The Government wins the 42-day detention vote
For: 315 Against: 306 So that’s a majority of nine for the Government. Incidentally, that’s the exact number of DUP MPs, who did side with Brown in the end.
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Wednesday
MPs’ pettiness over expenses doesn’t help
Thanks to the High Court, we’ll be seeing full details of MPs’ expenses in October. That’s a good thing. But, as Three Line Whip is reporting, some MPs are still waging personal campaigns against the decision. The culprit this time is the Tory MP Julian Lewis. In response to the High Court judgment that the addresses of MPs’ second homes should be released, he’s demanding that the home addresses of the judges presiding over the case also be made public. The reason? None, beyond sheer pettiness. And that’s not something that becomes our parliamentary representatives. Thankfully, Jack Straw’s declining to release the addresses. But this is exactly the kind of thing that Cameron needs to clamp
The rebels aren’t going quietly
There was talk earlier this morning that Diane Abbott was one of those MPs who had been coaxed back to the government side. That seems to have been spectacularly wide of the mark. She just made a bravura speech against 42 days. Abbott’s peroration will have stung Gordon Brown particularly hard “Any rebel backbencher with a cause knows, if they vote the right way, that the prime minister will make a statement, give them money, make a special visit. Is it truly right that our civil liberties should be traded in this sort of bazaar?” Hat Tip: Andrew Sparrow.
Is the 42-day vote still too close to call?
As a partial counterpoint to Fraser’s post, Ben Brogan writes on his blog: “Mr Brown’s spokesman a short while ago said if the vote were held now “the Government would not have enough votes to win”. We are also told there is no deal with the DUP. And someone else on the Government side has just told me the advice is “brace yourselves”. Certainly, the DUP are taking this to the wire.” Of course, this is the message coming out of the Government, so take it with a pinch of salt. But, even so, all signs suggest it will be very, very close either way.
As the vote looms, Government success looks likely
Depending on who you listen to, the government is currently between 4 and 18 votes down on 42 days, excluding the DUP’s eight votes. But it’s difficult to divine the truth when there is so much expectations management in play. The DUP could of course take the government’s £200 million and still vote with the Tories. But it would be mad to close the door to further bribes. There are two more years to go of Brown and, the way things are going, the DUP may be starting a long and fruitful relationship and may be able to negotiate control of Western Scotland. Expect Brown to be unbearable if he wins. As, I suspect,
If 42 days is bad, 90 must have been worse
There will be no profiles in courage written about those people who were happy to be part of a government that was pushing aggressively for 90 days but–now that they are out of power—like to boast about their opposition to 42 days. Paul Waugh, whose blog is rapidly becoming an essential read, reports on how one of these cowardly converts found himself rejected by those he imagined would be his new friends: A witness reports that as [Charles Clarke] appeared on the Commons terrace yesterday, Clarke was loudly denouncing the anti-terror proposals as one of the most badly drafted pieces of legislation by any Government. Unfortunately serial Labour rebel Lynne
PMQs footage | 11 June 2008
Courtesy of Politics Home, here’s footage of Cameron’s exchanges with Brown in PMQs:
42-days dominates PMQs
It was a 42 days special, with Brown referring five times to the advice of the “security services.” On Monday a CoffeeHouser named “Smiley”, claiming to be from MI5, said the Service has never offered any advice in public or private, and added that the phrase “security services” was devised by Blair to obscure this point. A hoax comment, I thought, but intriguingly the head of MI5 issued a statement later in strikingly similar language. My point: MI5 doesn’t arrest or detain anyone, is stridently neutral on this, and it is disingenuous of Brown to hint otherwise. But Cameron was on simply superb form, deriding Brown for quoting comments on ConservativeHome website. Yes
The love affair of some on the left with Cuba illustrates their moral depravity
That Gordon Brown can buy off potential Labour rebels by proposing a softer line on Cuba illustrates just how much of a special place the Castro despotism still has in the heart of some Labour MPs. These people are just like those on the reactionary right who used to cheerlead for apartheid South Africa. They are blinded to the hideous nature of the regime they’re supporting by the fact that’s its enemy is their enemy. It is supremely ironic that these MPs have to be bought off to support 42 days detention. In their favourite hereditary-run despotism, the authorities lock people up indefinitely whenever they feel like it. Some say
The ‘No’s are sneaking it in Ireland
[Many thanks to Ruth Dudley Edwards, who’ll be covering the Irish referendum for Coffee House over the next few days. Here’s her first post – Pete Hoskin] I haven’t seen so many confusing posters since Beirut in the early 1990s. They are layered on every lamppost in Dublin. The Yes lobby’s contributions are pious and vacuous and unwisely have photographs of politicians – an unpopular group at the moment. ‘Europe. Let’s be at the heart of it’ urges the Fine Gael offering, which features the EPP-ED cute little logo of stars inside a heart. ‘Good for Ireland Good for Europe’ say Fianna Fail. ‘Vote Yes for jobs, the economy and Ireland’s future’ beg the
Brogan: The vote looks won
Over at his invaluable blog, Ben Brogan reports that: The DUP are on board, Diane Abbott has been spoken to by Gordon Brown for the first time in 20 years, cash for sick miners and help for Cuba has been whistled out of nowhere, and so the vote is won. I spoke to David Davis earlier, who knows a thing or two about whipping and numbers. The 54 Labour rebels he knew about on Friday were down to 44 last night, and the DUP will support Mr Brown. At that rate the game is up.
Political insiders think 42-day detention will scrape through
According to their latest poll, some 66 percent of Politics Home’s group of insiders think that the Government’s 42-day detention proposal will get through Parliament today. All things considered, a two-thirds chance of Government success sounds about right.
MPs to vote on 42-day detention
After all the talk, exhortations and hand-wringing, today’s the day that MPs finally vote on the Government’s 42-day detention plan. That will happen at 7pm, and we can expect a result shortly afterwards. So what to look out for? Obviously, the key question is whether there are enough rebels for the Government to be defeated. At the moment, it’s too close to call. Over the past few days, Team Brown has been desperately trying to buy the votes of the 9 Democratic Unionist MPs in the House, which could be sufficient to swing things in favour of 42-day detention. The latest news is that the Government’s offer of £200 million extra
The Blairites are making a comeback — at Conservative HQ
David Cameron really must do something about the quality of the Conservatives’ leaked documents. Once they offered delicious details of the infighting and reprisals which occupied the party for more than a decade. Yet the leaked memo which emerged last Friday simply warned that the party cannot ‘sit back and let Gordon Brown self-destruct’ and must be ‘as radical in social reform as Mrs Thatcher was in economic reform’. On first glance, utterly unnewsworthy. But on a wider level, it suggests a significant shift in ambition. Radicalism is a relatively new idea for Mr Cameron. His initial strategy was to minimise the difference with Labour, making the leap as small
Tuesday
42 Days: The View from Scotland
A heartening, very interesting – and highly unusual – intervention by the Lord Advocate: Scotland’s top prosecutor has said the case has not been made for extending the length of time terror suspects can be detained without charge to 42 days. BBC Scotland has learnt that Lord Advocate Elish Angiolini gave her opinion in a letter to the Liberal Democrat MP Alistair Carmichael. She said the change from the current 28 days was not supported by “prosecution experience to date”… “While there has been a limited number of cases in Scotland which were investigated in terms of the Terrorism Act 2000, I am not aware of any case where an
What’s the reason behind Miliband’s Israel snub?
So why has David Miliband cut his trip to the Middle East short? The plan was for him to be in Israel today, meeting with luminaries including Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, before hopping on a plane tonight to be back in time for tomorrow’s 42-day detention vote. Ben Brogan charts what actually happened: “Instead Geoff Hoon told him to come back early, ostensibly because of difficult votes today. Mr Miliband and the rest of us duly got on a dawn flight in Jerusalem. Yet there is no sign of trouble at Westminster this afternoon, prompting some jolly speculation about the reason for the rushed return.” Miliband
Should Britain join the Euro?
Should Britain join the Euro after all? Patrick Hennessy, political editor of the Sunday Telegraph, bravely asks the question over at Three Line Whip, arguing that one can no longer claim the British economy is doing better than the Eurozone’s. A provocative point, certainly, and one we’re likely to hear much more often as the consequences of Gordon Brown’s reign of error at the Treasury hit mortgage owners and shoppers. My answer is pretty simple. One cannot conceive of a way that the Euro would help us. The arguments used ten years ago by the pro Euro campaign – more jobs, lower prices, increased trade – have been proven to
Red Ken to run again
Martin Bright, whose Dispatches programme on Ken Livingstone moved a lot of the allegations against him to the forefront of the mayoral debate, reports that Ken is not done yet and plans to be the Labour candidate in 2012. Presumably, Livingstone’s thinking is that Boris will find it more difficult to get re-elected during the mid-term of a Tory government than elected during the mid-term of a Labour government. Yet judging from how things have gone so far, Boris is settling into the job rather well. Indeed, I suspect he’ll win re-election by a larger margin than he defeated Livingstone by.
If you don’t understand it, why vote for it?
In his Irish Independent column today, Kevin Myers brilliantly nails one of the most infuriating pro-European arguments: The final argument from the ‘Yes’ camp is that the ‘No’ side really doesn’t understand Lisbon. And, for once, they’re right. So why should I say ‘Yes’ to a legal document I don’t understand? My lawyer would never urge me to buy a house under such conditions. Why would we follow different rules when voting for the future of our country?
The public want a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty
Conservative Home have an exclusive sneak peek of a Daily Politics / ComRes poll on the Lisbon Treaty. Here are some of the numbers, which – to my mind – serve to further highlight how the Government has betrayed the British public on this: The ComRes survey of 1,010 UK voters finds that 64% of UK voters believe that the UK should hold a referendum and 26% think Parliament should decide. 33% say that they would vote to accept the Treaty if given the opportunity. 40% say that they would reject it. 27% don’t know.