Al-Qa’eda’s secret UK gangs: terror as a ‘playground dare’

Austin Barry

Sooner or later there will need to be a de facto partial moratorium on immigration from certain countries (this will never be stated openly) and interdiction by assassination (of which we will hear even less). Meanwhile, apparently, we can rely on interdiction by budget operated by Jacqui Smith and Hazel Blears, and if this Maginot line of idiocy reflects Government strategy for the Homeland, then we've had it chums.

Roy

Muslim leaders are always afraid of upsetting other Muslim leaders and defy all to stay well within the fold. So it is with Black Americans as we have seen with the Obama speech. They will not betray their own even at the expense of all logic. British leading politician seem not to have any inhibitions in this regard. Have continually betrayed their own people, continue to bring the enemy in, give them sustenance, and crazily . . . citizenship.

ed lancey

"precisely because they are relatively well integrated" here we go again. Relatively speaking, i.e. relative to other immigrant/ethnic groups, Muslims are poorly integrated. And the last time I looked, 80% didn't constitute the hoary old "vast majority".

bruno

Apropro engineering degrees - studying for a master's in a fairly specialised part of engineering (not nuclear) some 30 years ago, out of a dozen students on the course - in a redbrick UK university, over half were from either Iran or Iraq. The UK needed to wake up long long ago to the massive training that we gave to potential enemies in many many branches of science and technology.

London Calling

I recently heard through the media that a undercover muslim employer working for MI5 was leaking information to a source outside, I never heard no more about it though, but if true who is guarding the guards?. You dont have to look Muslim to be a Muslim and the enemy could just be a loner who can quite easily go on the internet and learn how to make a home made bomb using basic materials available, however the cells normally group through college or through mosques, we therefore have to infiltrate these two areas as this is the only way to get closer to the real enemies as with drug smuggling,

Sajid Ali Khan

Obviously, first pick your "enemy". G W Bush & T. Blair did this for us. Then given time, & six years and counting is more than enough, use good old fashioned, tried & trusted, wartime propaganda to well & truly demonise "the enemy"; just as we did with the Japanese & the Germans in a bit less than six years during WWII. Only this time we demonise those who would otherwise be perfectly useful citizens of England.

Sajid Ali Khan

Fraser Nelson writes "so-called Waziristan"; but he only needs to Google "Waziristan" to get a clearer notion of both North & South Waziristan.

RJ MItchell

Just remind me: what were the benefits of mass immigration ? WE have all kinds of people living here now who are at best semi-detached from British society. The government does not have a clue how to sort out the mess - in fact they allow mass immigration from the 3rd world to continue. And their political correctness means they cannot even see the problems - let alone tackle them. Yikes.

J Solicar

On present rules of engagement, this struggle cannot be won. Britain's ruling elite have admitted a substantial and fast growing muslim population to the United Kingdom. That population, as it expands - as it must - will exert growing political and intimidatory power in the land. We have been seeing the signs of that for some time. Muslim youth senses weakness, and who does not want to be on the winning side? You can expand MI5 triple-fold; you can fund this moderate group or that moderate group; but in the end the demographics will do for you. Solution? It's probably too late. Within 40 years there will be balkanisation of England, perhaps with civil war in the style of Lebanon. You might try cutting off the continuing flow of Pakistani migration through marriage. You might try jettisoning your liberal pieties and bearing down on Moslems by telling them that this is our land and if they won't truly fit in - for instance by allowing their sons and (yes!) their daughters to "marry out" of their communities - they will have to return to their own benighted countries of ancestral origin. For this will be a struggle for territory if the English are not to become cringing helots in their own home. We know of course that our feable and corrupt political class will not face the reality for some years yet. Tragically, our children and grandchildren face a terrible future - unless of course they qualify to migrate to Australia.

F Kimbal Johnson

No Muslim immigrants means no terrorist threat and billions saved for the British taxpayer.

thecomebackid@hotmail.com

Hazel Blears and Ruth Kelly are considering witholding funds from the MCB? Why should taxpayers and Government be supporting such organisations in the first place?

Mark S. Bennison(author)

This kind of debate will go on and on so long as it is advertised. We have only ourselves to blame: I admit to voting for 'new labour'. Shame on me. Blair hooked up with Bush,or did Bush hook Blair. Anyway, Blair should have looked at his population before invading the extended shores of the UK, which he now envoys for peace. Have I suddenly been quantum leaped to a different planet! Of course, the Muslims were not going to feel anything such as revenge! Even five years on. Still, the price of oil and so called democracy smuthered with dictatorship, is worth it. Is it not? Then I shall have to stop paying all my taxes, which I can't anyway. At least we knew what Saddam was. We have to know our own leaders through secondhand events such as puishing through policies, and changes, that the british public did not vote for or appear to have the brains to disaprove. We should have called for a general strike to stop the strike of Iraq. My kingdom for a crystal ball! So, we are half way past the 'B's. Bush will be gone and the 'C's could be coming (Clinton)and her new future 'friend', Cameron. Hope he can keep his sip up. Or should they be friends, being opposites such as Blair and Bush. Oh, sorry, no party differences across the pond. God, what a prospect. That's it! Let's put our faith in God. But, which one? Ah! MacAain. Yes, he will be able to keep Allah on the back benches. So, until we do a deal which mirrors the IRA, we will be debating terror for ever and evOr until Allah wins an election. Watch this space!

m wood

Isn't it time to loudly say to the Islamists that "our way of life is better, kinder, more tolerent than yours. It took us many 100s of years to get here - we used to do some pretty horible things, - but what we have now is a better way of life - why not come and join it"? The only reason people change their lives if there is something better to look forward to. In the end, thats why the Berlin wall came down - those on the other side saw we had a better way of life.

DE Cooper

The threat is not something that can be beaten quickly, if at all. There are just too many obstacles. Chief among these is the fact that so called "Muslim leaders" will seldom condemn terrorism or the individuals and frameworks which promote it. There are certainly no go (Muslim) areas in this country, as Michael Ali, Bishop of Rochester, correctly and bravely pointed out, and this determination by Muslims to be seperate means the government and the rest of us are fighting a losing battle against extremism. We can never count on people from the so called "community" to pass on vital information despite many being born and bred in the UK. In France and in other places, a much tougher approach would be taken for sure.

Augustus

'Too late and the unthinkable may happen...' That's been the West's problem all along. Sleepwalking (until 9/11) and then, like the Sun suddenly shining out of a cellar, you're confronted with untrammelled extremists spuwing hellfire and unlimited destruction in the name of Allah. Well, there are many obstacles to dialogue. Point 1. Moslem councils don't make the laws in Europe. Point 2. There ain't nearly enough anti-extremist propaganda being shown in the media. In this day and age that's the best way to avoid the coming fighting in the streets. Have we got to have another general strike to get things moving? BTW how to define a moderate? Anyone who doesn't want to kill you if you cast some criticism at them? Crikey, wake up people and smell the coffee...

Alistair

In Canada we are already losing the battle against rising Islamic extremism. When Mark Steyn, a former columnist for The Spectator, published an excerpt from his book "America Alone" in our weekly, "MacLeans Magazine", the Canadian Islamic Congress complained to the Canadian Human Rights Commission citing hate literature. The HRC is a quasi judicial body which arbitrates discrimination issues over rental housing and such like. The CIC has found a powerful ally in their fight against freedom of speech. Don't let it happen in Britain.

John Walter

I can't see that this article tells me anything I didn't already know. I searched long and hard for something new. For example you didn't need the July bombers to realise that terrorists are educated middle class, that was obvious from the German cell. And 2,000 plots tells me not that the threat has increased but that MI5 haven't a clue who is a threat and who isn't, so everybody is to be on the safe side. Yes, and just when are the Heathrow eleven coming to trial for God's sake? Two years on and not a peep? So, guys did we or didn't we have concrete and clear evidence of an immediate threat or not? Because two years sounds to me like somebody is scratching around for evidence.