Today, talks between David Frost and the EU's negotiator Maroš Šefčovič ended with little agreement about how to move forward on the Northern Ireland Protocol. As James Forsyth says on the podcast:
'it didn't end with either man walking out of the meeting, but you probably can't say much more for it than that.'
This is partly down to Lord Frost's negotiating style. Katy Balls points out that he's learning from the lessons of the Brexit talks of recent years:
'David Frost, who gets a lot of criticism for being very confrontational in his methods, looks back at the Brexit negotiations which he led on the UK side, and thinks that "Well it worked then, it might work now". And therefore, all these people saying his approach is wrong.