SNP: do you attract more flies with honey or vinegar?

Welfare reform is back on the agenda. Today there have been reports of how the Tories plan to reform welfare benefits in this country. What is Mel Stride thinking?

Also on the podcast, Rishi Sunak will this evening travel to meet with Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon. What will they be discussing? Why is it that our prime ministers treat trips north of the border like foreign visits?

Cindy Yu speaks to Fraser Nelson and Katy Balls. 

Produced by Cindy Yu and Oscar Edmondson.