply to condemn them. Clearly, he is absolutely incapable, intellectually and morally, of confronting inhumanity perpetrated in the name of religious belief, be it the 9/11 bombings, or a hand sliced off a thief in Riyadh, or a woman divorced and left penniless by an Islamic sharia court in the UK.
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Cicero
February 14th, 2008 3:09pmA great joy to read this. Good on yer Rod. Keep on sticking it to these waffling, pumped-up, self-righteous pseuds.
Herbert Thornton
February 14th, 2008 6:00pmI found one of these questions and it's required answer on another web site, so I checked it in my family's Book of Common Prayer.
Sure enough it - and several others - were there, under the heading - "The form of ordaining or consecrating of an Archbishop or Bishop."
Three of these questions and their required answers are below.
I presume that on his consecration as Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams both heard the questions and gave the required answers -
"ARE you persuaded that you be truly called to this Ministration, according to the will of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the order of this Realm?"
Answer. "I am so persuaded."
"WILL you then faithfully exercise yourself in the same holy scriptures, and call upon God by prayer, for the true understanding of the same; so that you may be able by them to teach and exhort with wholesome doctrine, and to withstand and convince the gainsayers?"
Answer. "I will do so by the help of God."
"ARE you ready, with all faithful diligence, to banish and drive away all erroneous and strange doctrine contrary to God’s Word; and both privately and openly to call upon and encourage others to the same?"
Answer: "I am ready, the Lord being my helper."
Words that surely cry out for attention are "the order of this Realm"; "withstand and convince the gainsayers"; and "drive away all erroneous and strange doctrine".
It seems to me that this Archbishop has either forgotten those words, or deliberately abandoned them. Even worse, did he even believe in them in the first place, so that his answers were lies?
ian skidmore
February 14th, 2008 7:47pmThi is just silly and quite unworthy of Liddle whose work I usually admire. TheArchbishop ws opening a debate whiuch is perfeclty proper. I do not agree with his proposition but will defend etc.......
Our Man in Lisbon
February 15th, 2008 1:08amGood to see Liddle back on form. Interesting that this Skidmore fellow defends the A of C for opening the debate yet condemns Liddle for joining it.
John, Basingstoke
February 15th, 2008 9:09amI cannot agree more, this bumbling fool has aroused such anger in me, well,my utterances exploded into unprintable expletitives over this appeasement driven moron who mimicks and leads the ridiculous bunch of "Neville Chamberlist" tree huggers that control the Church of England today and drive it to even lower disrepute and scorn. For the record my great grandfather was a Bishop, how he must be squirming over this sorry now irrelavent institution.
ian skidmore
February 15th, 2008 11:48amIf only Liddle ha joined he debate tis Skidmore fellow would have been delighted, but then he believes that name calling has no place in intelligent discourse.
Richard Walker
February 15th, 2008 3:36pmLiddle’s brilliant analysis would be so uplifting were not the implications of the Archbishop utterances so depressing. Not only has Williams damaged the Church of England, betrayed his own Bishops and endangered the lives of Christians throughout the world, he now shrouds his stupidity behind the word unclarity. How honest of this intellectual man of God! Let us hope that he is encouraged to resign since there are excellent candidates who have the competences to lead the Church of England. York, Rochester and London come to mind.
Michael W Stone BA FBIS
February 15th, 2008 4:41pmWhat's new about the majority ethnic groupd discrimuinating against itself? I thought that was how things had been in Britain ever since the Race Relations industry got started. As for Malaysia, by Rod's own statement Moslem and non-Moslem live together in prosperity and with little ethnic tension. Sounds pretty good. No doubt the system has its injustices but what system doesn't? Do mothers fare any worse in Malaysian custody cases that fathers often do in British ones? It all sounds perfectly workable, and appears to be keeping the peace, so if that's what the Archbishop was advocating, it would seem an entirely reasonable suggestion. BTW I am not an Anglican.
Simplicius
February 15th, 2008 4:44pmOh, yes, Williams does seem to make it up as he goes along, and doesn't seem to be particularly interested in Christianity. I loved the following article about how Williams went to China and declared the Christians had become "freer" to practice Christianity....he kowtows a little too often, and, it seems, to the wrong people. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/24/wrowan24.xml
rosemary
February 19th, 2008 3:27pmMay I suggest people read the Archbishop's lecture to lawyers on Faith and the Law, and then read the Pope's lecture to scientists on Faith and Reason? They will then be able to compare their respective academic scholarship and intelligence.
Barry
February 20th, 2008 5:51pmAround the time of the speech I got a Mint card. Perhaps this is all my fault?
Nick ( Forward in Faith )
February 24th, 2008 10:26pmSurely the prime requirement of all bishops( including archbishops) is to preach the Gospel of Christ,not to be an apologist for Islam or any other religion.Respect their right to choose their own religion yes.British law is based on CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES AND THOSE CHOOSING to live here must accept this fact and abide by BRITISH LAW WHICH HAS STOOD THE TEST OF TIME