Shame on Scottish Tories for their Vichy sell-out

Jonny English

Why don't they all just bugger off.

Derek Tomnay

England should fear nothing from Scottish independence. The subsidised scots should go their own way. The Conservative party should defend England as there is no advantage in continually maintaining the union. Without Scotland the Conservatives could govern England for ever more.

John F Aberdeen

As a Conservative supporter I agree with most of what Mr Warner has written.
In the last elections I voted SNP in order to defeat the labour MSP and local Lib Dem councillor.
My biggest anger and frustration is at the stupid antics of the Tory party in Scotland. What the hell are they doing aligning themselves with our enemies (labour and Lib-dems) in this independence commission.
Scottish political life has for too long be dominated by a self serving clique and an incompetent, often corrupt clique at that, which includes a backward leaning, uncritical and subserviant media. Wittness people going from media jobs to political jobs and back again,, Labour leaders holidaying with BBC,s Wark.
Brown, Blair and the rest of the Nulab and Lib-dem gangs were happy through the 1980,s to foster anti-english sentiments,, the english were a good cover for the real problems in scotland,, mostly generated by the local incompetent, backward, socialist, freemasonary dominated Scottish clique that have been running the country for decades.
Then Brown, Blair etall let the independance genie out of the bottle and now the English are (understandably) up in arms using the same insults today as scots were (and some still are) using in the 1980,s and 90,s
It would be constructive for those of us in scotland, who hate Socialism and want to destroy it, if the Tory party would come up with sensible policies that address the problems of today.
Firstly they should have nothing to do with the Labour/Dem clique and get out of that commission.
Secondly, propose that the Barnett formula be scrapped. As a believer in conservative principles, I don,t believe in subsidies.
Third, propose that the scottish parliament be allowed to cover its expenditures by raiseing all taxes in scotland,, yes that means all taxes including North Sea Oil (North of the border), whiskey etc.
Fourth, look at separating all other taxes eg, road fund licence, petrol taxes etc even Vat.
Yes lets have competition between the countries, like there is between the North and South of Ireland.
There are arguments about whether or not Scotland can survive on its own through raising its own taxes,, well its time we found out,, take away the pathetic scottish winge of blaming the English, with all revenues and expenditure being controlled in Scotland then that fig leaf has gone.
Fifth, Combine the MP and MSP roles so that MP/MSP,s only attend the UK parliament in a senate. This would leave English MPs to attend to their own business.
I know the above looks like being independant, however, unless the Tory party in scotland opens its brains to new independant thinking based on good tory principles of freedom, self reliance and individual independance from high taxes and petty fogging regulations and public sector jobsworths, instead of linking with the failed Lab/Lib Dem clique then the SNP will continue to enjoy the sight of the scots and english shouting insults and the UK breaking up.
Finally,, I hope Tory supporters (The ones Goldie and the other comfortable Tory MSP,s dont care about) in other constituancies consider following my tactical voting,, especially in seats held by Brown, Darling, Kennedy, in fact all seats held by Labour and the Lib Dems,,, they set out to destroy the UK for their own political purposes,, its up to us Scots who hate scoialism to destroy them.
Frankly I would like to vote conservative in scotland, but cannot see any good reason for doing so.
My biggest desire is to see Mr Cameron elected as PM in place of Brown, surely our worst PM ever and if that means voting SNP in the short term to get 2 parties of socialists out, we can deal with the 3rd socialist party after the Tory victory in England.

Scottish Conservative (Vichy branch)

Utter nonsense from start to finish.

Mr. Warner spends most of the first half of this piece berating the Scottish Conservatives for backing devolution - Armageddon turns into the settled will of the Scottish people, that its only the perks the MSPs get that explain the Partys support for it, that the Party got more votes when it opposed it than it does now and that there is a link between this change in position and the falling levels of support.

And then without a hint of irony our sage proclaims that nobody thinks it would be serious politics to call for Holyroods abolition. So why then all the complaints about the Party accepting devolution if u yourself accept it ye big appeaser ye.

We then have my personal favourite "Yet there are innumerable other scenarios the Scottish Tories could have promoted, to the discomfiture of their opponents and the approval of the public." Eh? like what? fewer powers? surely that would induce the same public reaction as abolition. saying it should never have been created whilst still opposing its abolition? come on now!! I would be extremely interested in these innumerable alternatives u tell us r available as i cant think of them.

We r then informed that in pubs and clubs ppl hate the msps. well yes they r particualrly useless n ppl dont like politicians neway. but this doesnt mean they favour the abolition of holyrood. the last 2 polls had 6% and 9% respectively supporting abolition so the Warner Party will be losing deposits across the land by the looks of it.

The confused thinking continues with the ludicrous argument that because Holyrood didnt pass a 50% of the overall electorate hurdle thereby it lacks popular support. Gerald it got 75% approval at the referendum amongst those who turned out. according to your logic there wouldnt be a legitimate government in the western world outside australia. even if not everyone voted virtually noone wants it abolished - apparently not even u. but since u spend most of ur article berating its existence only to say it wouldnt be serious to abolish it i am at a loss as to what u r advocating. what is ur point?

and please spare us these infantile references to vichy and munich - alex salmond is not adolf hitler, scottish independence would not be world war 2 and so these obtuse parallels only serve to further discredit ur already weak argument.

James

This article reads like that from some bitter politics student.

If you seriously think the Scottish people didn't support having their own Parliament then you're utterly deluded and need to grow up.

David McEwan Hill

Mr Warner has been writing absolute nonsense for a few years now and this offering is no different. He writes to reinforce the idiotic prejudices of a handful of antidiluvian relics and gets paid handsomely for his efforts,but nobody in Scotland pays any attention to him. I hope the English don't make the mistake of doing so.
There is nothing unTory about supporting Scottish Independence (or sturdy self-reliance if you prefer it described like that).

Michael Hill

The League of the South supports Scottish Independence. See www.dixienet.org. It's Scotland's right to run her affairs as she sees fit.