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Wednesday, 21st May 2008

Lloyd Evans reports on the latest Spectator / Intelligence Squared event

No debate this month at Intelligence Squared. Instead Gore Vidal is interviewed by Melvyn Bragg. The 800-strong crowd start to applaud even before Vidal reaches the rostrum. White-haired, frail and wheelchair-bound, he is modestly dressed in a dark suit but he exudes a dangerous alertness and grins hungrily as the questions begin.

Bragg moves, scalpel-like, to the meatiest issue of the day. ‘Are you surprised by Obama’s success? Because you thought Hillary would win.’ ‘I wanted her to win,’ Vidal says, subtly re-aligning the question like a chess grand-master. He tells an anecdote about Hillary’s early campaign. She identified a group of voters, ‘white middle-aged men of property’, who consistently refused to support her. After several months she discovered the problem. ‘I remind them of their first wife.’

Vidal ascribes Obama’s success to ‘the Republic’s unfinished business – slavery,’ and he foresees an Obama presidency as a ‘general expiation.’  Yet he has no relish for the contest. ‘I’ve never seen an uglier election.’ Whispering campaigns have labelled Obama ‘an apostate’, a coded message intended to persuade voters that he converted to Christianity from Islam. Vidal recalls similar dirty tricks from 2004 when the Bush campaign seemed to take a lead from Machievelli. ‘Find your opponent’s strong point. And strike them there.’ The decorated war hero John Kerry was smeared as a coward. ‘This from a president who dared not join the boy scouts.’ His derision for Bush is intense but leavened with mockery. ‘Bush keeps telling us he’s a wartime president and he claims wartime powers so that he can subvert the constitution,’ – ironic pause – ‘a document he hasn’t read.’

When Bragg asks if John McCain will prove a tough opponent, Vidal slips into a faultless Mr McGoo impersonation. ‘Well, George,’ he quails in a pipsqueak southern accent, ‘ah don’t know what’s happening here.’ This skit seems peculiarly crushing. For all his gravitas and sophisticated formality, Vidal has a crowd-pleasing nightclub quality to him. He could storm it at the Comedy Store.

They turn to political theory. ‘After years of pretending I’d read all of Aristotle, I finally did. And in the Politics Aristotle reviews every democracy there is, trying to figure out why they all failed. It’s brilliant stuff. You can’t read it unmoved because it’s our life too.’ Enthused by this grand tone, Bragg presses for more. ‘What constitutes the good life?’ Vidal seems to sense a platitude lurking and cunningly sidesteps the question. ‘The good life is not thinking about it. That’s a mistake. It’s not a formula that you can attach to yourself.’

The anecdotes and one-liners are faultlessly performed but they bear the polish of many decades. What’s amazing is that he’s even better at improvising and when Bragg opens the debate to the floor the questions pour in at random. Vidal is inexhaustible and can respond wittily to any subject under the sun.

The first questioner alludes to his recent move from Ravello to Los Angeles and asks, ‘What is the best view in the world?’ ‘I guess I’m not looking at it.’ Everyone laughs but Vidal isn’t dismissing the questioner but disparaging LA’s smoggy vistas. A woman asks about education. ‘Have standards fallen in America and England?’ ‘I’ve never been educated in England,’ he smiles, ‘except inadvertently.’ Invited to ‘share his reaction’ to the death of William F Buckley he shrugs, ‘He’s not going to like hell.’ The next question, ‘Where do you find hope and joy?’ puzzles him. ‘Is the aim of life joy? I thought utility was the aim. You never get tired of trying to be useful because you never really succeed.’ This is vintage Vidal. His ability to extemporise lapidary remarks immediately impresses everyone in the room – except himself.

More questions. ‘Why has Al Gore been so silent in this election?’ ‘Maybe he felt he had nothing to add. He saved the planet once. Two Nobels would be greedy.’ Was he surprised that Tony Blair become so enamoured of Bush? ‘It’s for you to tell me. I don’t know what hormonal ripplings there were.’ His enunciation of ‘ripplings’ is pointedly erotic. Blair, he says, had bad case of ‘Churchill envy’, and this leads him to an analysis of Churchill’s relationship with FDR. He likens the latter to the first Roman emperor. ‘He thought he was Augustus. The world is mine!’ and he set about dismantling what remained of Europe’s empires.

To end the interview there’s another Big Question. ‘Is there an afterlife?’ Short pause. ‘There is silence at the end. And good luck.’ With that, Bragg offers his thanks and we stand to applaud. Most of us have never seen anything quite so graceful and potent – and strange – as Gore Vidal. Coiled in his wheelchair he glides into the night. A fabulous talking serpent that bites with its tongue.

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stanislav, a young Polish plumber

May 21st, 2008 11:51am

Yes, but such a shame he never did a day's work in his life, save self-celebration; imagine what truths he might have divined as, say, a plumber or a nurse; still, he was probably in good company, where, after all, would we all be without Melvyn Lord Bragg?

David Short

May 21st, 2008 12:28pm

I agree with you, Stanislav, the guy's condescension and hauteur are breath-taking, as is of course the willingness of the Spectator and Bragg (sometimes names are so well-tailored!) to suck up to him the way they do.

If you substituted the name of Joe SixPack as the author, they would sound exactly what they are: uniformed, rude prejudice.

But at least Gore Vidal, for all his stuffed shirt attitude has seen real life, serving his country in real danger in World War II.

All Bragg has done is kiss arse on the South Bore Show for God knows how long, earn millions in share options at London Week Television, ate and drank for England at luvvy lunches and dinners, and written 'novels' that are embarrassingly bad and toe-curling.

At least some of Vidal's books have quality.

ian skidmore

May 22nd, 2008 2:11pm

very well done. I thought I ws there. I can only assume that your other comments have come from people who have not read Vidal's essays on which he rests his considerble reputation.Why are people so unkind to Bragg ? He is providing some of the most inteligent TV and radio available. We can forgive him his novels.

Edmundwest

May 23rd, 2008 11:22am

Vidal was a bit of a bore to be honest, and clearly has a high opinion of himself, not surprising with Bragg and the audience hanging on his every word.

Should the Spectator be sponsoring someone who clearly thinks that the Democrats are the best thing since sliced bread and McCain is Mr Magoo?
I can read Comment is Free to get that angle.

Same with that debate the other week about America's moral authority - between those who thought that Bush was stupid and Americans would break out of their stupidity soon (e.g. Sharma), and those who think that Bush as well as all Americans are stupid (e.g. Self).
I can listen to the Today programme to get my fill of that stuff.

Finally, would it be possible to get the sound a little better - I had trouble being able to hear Vidal at times.

slinkybender

May 23rd, 2008 11:30am

The author of 'Live From Golgotha' should surely pray there's no afterlife.


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